Demons Grand Plan for Yarra Park Training HQ

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

Who was the Greens MP that said there’s more chance of us winning a flag than this happening? I really wanted to ask him how nervous he was before the Prelim.

[Matt Demon 1,385]

Bartlett breifly touched on this at the b&f last night basically saying watch this space, he sounded fairly confident. Has anyone heard anything?

[Cards13 9,117]

#tradebreaker said it was going to happen a few weeks ago but no other info has come out. 

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Is it just me who sometimes misses the old MFC that leaked like a sieve?

Damn this club and its professional attitude to information sharing.

 

[ChaserJ 3,956]

On 9/24/2018 at 3:59 PM, MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday said:

Who was the Greens MP that said there’s more chance of us winning a flag than this happening? I really wanted to ask him how nervous he was before the Prelim.

Wasn't a Greens MP that said that (although they didn't support the notion, which is to be expected).

It was leader of the opposition, Matthew Guy, that made the statement about Melbourne FC being more likely to win a flag than get planning approval for the Yarra Park HQ.

He apparently knows a thing or two about planning approvals.

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37 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Wasn't a Greens MP that said that (although they didn't support the notion, which is to be expected).

It was leader of the opposition, Matthew Guy, that made the statement about Melbourne FC being more likely to win a flag than get planning approval for the Yarra Park HQ.

He apparently knows a thing or two about planning approvals.

Been known to change his mind though...

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

On 9/24/2018 at 1:33 PM, drdrake said:

What community benefit can you have by spending more money on Punt Rd and Geelong.  Hats off the Collingwood you drive past their facility and the general public are using it.  Even the Goshes paddock the rugby/soccer and our oval people are always using it.

One of the great things about the English language is that sometimes it can mean different things to different people. For example, for politicians, "community benefit" actually means "electoral benefit". If you read the opening sentence with that interpretation it makes perfect sense.

[drdrake 3,035]

22 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

One of the great things about the English language is that sometimes it can mean different things to different people. For example, for politicians, "community benefit" actually means "electoral benefit". If you read the opening sentence with that interpretation it makes perfect sense.

Yep, with out a great knowledge of those seats, I'm assuming Punt Rd would be a green seat at the moment and Geelong a Labor Seat under threat from Liberal

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

7 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Yep, with out a great knowledge of those seats, I'm assuming Punt Rd would be a green seat at the moment and Geelong a Labor Seat under threat from Liberal

You got it, although Geelong (the city) actually has a number of (maybe 5?) swinging seats.

[drdrake 3,035]

7 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

You got it, although Geelong (the city) actually has a number of (maybe 5?) swinging seats.

So the flip side for us we have no chance getting Yarra Park as the to major parties will be sacred to lose the Green vote

[monoccular 16,010]

On 9/24/2018 at 1:13 PM, Moonshadow said:

Where's the full stop?

That is punctuation, not spelling.  (I didn’t have that hat on at that time).

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2 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

It was leader of the opposition, Matthew Guy, that made the statement about Melbourne FC being more likely to win a flag than get planning approval for the Yarra Park HQ.

Simple. The only way to stop African gangs, and send violent crims away for long long sentences, is to build this training ground. Mr Law and Order will be on board in less time than it takes to put a sledgehammer through someone's front door.

 

2 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

He apparently knows a thing or two about planning approvals.

Good news. Now the total number of things that Mr Guy knows something about is up to One. (or Two.)

[MudDogs Gawn Win.. someday 499]

3 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Wasn't a Greens MP that said that (although they didn't support the notion, which is to be expected).

It was leader of the opposition, Matthew Guy, that made the statement about Melbourne FC being more likely to win a flag than get planning approval for the Yarra Park HQ.

He apparently knows a thing or two about planning approvals.

Mmm I was apart from the obvious. Hoping his statement would backfire after we beat Hawthorn..

