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9 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

Except it is just words.

You expecting GB to line up at FF this week to let his actions do the talking? 

FFS how else are club admin meant to communicate 

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6 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

But given a good off season and preseason to rebuild our lists from the injured plagued start to 2019 and regain some of the confidence and beleif that has been sapped from the team this year, I do believe we can bounce back much stronger next season - if not, that's when the 'major review' will most definitely be on the cards.

Would rather do it now just to make sure we haven't missed anything & are on track for 2020...

We can't afford another lost season like this one.

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I'm in the camp that no external review was needed. 

An internal review has happened.  All are on notice to sort out whatever went wrong and as Pert said 'Mahoney will own the outcomes'.  Would be very surprised if there aren't more assistant coaching changes at seasons end - as there are in all clubs.  Hopefully, ours will be have had success in their designated areas.

The mid year coach changes have worked so far.  Rawlings has the forward line ticking nicely. 

The major change I would like to see is someone to hold the coaching department accountable and mentor Goodwin.  I'm don't think Mahoney is the one.  It shouldn't need the CEO and President to get involved and tell him to sort things out.  He is an excellent administrator but have doubts about his football nouse to confidently manage the whole football side of the business.  But I doubt he will go this year.   So the role of 'Coaching Director' might be a good outcome.

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8 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Shockingly nearly all the players didn't barrack for us and some weren't even born in this state! Gosh!

Perhaps we should get Connolly back in hey?

No, we should not get Connolly back in. Where did I say get unqualified or incapable people involved in the Club. 

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29 minutes ago, GCDee said:

You expecting GB to line up at FF this week to let his actions do the talking? 

FFS how else are club admin meant to communicate 

FFS?   Perhaps I should has said,"empty words" just for you.

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I’m not sure if I’m amused or despondent that some posters equate playing in the finals with the season still being alive. Of course playing and winning a GF is the ultimate goal, but there is plenty to play for nevertheless (including treating the rest of the year for experiment etc)

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19 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm in the camp that no external review was needed. 

An internal review has happened.  All are on notice to sort out whatever went wrong and as Pert said 'Mahoney will own the outcomes'.  Would be very surprised if there aren't more assistant coaching changes at seasons end - as there are in all clubs.  Hopefully, ours will be have had success in their designated areas.

The mid year coach changes have worked so far.  Rawlings has the forward line ticking nicely. 

The major change I would like to see is someone to hold the coaching department accountable and mentor Goodwin.  I'm don't think Mahoney is the one.  It shouldn't need the CEO and President to get involved and tell him to sort things out.  He is an excellent administrator but have doubts about his football nouse to confidently manage the whole football side of the business.  But I doubt he will go this year.   So the role of 'Coaching Director' might be a good outcome.

The mentor thing is a cop out...it doesn't work, never has.

What did Craig do to stop Neeld's self destruction?

The buck stops with the coach, by all means get the right team around him...but in the end you can take him to water but can't make him drink.

...and you don't put more people in positions and make up roles to cover for others perceived lack of abilities.

You get the right people in to do the job.

All on notice & owning outcomes...well most on here have had to wear the outcomes for many, many years now. 

Unfortunately Pert didn't get a favourable outcome after an external review at the Pies, I hope that's not effecting his judgement here.It would only be human nature if it did...

 

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I think Bartlett is correct. 

the external review will be announced around round 9 next year  

Relax guys

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10 hours ago, Smokey said:

He said they are constantly reviewing. This is Consistent with an agile framework you’d find in many businesses these days. Nothing to see here. 

And hasn't that worked well for the banks, aged care sector, the churches and 7-Eleven? Thought it worked particularly well at Boeing actually. 

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11 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

And hasn't that worked well for the banks, aged care sector, the churches and 7-Eleven? Thought it worked particularly well at Boeing actually. 

Works brilliantly in my sector and many others. It keeps people accountable for their deliverables and fully informed.

In desperate times like these, people will tend to make mountains out of molehills like this and I don't necessarily blame them. This is really a non issue if you understand current best practises in the corporate world though.

Genuine question, can you explain how an agile methodology caused problems for the businesses you mentioned? 

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8 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Works brilliantly in my sector and many others. It keeps people accountable for their deliverables and fully informed.

In desperate times like these, people will tend to make mountains out of molehills like this and I don't necessarily blame them. This is really a non issue if you understand current best practises in the corporate world though.

Genuine question, can you explain how an agile methodology caused problems for the businesses you mentioned? 

Because they don't ask the questions that give answers they prefer not to hear or pretend not to hear...

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19 minutes ago, rjay said:

Because they don't ask the questions that give answers they prefer not to hear or pretend not to hear...

My father told me long ago " don't ask a question when you don't want to hear the answer." 

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1 hour ago, Sorry kids said:

No, we should not get Connolly back in. Where did I say get unqualified or incapable people involved in the Club. 

You said that when you implied we should have Victorian, Demons-affiliated people in the key positions of our club, rather than actual qualified professionals.

