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He said we are on top of the injury ladder and also the season is still alive.

I take it to mean expect more injuries.

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23 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He says the season is still alive. That means we need to win every game. 

Let’s all see the Mental Strength of the 2019 MFC

Reckon he is playing a straight bat there.. fair to say i reckon internally everyone knows deep down this season is cooked.

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2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Reckon he is playing a straight bat there.. fair to say i reckon internally everyone knows deep down this season is cooked.

No @dazzledavey36 , they (fd department) clearly live in a parallel universe and bull$[censored] anyone about where they REALLY think things are at.... We can all infer things eh :)

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The best (only?) good thing about this season has been the calm heads and stability the club has shown. No leaks, no finger pointing, no board meetings. It’s all been kept and dealt with internally. 

At least we can sleep easy knowing that the club is no longer operating as panicked amateurs, and I am certain we will make some off season changes to our coaching, fitness and development teams. 

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10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Wait, weren't you the one arguing about trying to win every game no matter what?

You don't even agree with yourself now. Love your passion mate, but it makes you punch blindly sometimes.

I am not disagreeing at all, I just want to see how strong the Club is beating Footscray on Saturday. 

That was my original post.

You are the one throwing wild punches mate, 

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3 minutes ago, Jaded said:

The best (only?) good thing about this season has been the calm heads and stability the club has shown. No leaks, no finger pointing, no board meetings. It’s all been kept and dealt with internally. 

At least we can sleep easy knowing that the club is no longer operating as panicked amateurs, and I am certain we will make some off season changes to our coaching, fitness and development teams. 

Havent done it since Roo's came on board...

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46 minutes ago, Smokey said:

He said they are constantly reviewing. This is Consistent with an agile framework you’d find in many businesses these days. Nothing to see here. 

Except it is just words.

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3 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Except it is just words.

Yes, words that are describing their actions...

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4 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Except it is just words.

FFS bloke - how else is he (or any human) supposed to disseminate information? 

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26 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Reckon he is playing a straight bat there.. fair to say i reckon internally everyone knows deep down this season is cooked.

Would be nice to show some fight, whilst the fight exists 

might just save a sponsorship or two....

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15 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

FFS bloke - how else is he (or any human) supposed to disseminate information? 

Barlett-    Last year was not a flash in the pan, people get emotional and panic and that is counter-productive.

Previous preliminary finals appearance    2000

Once in nineteen years. I would call that a flash in the pan.

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Agree this is a measured response to keep the media off their backs and let everyone know they are being proactive by shaking up the coaching lineup mid season and are constantly reviewing, so no need for a major blowtorch at end of season. Also acknowledges the injury toll. This is an exercise to calm the waters and show nobody is panicking. Doesn't want to give the impression everyone is running around like headless chooks and pointing the finger at each other. He is trying to sell optimism.

I only have one problem - his last statement. "In quality if you walked in and saw that game and didn't know it was 16th and 17th you would have thought they were much higher sides."

I didn't see much quality. I don't want to see Melbourne playing down at Carlton's level. The team should be so much better. Carlton were lucky to be close because of Melbourne being 3 men down and one of them being Tommy. Never want to see them close again. Just shouldn't happen.

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6 minutes ago, Dame Gaga said:

Agree this is a measured response to keep the media off their backs and let everyone know they are being proactive by shaking up the coaching lineup mid season and are constantly reviewing, so no need for a major blowtorch at end of season. Also acknowledges the injury toll. This is an exercise to calm the waters and show nobody is panicking. Doesn't want to give the impression everyone is running around like headless chooks and pointing the finger at each other. He is trying to sell optimism.

I only have one problem - his last statement. "In quality if you walked in and saw that game and didn't know it was 16th and 17th you would have thought they were much higher sides."

I didn't see much quality. I don't want to see Melbourne playing down at Carlton's level. The team should be so much better. Carlton were lucky to be close because of Melbourne being 3 men down and one of them being Tommy. Never want to see them close again. Just shouldn't happen.

Add Cripps and Curnow and it is even money.

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Lets just hope this non review gets us a better result than the non review of the Preliminary final got us...

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Just now, rjay said:

Lets just hope this non review gets us a better result than the non review of the Preliminary final got us...

I had forgotten the "non review of the prelim" but it's ok that was not us.

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"In quality if you walked in and saw that game and didn't know it was 16th and 17th you would have thought they were much higher sides."

This is a very alarming statement. 

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As usual we wait for another season.  This is the lot of an MFC supporter.  Yes we are crippled by injuries, but what will it be next year?  The best two games in the last decade were the finals I attended last year.  I wait as usual!

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Actually think he makes a lot of sense, but the usual panic merchants won't be calmed by mature leadership and a measured outlook, they demand action, any action, reasoned or not, just something so they can continue to be angry...

