Jump to content

Sign in to follow this  
olisik

Priority picks

Recommended Posts

5 minutes ago, Dee Watcher said:

We'll finish in the bottom 3 again this year so do we get a pick as well for being [censored]?

 

 

1 finals series in 20 plus years, no premiership for 55 years - a case could be made.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Richard Linton introduced ‘indian rubber’ inner tubes into his balls in the 1860's, .....

ouch!

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
14 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

1 finals series in 20 plus years, no premiership for 55 years - a case could be made.

2018, 2006 and 2000 would make 3 in 20+ chook 

It's no less depressing 

Edited by Smokey

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Smokey said:

2018, 2006 and 2000 would make 3 in 20+ chook 

It's no less depressing 

Poetic license 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
41 minutes ago, Smokey said:

2018, 2006 and 2000 would make 3 in 20+ chook 

It's no less depressing 

Also made finals in 2002, 2004, 2005 and 2006 if I’m not mistaken.

But yes the last decade has been nothing short of pathetic.

Edited by Lord Travis

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

The jungle drums are beating. Now my two favourite neutral and pretty sane podcasts (Footyology & Hard Ball Gets) are on board with GCS priority pick 1+2. I knew these media b/\stards would push for the PP this year of all years with Adel, us and the Saints low in the pecking order behind them.

Edited by John Demonic

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the AFL wants to give assistance make it a mini draft like GWS had. That way no picks are added to the pool diluting the draft. Just bids with existing picks.

Its getting ridiculous. The other way is to give them money to hire a couple of mature gun players (non MFC players of course). They already have a list full of good young developing players. Although the first time they did this it did not work. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, John Demonic said:

The jungle drums are beating. Now my two favourite neutral and pretty sane podcasts (Footyology & Hard Ball Gets) are on board with GCS priority pick 1+2. I knew these media b/\stards would push for the PP this year of all years with Adel, us and the Saints low in the pecking order behind them.

It annoys me that any club can think a single pick, even an extra pick at no 1, can reap rewards and push them up the ladder quickly (which is what GCS need in 2020). We are a classic example of that being fools gold. Carlton too.

A sh** club run poorly needs much more than an extra draft pick.

They need they equivalent of Roos and Jackson to turn the whole club around.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My recommendation is that GC are given 2 additional Picks before the second round commences. These 2 Picks at 19 & 20 would need to be traded for players that are no older than 28 to protect them from being stupid enough to trade for a 30 year old Bryce Gibbs etc. 

This would mean that in addition to having the first Pick in every Round, they’d get 2 quality players in the mould of a 25 yo Melksham, Hibberd who were traded for later Picks than 19 & 20. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So long as we bring in Brodie Kemp with our first pick, they can have as many PP’s that they want. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On 7/9/2019 at 3:55 PM, TGR said:

In relation to charity picks, we have done OK over the journey.

 

Compare Geelong for instance and what they have scrounged with picks above 10, and it is remarkable.  For the sake of the comp, Gold Coast deserve 2 PP's to trade with other clubs.

Geelong have done an excellent job in being competitive for the last 10-15 years. But what has been the driver of the sustained success? 

Is it the development of draft picks and getting everything out of them?

Is it off field culture? Brian Cook has been CEO for how many years? Coaches haven’t been turned over. Playing at GMHBA in a bubble?

Or is it their on field leaders and a want to play for geelong? Dangerfield, Ablett, Henderson, Smith, Stanley, Tuohy, Rohan, Dahlhaus and s.Selwood, all started at another AFL club. 

A priority pick might help in time but without the above in place clubs won’t be able to ascend the ladder and experience long term success. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/9/2019 at 1:55 PM, TGR said:

In relation to charity picks, we have done OK over the journey.

 

Compare Geelong for instance and what they have scrounged with picks above 10, and it is remarkable.  For the sake of the comp, Gold Coast deserve 2 PP's to trade with other clubs.

Picking Ablett, Scarlett and Hawkins up in the 40s before the FS rules changed didn't hamper them either 

  • Like 9
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

My recommendation is that GC are given 2 additional Picks before the second round commences. These 2 Picks at 19 & 20 would need to be traded for players that are no older than 28 to protect them from being stupid enough to trade for a 30 year old Bryce Gibbs etc. 

