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Let's put it this way - we are not a big club and we aren't going to bite the hand that feeds us...….

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18 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Richmond taking the [censored] asking for a first rounder for Ellis

I assume they were trying to turn it into Zach Jones. Funny they are complaining, they have done better than anyone with free agency with Vickery and Lynch.

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8 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

I assume they were trying to turn it into Zach Jones. Funny they are complaining, they have done better than anyone with free agency with Vickery and Lynch.

The AFL could simply reveal the 'secret' formula they use to determine compensation.

Clubs should know what they will receive before deciding if they will match bids. etc.

I hate the way the AFL is run. 

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Putting aside the technicalities if you win two premierships in three years there is no way you should get a first round draft pick under any circumstances. The whole free agency process debases salary cap and the draft. The rich get richer and you know the rest. The Tigers getting Lynch was beyond a joke. Good luck to them but once you reach the peak there should be restrictions to bring you back to the pack. Other than Tigers who built from nothing it is why we see team like Cats; Pies; Eagles; Hawks just rotate grand finals and premierships decade after decade. You finish top 4 say two years in a row there need to be some handicapping to even the playing field.

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Richmond weren’t expecting a first round compensation pick because it was Ellis, they were expecting one because of the length and amount of the contract dictated they should have received one. 

The Eagles received an end of first round compensation pick for Lycett who’s deal to go to Port was the same as Ellis’. Geelong received also received end of first round compensation for Motlop after he accepted a 4 year 550k a season deal from Port. I’d also be asking the question that Gale did. 

The AFL’s rules on free agency compensation aren’t transparent and they like it that way so they can change it at anytime to suit their agenda. 

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On 9/25/2019 at 3:58 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Set to join Gold Coast after the GF for 5 years at 600k a season. Too good to knock back IMO, take the money and run Brandon. 

This is a good pickup by GCS and a great move by Ellis. GCS are better off targeting 4-5 mature players who can win their position on field, provide leadership on their line and help develop culture, rather than go for superstar players. 

If we consider the cost of a mature player who can break even in their position it would be around $300k. If a superstar costs $1.2 - 1.5 million a season and a player like Ellis costs $600k, then you can afford 3-4 Ellis's for the same TPP as a single superstar.

Taking this approach the GCS can use the draft to develop their own superstars or trade in once they have their culture, game style and on field performances in order. 

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2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Richmond weren’t expecting a first round compensation pick because it was Ellis, they were expecting one because of the length and amount of the contract dictated they should have received one. 

The Eagles received an end of first round compensation pick for Lycett who’s deal to go to Port was the same as Ellis’. Geelong received also received end of first round compensation for Motlop after he accepted a 4 year 550k a season deal from Port. I’d also be asking the question that Gale did. 

The AFL’s rules on free agency compensation aren’t transparent and they like it that way so they can change it at anytime to suit their agenda. 

What were Richmond offering Ellis? I think I read this is part of the 'mystery formula' and I actually think this part is very relevant. He was a restricted free agent and they chose not to match the offer.

Motlop's deal I assume would also be slightly higher than Ellis' when you take into account the annual salary increases with the changing salary cap.

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2 hours ago, Deesprate said:

You finish top 4 say two years in a row there need to be some handicapping to even the playing field.

Just bring in a rule that free agents can't go to top 4 clubs in the year they want to move.

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15 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

What were Richmond offering Ellis? I think I read this is part of the 'mystery formula' and I actually think this part is very relevant. He was a restricted free agent and they chose not to match the offer.

Motlop's deal I assume would also be slightly higher than Ellis' when you take into account the annual salary increases with the changing salary cap.

In determining compensation I didn’t think what the players original club offered/didn’t offer affected the compensation formula, perhaps it comes under the bolded part below? 

https://m.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

COMPENSATION

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

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Also worth noting AFL salaries have probably gone up since the days of Motlop and Lycett's FA compo. $600k is not unusual now for an AFL player of his experience. Might've been just enough to change the decision from end of first round to second round compo.

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On 10/6/2019 at 7:42 AM, BAMF said:

The AFL could simply reveal the 'secret' formula they use to determine compensation.

Clubs should know what they will receive before deciding if they will match bids. etc.

I hate the way the AFL is run. 

Dictatorship

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On 10/6/2019 at 9:08 AM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Richmond weren’t expecting a first round compensation pick because it was Ellis, they were expecting one because of the length and amount of the contract dictated they should have received one. 

The Eagles received an end of first round compensation pick for Lycett who’s deal to go to Port was the same as Ellis’. Geelong received also received end of first round compensation for Motlop after he accepted a 4 year 550k a season deal from Port. I’d also be asking the question that Gale did. 

The AFL’s rules on free agency compensation aren’t transparent and they like it that way so they can change it at anytime to suit their agenda. 

Sounds like the current Hong Kong

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On 10/6/2019 at 12:43 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

In determining compensation I didn’t think what the players original club offered/didn’t offer affected the compensation formula, perhaps it comes under the bolded part below? 

https://m.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

COMPENSATION

A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

Hmmmm. Interesting. I recall when the process was first introduced that the system took far more into account.

Things like:

1. Which pick was used to draft the player

2. Where the player had finished in recent BnF.

It sounded to me at the time that they were just making it up as they went along and I doubted there was a formula. I haven't changed my mind.

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On 10/6/2019 at 8:42 AM, BAMF said:

The AFL could simply reveal the 'secret' formula they use to determine compensation.

Clubs should know what they will receive before deciding if they will match bids. etc.

I hate the way the AFL is run. 

I hate it, but it also stops clubs gaming the system. Offering specific contracts to get it over the line for compo etc.

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