For those who haven't, or won't bother, to actually read the article, take note of this bit:

"We have made some mid-season changes in footy because we are reviewing all the time. We don’t need to do a big external review at the end of the year, we are constantly reviewing."

And if you think Bartlett heading down to the footy department, closely followed by major change in the coaching and fitness departments, isn't part of the above then I'm not going to bother trying to convince you tbh.

It's a positive narrative. And an important one. Erratic change is bad in terms of turmoil. It creates uncertainty and lowers morale.

That said I'd still say Goodwin has 12 months to turn things around. External reviews are extreme, EXTREME measures. But executives in any industry visiting the frontlines in down times is probably a sign of concern. If not concern then certainly a moment of "Okay..so just wtf is going on?" I've no doubt there's already been a review of the football department.

I also think his messaging about the "season still being alive" is a rather stern, definitive statement. I mean, what else is he going to say, really? But I also take it as a, "we're not putting things on ice". A lot has been invested in this team over a 5-6 year period for them to just say "Oh well, onto next year!"

Goodwin and co have a lot of ground to make up in 7 weeks. I'm not overly confident but let's see. 10 wins at this stage considering the variables would be a solid result.

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15 minutes ago, Purple77 said:

"In quality if you walked in and saw that game and didn't know it was 16th and 17th you would have thought they were much higher sides."

This is a very alarming statement. 

It certainly is and makes you wonder about his judgement. I have not heard from anyone who shares his view. As you say, alarming. It also implies that if we play like that for the rest of the year we will beat much higher sides. Let us see.

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27 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

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Ex SA                                               GM

 Bartlett is just another employee.

Shockingly nearly all the players didn't barrack for us and some weren't even born in this state! Gosh!

Perhaps we should get Connolly back in hey?

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20 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Shockingly nearly all the players didn't barrack for us and some weren't even born in this state! Gosh!

Perhaps we should get Connolly back in hey?

Dont give him air time Nev. Sorry Kids is just your typical online troll. Exactly like his mate @olisik they come on here to feed on negativity.

Absolute frauds

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What's the point of an external review if you aren't going to change the coach and footy manager? 

At the end of the day we're going with Mahoney and Goodwin and we'll back their judgement. If things don't turn around then we should get an external review that will come up with a recommendation that we move one or both of those guys on.

I agree with El Pres about the West Coast and Adelaide games, and I although his comment about 16th and 17th is wrong I agree with the bit about being 10 goals up!

Chris Scott on AFL 360 last night described a midseason coaching restructure as unprecedented. That tells me they aren't afraid to make changes.

Coaching staff has or will change.
Fitness staff has and will change.
Playing list changes will occur.

That's good enough for me.

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1 hour ago, praha said:

It's a positive narrative. And an important one. Erratic change is bad in terms of turmoil. It creates uncertainty and lowers morale.

That said I'd still say Goodwin has 12 months to turn things around. External reviews are extreme, EXTREME measures. But executives in any industry visiting the frontlines in down times is probably a sign of concern. If not concern then certainly a moment of "Okay..so just wtf is going on?" I've no doubt there's already been a review of the football department.

I also think his messaging about the "season still being alive" is a rather stern, definitive statement. I mean, what else is he going to say, really? But I also take it as a, "we're not putting things on ice". A lot has been invested in this team over a 5-6 year period for them to just say "Oh well, onto next year!"

Goodwin and co have a lot of ground to make up in 7 weeks. I'm not overly confident but let's see. 10 wins at this stage considering the variables would be a solid result.

10 wins at this stage and circumstances would be a lot more than solid, it would be a great achievement IMHO.  I'm normally pretty optimistic with our side, but I can't realistically see us winning more than 3 or 4 more games after T Mac and Hore both went down.  Even if we got to 8 or 9 wins, I think that would be a respectable result for where we are currently at.

I guess that's what Bartlett means by the season still being alive.  Finals are realistically out of the question, but IF we can finish better than expected from here and perhaps claim a few big scalps along the way, it should still stand us in pretty good stead with respects to the direction of the team next season.

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I can totally understand why the club wouldn't want to telegraph a 'major review' at this stage.  Firstly the season isn't actually finished yet, secondly it's only been one poor season in the context of several years of steady improvement and thirdly to state up front that a 'major reiew' is on the cards would somewhat predicate the outcome and create the expectation of major changes, when perhaps major changes are not what is actually required.

What I would expect to be happening over the offseason though is the compeditive young guys on our list asking the hard questions of themselves and challenging themselves to turn things around and become that elite side we expect them to be and that they most probably expect of themselves.  I'd like to hope maybe something like that young 2007 Geelong side turnaround is possible, but pehaps that's wishful thinking and a bit clichè.  But given a good off season and preseason to rebuild our lists from the injured plagued start to 2019 and regain some of the confidence and beleif that has been sapped from the team this year, I do believe we can bounce back much stronger next season - if not, that's when the 'major review' will most definitely be on the cards.

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