This would mean that in addition to having the first Pick in every Round, they’d get 2 quality players in the mould of a 25 yo Melksham, Hibberd who were traded for later Picks than 19 & 20. 

Good in theory, but relies on players wanting to go to GC.

Melksham and Hibberd both wanted out of essendon after the drugs saga which gave essendon less bargaining power. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

Geelong have done an excellent job in being competitive for the last 10-15 years. But what has been the driver of the sustained success? 

Is it the development of draft picks and getting everything out of them?

Is it off field culture? Brian Cook has been CEO for how many years? Coaches haven’t been turned over. Playing at GMHBA in a bubble?

Or is it their on field leaders and a want to play for geelong? Dangerfield, Ablett, Henderson, Smith, Stanley, Tuohy, Rohan, Dahlhaus and s.Selwood, all started at another AFL club

A priority pick might help in time but without the above in place clubs won’t be able to ascend the ladder and experience long term success. 

Just on a technicality...Ablett started at Geelong. (Unless you're playing the long game and talking about Ablett Sr who started at Hawthorn and from whom Geelong scored arguably the cheapest father-son deal of all time).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, Gunna’s said:

Good in theory, but relies on players wanting to go to GC.

Melksham and Hibberd both wanted out of essendon after the drugs saga which gave essendon less bargaining power. 

You make a great point and I should have elaborated on that part of my Plan. To get genuinely good players there, GC would be allowed to make these 2 players a very special financial offer because only 66% of their salary would go into their Salary Cap for the life of their GC careers. 

I want to stress that this is it, no more. After this it is relocate to Tasmania or fold. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On 7/9/2019 at 12:04 AM, DeeSpencer said:

The Giants got more but the Suns had Ablett, had first crack at offering experienced players huge contracts and had a decent start that they completely screwed up.

Not content to lose Dixon, O'Meara, Prestia ruin and lose Bennell etc they then couldn't turn it around quick enough to keep Lynch and May. By the way they well compensated for every single one of those players. Pick 2 for Lynch, pick 6 for May, 2 top 10 picks for O'Meara, picks for Bennell who practically never played for Freo. 

They are on coach 3 and rebuild 3 and this one will work if they've got the off field stuff sorted, they don't need more draft picks they just to keep doing what they are doing.

Agreed they need their off field sorted. The AFL needs to ensure they have proper facilities not portable classrooms. They'll be right if they have the proper off field investment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/9/2019 at 8:33 AM, Lord Travis said:

We as a club and supporters have no right no whinge about other clubs getting priority picks. We received more than anyone about a decade ago and squandered them. The Suns clearly need one and are in their right to ask for one.

Lets stop whinging and just demand the club get better instead of the pathetic effort it’s served up this year.

We have received three priority picks (Sylvia, Scully and Blease). I wouldn't say we received more than anyone, many clubs received similar assistance.

The rewriting of history is comical

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/9/2019 at 1:50 PM, one_demon said:

Their problem isn't picks, it's retaining picks.  The AFL needs to help them retain players rather than throwing draft picks at the problem

Rookie contracts need to be renegotiated. 2+1+1 giving the club a 4 year contract or able to cut the player after 2 years if they draft a Lucas Cook. 2 years is rubbish. Clubs are into players from the minute they're drafted knowing they can get them in 12-24 months.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/9/2019 at 3:55 PM, TGR said:

In relation to charity picks, we have done OK over the journey.

 

Compare Geelong for instance and what they have scrounged with picks above 10, and it is remarkable.  For the sake of the comp, Gold Coast deserve 2 PP's to trade with other clubs.

They also got plenty of cheap father son picks they did ok with.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

They also got plenty of cheap father son picks they did ok with.

TGR is not good with facts or perspective

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In 2013, Dees won 2 games and had a percentage of 54%. Hadn’t played in finals for 7 years.  But we got no priority pick!! 

Suns are expansion club so they do need help.  

Smart decision is to give them two priority picks at the end of round 1.  One must be used and one to be traded for a single player.  That way they should get 3 picks in the top 20 plus a very good player.  Of course they also can offer big $$$ to a free agent. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If the AFL really wanted to improve GCS's playing list, they'd give them a big wad of cash and increase their SC by $5mill. Then grant them the same ability to poach out of contract stars as was done when the Suns were set up.