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

17 hours ago, drdrake said:

So the flip side for us we have no chance getting Yarra Park as the to major parties will be sacred to lose the Green vote

I would say we have no chance of getting any State Government or Opposition support for the proposal before the State election in late November. But every chance in the 13 months after that election (ie, up until the end of 2019), whoever wins. It's in the first 13 months after an election that Victorian Governments make decisions which might prove to be unpopular or which might provoke outrage, whether widespread or from a noisy minority, and whether  that outrage is genuine or contrived. 

[ChaserJ 3,956]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I would say we have no chance of getting any State Government or Opposition support for the proposal before the State election in late November. But every chance in the 13 months after that election (ie, up until the end of 2019), whoever wins. It's in the first 13 months after an election that Victorian Governments make decisions which might prove to be unpopular or which might provoke outrage, whether widespread or from a noisy minority, and whether  that outrage is genuine or contrived. 

Fair summation.

Sometimes it doesn’t take much to sway public opinion in a short space of time.  Polling suggests that the election’s looking close enough for a major issue to tilt balance either way.

[CBDees 3,162]

21 hours ago, Matt Demon said:

Bartlett breifly touched on this at the b&f last night basically saying watch this space, he sounded fairly confident. Has anyone heard anything?

Yesterday I shared a tram with the President of the East Melbourne Group on his way to VCAT! Now he professes to be a MFC supporter (but I think that he is too tight to take out a membership) so I was happy for him to ask me what I thought about the proposed training facility. 

I am right behind this project (and have lived in East Melbourne for twice as long as he has) and I told him that I felt that it would be great for the local community as an asset and the football public.

It came as no surprise to hear that he is against it (as he is a classic NIMBY and opposes everything) so I suspect that I may have to re-enter local politics and try and prevent their opposition. Any other East Melbourne residents on Demonland happy to put together a ticket to take over the East Melbourne Group?

[Dees_In_October 3,346]

I can't remember if we knew this already, but Bartlett mentioned in his B&F speech that this had been 2 or 3 years in the planning so far.

[CBDees 3,162]

9 minutes ago, Dees_In_October said:

I can't remember if we knew this already, but Bartlett mentioned in his B&F speech that this had been 2 or 3 years in the planning so far.

It probably has and they are astute proposing the built facilities entirely on railway reservation land with no encroachment onto Yarra Park.  My view is a training oval is only replacing grassland with curated grassland and tree loss would be minimal. Even if we put a post and rail fence to define the oval, it would remain accessible to the local residents and general public, pretty much as it is now and the training times when it isn’t will be less time than when it currently is inaccessible as a car park. If it is an oval, then it will cease to be a car park so,the residents will be better off.

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24 minutes ago, CBDees said:

It probably has and they are astute proposing the built facilities entirely on railway reservation land with no encroachment onto Yarra Park.  My view is a training oval is only replacing grassland with curated grassland and tree loss would be minimal. Even if we put a post and rail fence to define the oval, it would remain accessible to the local residents and general public, pretty much as it is now and the training times when it isn’t will be less time than when it currently is inaccessible as a car park. If it is an oval, then it will cease to be a car park so,the residents will be better off.

Now you’d think all of those things = positives for that little area of Melb...

[Demon Disciple 10,896]

Now that trade week is over, what are the odds an announcement will be made on this some time before the draft to keep the Dee Army hungry and momentum going strong into the draft, then new year?

 

[old dee 22,808]

I heard PJ asked about it in the podcast last night. He did not actually answer the question. Talked  about the proposed facility and said a couple of times any building will not be in parkland. But never said what the chances were. Probably due to the political nature of getting approval. My guess 50/50. But you can guarantee there will be no decision till after state election.

[old dee 22,808]

7 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Now that trade week is over, what are the odds an announcement will be made on this some time before the draft to keep the Dee Army hungry and momentum going strong into the draft, then new year?

 

No chance till after state election.

[deebug 1,754]

I don't see how they are going have enough space, it seems way too small?

[Demon Disciple 10,896]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

No chance till after state election.

hmm, blooody politics.

[rolling fog 1,146]

The impression I got from GB's B&F speech was that they were close to securing an alternative site, not in Yarra Park. This isn't based on anything just what I read between the lines in the speech