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5 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

We'll finish in the bottom 3 again this year so do we get a pick as well for being [censored]?

 

 

1 finals series in 20 plus years, no premiership for 55 years - a case could be made.

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Richard Linton introduced ‘indian rubber’ inner tubes into his balls in the 1860's, .....

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14 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

1 finals series in 20 plus years, no premiership for 55 years - a case could be made.

2018, 2006 and 2000 would make 3 in 20+ chook 

It's no less depressing 

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38 minutes ago, Smokey said:

2018, 2006 and 2000 would make 3 in 20+ chook 

It's no less depressing 

Poetic license 

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41 minutes ago, Smokey said:

2018, 2006 and 2000 would make 3 in 20+ chook 

It's no less depressing 

Also made finals in 2002, 2004, 2005 and 2006 if I’m not mistaken.

But yes the last decade has been nothing short of pathetic.

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The jungle drums are beating. Now my two favourite neutral and pretty sane podcasts (Footyology & Hard Ball Gets) are on board with GCS priority pick 1+2. I knew these media b/\stards would push for the PP this year of all years with Adel, us and the Saints low in the pecking order behind them.

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If the AFL wants to give assistance make it a mini draft like GWS had. That way no picks are added to the pool diluting the draft. Just bids with existing picks.

Its getting ridiculous. The other way is to give them money to hire a couple of mature gun players (non MFC players of course). They already have a list full of good young developing players. Although the first time they did this it did not work. 

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2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

The jungle drums are beating. Now my two favourite neutral and pretty sane podcasts (Footyology & Hard Ball Gets) are on board with GCS priority pick 1+2. I knew these media b/\stards would push for the PP this year of all years with Adel, us and the Saints low in the pecking order behind them.

It annoys me that any club can think a single pick, even an extra pick at no 1, can reap rewards and push them up the ladder quickly (which is what GCS need in 2020). We are a classic example of that being fools gold. Carlton too.

A sh** club run poorly needs much more than an extra draft pick.

They need they equivalent of Roos and Jackson to turn the whole club around.

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My recommendation is that GC are given 2 additional Picks before the second round commences. These 2 Picks at 19 & 20 would need to be traded for players that are no older than 28 to protect them from being stupid enough to trade for a 30 year old Bryce Gibbs etc. 

This would mean that in addition to having the first Pick in every Round, they’d get 2 quality players in the mould of a 25 yo Melksham, Hibberd who were traded for later Picks than 19 & 20. 

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So long as we bring in Brodie Kemp with our first pick, they can have as many PP’s that they want. 

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On 7/9/2019 at 3:55 PM, TGR said:

In relation to charity picks, we have done OK over the journey.

 

Compare Geelong for instance and what they have scrounged with picks above 10, and it is remarkable.  For the sake of the comp, Gold Coast deserve 2 PP's to trade with other clubs.

Geelong have done an excellent job in being competitive for the last 10-15 years. But what has been the driver of the sustained success? 

Is it the development of draft picks and getting everything out of them?

Is it off field culture? Brian Cook has been CEO for how many years? Coaches haven’t been turned over. Playing at GMHBA in a bubble?

Or is it their on field leaders and a want to play for geelong? Dangerfield, Ablett, Henderson, Smith, Stanley, Tuohy, Rohan, Dahlhaus and s.Selwood, all started at another AFL club. 

A priority pick might help in time but without the above in place clubs won’t be able to ascend the ladder and experience long term success. 

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On 7/9/2019 at 1:55 PM, TGR said:

In relation to charity picks, we have done OK over the journey.

 

Compare Geelong for instance and what they have scrounged with picks above 10, and it is remarkable.  For the sake of the comp, Gold Coast deserve 2 PP's to trade with other clubs.

Picking Ablett, Scarlett and Hawkins up in the 40s before the FS rules changed didn't hamper them either 

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40 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

My recommendation is that GC are given 2 additional Picks before the second round commences. These 2 Picks at 19 & 20 would need to be traded for players that are no older than 28 to protect them from being stupid enough to trade for a 30 year old Bryce Gibbs etc. 

This would mean that in addition to having the first Pick in every Round, they’d get 2 quality players in the mould of a 25 yo Melksham, Hibberd who were traded for later Picks than 19 & 20. 

Good in theory, but relies on players wanting to go to GC.

Melksham and Hibberd both wanted out of essendon after the drugs saga which gave essendon less bargaining power. 

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10 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

Geelong have done an excellent job in being competitive for the last 10-15 years. But what has been the driver of the sustained success? 

Is it the development of draft picks and getting everything out of them?

Is it off field culture? Brian Cook has been CEO for how many years? Coaches haven’t been turned over. Playing at GMHBA in a bubble?

Or is it their on field leaders and a want to play for geelong? Dangerfield, Ablett, Henderson, Smith, Stanley, Tuohy, Rohan, Dahlhaus and s.Selwood, all started at another AFL club

A priority pick might help in time but without the above in place clubs won’t be able to ascend the ladder and experience long term success. 

Just on a technicality...Ablett started at Geelong. (Unless you're playing the long game and talking about Ablett Sr who started at Hawthorn and from whom Geelong scored arguably the cheapest father-son deal of all time).

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17 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

Good in theory, but relies on players wanting to go to GC.

Melksham and Hibberd both wanted out of essendon after the drugs saga which gave essendon less bargaining power. 

You make a great point and I should have elaborated on that part of my Plan. To get genuinely good players there, GC would be allowed to make these 2 players a very special financial offer because only 66% of their salary would go into their Salary Cap for the life of their GC careers. 