But their woes are far greater than just their playing list.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dew gets it:

"The priority pick is not the answer, flat out.  "Like every other club you've got to work as hard as you can, you've got to improve your list through draft and trade, that's the answer".  laughing-crows-leave-a-bad-taste-in-dews-mouth

Brave coach to say that after his Chairman was so OTT about demanding a pp.  Dew knows what a successful club looks like:  premiership player at Port and Hawks and understudy to Longmire. 

The AFL need to talk to Stewie to see what he wants and the club really need.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Dew gets it:

"The priority pick is not the answer, flat out.  "Like every other club you've got to work as hard as you can, you've got to improve your list through draft and trade, that's the answer".  laughing-crows-leave-a-bad-taste-in-dews-mouth

Brave coach to say that after his Chairman was so OTT about demanding a pp.  Dew knows what a successful club looks like:  premiership player at Port and Hawks and understudy to Longmire. 

The AFL need to talk to Stewie to see what he wants and the club really need.

Any extra pick at the top end can never hurt though ... not sure that Dew is doing the right thing by his club regardless of whether he is right or not.

I agee that the messiah attitude with a top end pick is not the answer but again,  you take what you can get in this league. 

In more recent times we angled at a high-end pick with the Frawley compensation.  Managed to win just the 4 games in 2014 which enabled us to end up with picks 2 & 3 in the draft. 

And I'm a sceptic with regards to the draft ... the more picks the better rather than placing an absolute value on any given pick.  Weight of numbers (so to speak) ... and that's not foolproof either.

Edited by Macca
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
18 minutes ago, Macca said:

Any extra pick at the top end can never hurt though ... not sure that Dew is doing the right thing by his club regardless of whether he is right or not.

I ageee that the messiah attitude with a top end pick is not the answer but again,  you take what you can get in this league. 

In more recent times we angled at a high-end pick with the Frawley compensation.  Managed to win just the 4 games in 2014 which enabled us to end up with picks 2 & 3 in the draft. 

And I'm a sceptic with regards to the draft ... the more picks the better rather than placing an absolute value on any given pick.  Weight in numbers (so to speak) ... and that's not foolproof either.

Agreed. 

GCS have had plenty of top picks in the last few years:  In 2016: picks 4, 7, 9, 10.  In 2018: picks 2, 3, 6.  ie 7 top 10 picks in a 24 month period.  Those players are still developing and some will be elite, if they keep them. 

Cochrane goes on about the mistakes in the early years.  But he has nothing to Crow about.  He has been there for 6 years and overseen the appointment of Eade and Dew.  He grandstands, breathes fire and brimstone and cries poor but not much apparent positive impact.

They really need help and a new Chairman might be a good start. The AFL put in Mark Evans as CEO but he isn't having much impact either but needs time.  They also need to put people and resources into development, medical, rehab etc.  It is the only feasible option.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    RED AND BLUEPRINT 2019 by Whispering Jack

    The rusty red of the McDonnell Ranges and the blue skies above them provided the perfect backdrop that summed up everything about the Melbourne Football Club’s 2019 season. It set out the perfect red and blueprint for the club’s horror year. The club’s previous season was one of great promise but it ended in a calamitous way in Perth with an 11 goal defeat at the hands of the ultimate premiership side, the West Coast Eagles in a game where the Demons’ first goal came early in the third quar

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    WINDY DAY FOOTY by KC from Casey

    Windy day footy has always been the domain of those who play the game hard: on days when the breeze gusts all over the place and the ground has been sodden by recent rains, the player needs to get all aspects of his game together and be hard of body and mind, to concentrate and attack the football. The Casey Demons came out on their own deck in such conditions and under a mainly sunny sky and gave it a crack for half a game but they lost sight of the fundamentals of playing hard in difficul

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    TRECIMATED by George on the Outer

    A little more than two months have passed since Melbourne met and came close to beating the reigning premier West Coast in the preliminary final replay over in the West. At the time, the Demons had three wins on the board and now, nine rounds later and going into this week’s match, they have managed to add a paltry two more wins to the ledger.  The Eagles, in contrast, have moved to within percentage of second spot on the ladder despite their loss at home this week against Collingwood. Whil