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10 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

Ex FItzroy Collingwood Player     CEO

Ex SA                                                Coach

Ex  WA                                              President

Ex SA                                               GM

 Bartlett is just another employee.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Are you concerned, perhaps, that there's a lack of Victorians or former Melbourne FC people in senior positions? I'm not sure why that matters. In fact, I'm sure that it doesn't. But your last line is factually incorrect. Bartlett is not an employee. He's elected to his position. 

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They can't have an official review. What if they did and the recomendation was to sack Goodwin after we just extended his contract for an additional 3 years. That would be a bit embarrassing for all those involved.

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It equates perfectly with the notion  "nothing to see here...move along"  and we all know what that REALLY means.

Quite frankly I dont care what the club says or doesnt say...it's all fluff for this audience or that. I actually beleive NOTHING that is ever uttered by anyone to do with a football club. 

Football is not played with words...it's about action. So I will wait and watch and wonder if anything will really change.

I doubt much, unless there are actually changes. Again...that is an action...not words.

Unlike some here I have very little faith in this club of ours currently. Nothing to be concerned about...just a few icebergs..all good 

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7 minutes ago, Demon Dude said:

They can't have an official review. What if they did and the recomendation was to sack Goodwin after we just extended his contract for an additional 3 years. That would be a bit embarrassing for all those involved.

Shhhh...logic doesnt live here DD

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8 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I can totally understand why the club wouldn't want to telegraph a 'major review' at this stage.  Firstly the season isn't actually finished yet, secondly it's only been one poor season in the context of several years of steady improvement and thirdly to state up front that a 'major reiew' is on the cards would somewhat predicate the outcome and create the expectation of major changes, when perhaps major changes are not what is actually required.

What I would expect to be happening over the offseason though is the compeditive young guys on our list asking the hard questions of themselves and challenging themselves to turn things around and become that elite side we expect them to be and that they most probably expect of themselves.  I'd like to hope maybe something like that young 2007 Geelong side turnaround is possible, but pehaps that's wishful thinking and a bit clichè.  But given a good off season and preseason to rebuild our lists from the injured plagued start to 2019 and regain some of the confidence and beleif that has been sapped from the team this year, I do believe we can bounce back much stronger next season - if not, that's when the 'major review' will most definitely be on the cards.

Great post.  The club hope that this year was an event, not a trend.

Overtly, they have addressed the forward coaching in a mini-review pre-bye.  Covertly, there would be many other wholesale changes.

Many here are fixated on the Misson replacement, but I expect the rest of the pyramid to be overturned come season’s end.

Goody and Bartlett will feel the heat in 2020.  No excuses for either of them.

 

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10 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

It certainly is and makes you wonder about his judgement. I have not heard from anyone who shares his view. As you say, alarming. It also implies that if we play like that for the rest of the year we will beat much higher sides. Let us see.

IF no injuries and the game went as it was till 3 mins before 3/4 time it would have been a 10 goal thrashing!!

Then this result would have all of us inc. Glen Bartlett lauding our players mid season review and potential for 2020.

BUT let's remember C.Curnow Cripps and McKay (Docherty) were out of Blues and we had Gawn Melksham and Lever (Jetta) so Maybe 5/6 goal margin more realistic!

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We all know we've had a disastrous year,  it's been horrific and it's hard to swallow. 

I do however suspect the club is fully aware of the effect the pre season surgeries and continuous injuries throughout the year have impacted our performance.

They've totally rejigged the coaching staff in the past month and i noticed a clear change from the chaos footy we've grown accustomed to against The Blues.

I agree with Bartlett, we are always reviewing, we're acting accordingly and won't be swayed by media witch hunts. 

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

Because they don't ask the questions that give answers they prefer not to hear or pretend not to hear...

So the problem is the people, not the methodology then. 

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I for one would like to hold a review into why the review into whether to hold a review of the review, remains unreviewed. Then we should re-review that review. Followed by a players revue.

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57 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

It equates perfectly with the notion  "nothing to see here...move along"  and we all know what that REALLY means.

Quite frankly I dont care what the club says or doesnt say...it's all fluff for this audience or that. I actually beleive NOTHING that is ever uttered by anyone to do with a football club. 

Football is not played with words...it's about action. So I will wait and watch and wonder if anything will really change.

I doubt much, unless there are actually changes. Again...that is an action...not words.

Unlike some here I have very little faith in this club of ours currently. Nothing to be concerned about...just a few icebergs..all good 

A sound strategy, BB.

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12 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

It certainly is and makes you wonder about his judgement. I have not heard from anyone who shares his view. As you say, alarming. It also implies that if we play like that for the rest of the year we will beat much higher sides. Let us see.

Huh? How would this statement make you wonder about his judgment? I read it as blah blah blah whatever I need to say to let the fans know that internally we still think we’re on the right path. 

It’s not like he can come out and say “yea Jesus I would have to have paid my hard earned to watch that trash... why would anyone want to sponsor us after this season hahahahaha I’m from WA I don’t  care about this club”.

You seem to have an axe to grind against the admin of the club after your disappointing dealings with them.

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