I want to stress that this is it, no more. After this it is relocate to Tasmania or fold. 

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On 7/9/2019 at 12:04 AM, DeeSpencer said:

The Giants got more but the Suns had Ablett, had first crack at offering experienced players huge contracts and had a decent start that they completely screwed up.

Not content to lose Dixon, O'Meara, Prestia ruin and lose Bennell etc they then couldn't turn it around quick enough to keep Lynch and May. By the way they well compensated for every single one of those players. Pick 2 for Lynch, pick 6 for May, 2 top 10 picks for O'Meara, picks for Bennell who practically never played for Freo. 

They are on coach 3 and rebuild 3 and this one will work if they've got the off field stuff sorted, they don't need more draft picks they just to keep doing what they are doing.

Agreed they need their off field sorted. The AFL needs to ensure they have proper facilities not portable classrooms. They'll be right if they have the proper off field investment.

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On 7/9/2019 at 8:33 AM, Lord Travis said:

We as a club and supporters have no right no whinge about other clubs getting priority picks. We received more than anyone about a decade ago and squandered them. The Suns clearly need one and are in their right to ask for one.

Lets stop whinging and just demand the club get better instead of the pathetic effort it’s served up this year.

We have received three priority picks (Sylvia, Scully and Blease). I wouldn't say we received more than anyone, many clubs received similar assistance.

The rewriting of history is comical

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On 7/9/2019 at 1:50 PM, one_demon said:

Their problem isn't picks, it's retaining picks.  The AFL needs to help them retain players rather than throwing draft picks at the problem

Rookie contracts need to be renegotiated. 2+1+1 giving the club a 4 year contract or able to cut the player after 2 years if they draft a Lucas Cook. 2 years is rubbish. Clubs are into players from the minute they're drafted knowing they can get them in 12-24 months.

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On 7/9/2019 at 3:55 PM, TGR said:

In relation to charity picks, we have done OK over the journey.

 

Compare Geelong for instance and what they have scrounged with picks above 10, and it is remarkable.  For the sake of the comp, Gold Coast deserve 2 PP's to trade with other clubs.

They also got plenty of cheap father son picks they did ok with.

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They also got plenty of cheap father son picks they did ok with.

TGR is not good with facts or perspective

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In 2013, Dees won 2 games and had a percentage of 54%. Hadn’t played in finals for 7 years.  But we got no priority pick!! 

Suns are expansion club so they do need help.  

Smart decision is to give them two priority picks at the end of round 1.  One must be used and one to be traded for a single player.  That way they should get 3 picks in the top 20 plus a very good player.  Of course they also can offer big $$$ to a free agent. 

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If the AFL really wanted to improve GCS's playing list, they'd give them a big wad of cash and increase their SC by $5mill. Then grant them the same ability to poach out of contract stars as was done when the Suns were set up.

But their woes are far greater than just their playing list.

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Dew gets it:

"The priority pick is not the answer, flat out.  "Like every other club you've got to work as hard as you can, you've got to improve your list through draft and trade, that's the answer".  laughing-crows-leave-a-bad-taste-in-dews-mouth

Brave coach to say that after his Chairman was so OTT about demanding a pp.  Dew knows what a successful club looks like:  premiership player at Port and Hawks and understudy to Longmire. 

The AFL need to talk to Stewie to see what he wants and the club really need.

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2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Dew gets it:

"The priority pick is not the answer, flat out.  "Like every other club you've got to work as hard as you can, you've got to improve your list through draft and trade, that's the answer".  laughing-crows-leave-a-bad-taste-in-dews-mouth

Brave coach to say that after his Chairman was so OTT about demanding a pp.  Dew knows what a successful club looks like:  premiership player at Port and Hawks and understudy to Longmire. 

The AFL need to talk to Stewie to see what he wants and the club really need.

Any extra pick at the top end can never hurt though ... not sure that Dew is doing the right thing by his club regardless of whether he is right or not.

I agee that the messiah attitude with a top end pick is not the answer but again,  you take what you can get in this league. 

In more recent times we angled at a high-end pick with the Frawley compensation.  Managed to win just the 4 games in 2014 which enabled us to end up with picks 2 & 3 in the draft. 

And I'm a sceptic with regards to the draft ... the more picks the better rather than placing an absolute value on any given pick.  Weight of numbers (so to speak) ... and that's not foolproof either.

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18 minutes ago, Macca said:

Any extra pick at the top end can never hurt though ... not sure that Dew is doing the right thing by his club regardless of whether he is right or not.

I ageee that the messiah attitude with a top end pick is not the answer but again,  you take what you can get in this league. 

In more recent times we angled at a high-end pick with the Frawley compensation.  Managed to win just the 4 games in 2014 which enabled us to end up with picks 2 & 3 in the draft. 

And I'm a sceptic with regards to the draft ... the more picks the better rather than placing an absolute value on any given pick.  Weight in numbers (so to speak) ... and that's not foolproof either.

Agreed. 

GCS have had plenty of top picks in the last few years:  In 2016: picks 4, 7, 9, 10.  In 2018: picks 2, 3, 6.  ie 7 top 10 picks in a 24 month period.  Those players are still developing and some will be elite, if they keep them. 

Cochrane goes on about the mistakes in the early years.  But he has nothing to Crow about.  He has been there for 6 years and overseen the appointment of Eade and Dew.  He grandstands, breathes fire and brimstone and cries poor but not much apparent positive impact.

They really need help and a new Chairman might be a good start. The AFL put in Mark Evans as CEO but he isn't having much impact either but needs time.  They also need to put people and resources into development, medical, rehab etc.  It is the only feasible option.

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