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    SAME STORY, DIFFERENT SONG by George on the Outer

    Melbourne was still suffering from the same old story - a lack of AFL capable players from which to choose at the selection table - and the Western Bulldogs got to sing their song again. But wait, that wasn’t the Doggie’s song we’ve been hearing for the last 30 years, it was some other concoction and no-one knew the words to it but whatever it was, they got to mumble it with gusto after a huge 8 point win! The sad thing is that the Bulldogs (or Footscray or whatever they choose to call

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    DOGGED by KC from Casey

    On Sunday, the Casey Demons met the Footscray VFL under the roof at the same venue where their nemesis took them down in the 2017 grand final and the result left them with the same feeling of disappointment - this time with a seven point defeat that ended the club’s four game winning streak and made things a lot harder in terms of playing in this year’s final series.   And, as has so often happened this year, the Demons let the game get away from them with but failing to take advantage of th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    BARKING MAD by The Oracle

    There was so much hype proliferating about Melbourne’s prospects for season 2019 a mere four months ago, that one could be forgiven for thinking anyone contemplating the prospect of a bottom four finish for the Demons at the time was barking mad. That however, is the prospect that they face at the moment and a loss to the Bulldogs on Sunday would make it a virtual certainty.  The club’s downward spiral after several years of moving steadily on an upward trajectory has been well documented i

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE MELBOURNE WAY by George on the Outer

    Much has been made by the coaching staff of playing a “Melbourne way” style of play. The nail-biting finish by the Demons in the dying minute of the game could not have been any more the case in point.   Leading by a game-high 38 points late in the third quarter, and by five goals at the final change, this should have been the catalyst for a romp home to an easy win.   But that is not the “Melbourne way” and the supporters, especially those with a severe case of MFCSS (aka intense inse

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    PINK AND BLUE CAN’T KICK TRUE by KC from Casey

    The Casey Demons took on the Northern Blues at home on Saturday  in a game that was crucial in terms of their hopes for September and they took away the valuable four points on offer after some worrying moments. Most of those worries were self-inflicted as a result of some shocking inaccuracy in front of goal, sloppiness in play and a little bit of indiscipline that all combined to make the game a lot closer than it should have been. The final scoreboard showed the Demons winning the P

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    GO FIGURE by Sam the Stats Man

    In May last year, a rampant Melbourne side demolished Carlton by 109 points at the MCG. The Demons did as they pleased and ran rings against a young, abysmal Blues combination. The Dees led in virtually every key performance indicator, notably entering the inside 50 metre mark 63 times to 33 and the superiority of their attack was highlighted by a 74% shooting accuracy rate (to 47%).  A little more than a year later the two sides face each other for the first time since that rout and the ta

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews 1

    GORN AT THE GABBA by George on The Outer

    With Melbourne leading the Brisbane Lions in the second term, and the game in the balance, a Max Gawn ankle injury signalled that the Demons were as good as gorrnnn for the match. Without a suitable 2nd ruck and (once again) forced to use either Tom McDonald, Tim Smith or Sam Weidemann in the ruck the Demons found themselves without a forward line that could kick a winning score. Not that anything really changed, as the forward line has been completely dysfunctional all season and one

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    GAMBIT by KC from Casey

    The opening gambit of Saturday afternoon’s game told us everything about who would be its main players and who would come out on top. The Casey Demons were eager to turn the tables on the Box Hill Hawks who beat them in last year’s grand final and then gave them a first up mauling at City Oval, Box Hill. Kicking with the aid of a strong breeze in the opening term, Braydon Preuss’ first hit out went straight to the diminutive Jay Kennedy Harris who pounced with a 70 metre shot at goal that sailed

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    MURDER BY NUMBERS by Sam the Stats Man

    The respective ladder positions of this week’s combatants tell the story of one side on the rise and the other in steep decline. Since their most recent meeting which took place early last year, the Dees and the Lions have changed positions. They are opposed to each again on the former’s home turf with the locals in fine fettle after blowing St Kilda off the park at Marvel Stadium.  The Lions’ home ground advantage has been a major consideration so far this year. They have won five out of s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

×
×
  • Create New...