CHANGES: Rd 16 vs Carlton

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Just doesn't seem worth going around in circles with other Dees fans on the internet after today, so started thinking about this instead.

OUT: T.Smith, Weid, Petty

IN: Lewis, JKH, Preuss

Time to tip the balance away from so many talls IMO. Still find it strange Goody is seemingly so obsessed with 3 talls at each end when we struggle so much for run, pressure and ground balls.

 

[rolling fog 1,146]

4 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Just doesn't seem worth going around in circles with other Dees fans on the internet after today, so started thinking about this instead.

OUT: T.Smith, Weid, Petty

IN: Lewis, JKH, Preuss

Time to tip the balance away from so many talls IMO. Still find it strange Goody is seemingly so obsessed with 3 talls at each end when we struggle so much for run, pressure and ground balls.

 

Would need to be convinced on Lewis and JKH, but Preuss must come in now. I know Lewis has been bringing his own footy at VFL level but whenever I see him try to gather the loose ball across half back I still get chills.

T.Smith and Petty out, but I just think we need to keep playing Weid.

*SIGH* if both sides perform as they've done today then this one doesn't bear thinking about!

 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Just now, rolling fog said:

Would need to be convinced on Lewis and JKH, but Preuss must come in now. I know Lewis has been bringing his own footy at VFL level but whenever I see him try to gather the loose ball across half back I still get chills.

T.Smith and Petty out, but I just think we need to keep playing Weid.

*SIGH* if both sides perform as they've done today then this one doesn't bear thinking about!

 

I'm not super passionate about those changes, just trying to think of how to re-jig things while rewarding form. The players out there today just looked to 'comfortable', like they know their spots are safe and the season is done and they don't have to go as hard.

I'd actually be keen on playing Lewis more forward where his ball use going inside 50 could provide a good example. Potentially could play JKH at HB in that scenario. Also wouldn't mind C.Wagner or Dunkley getting a look in at this stage.

 

[Nelo 813]

In pick 2, out pick 3. 

[pineapple dee 2,892]

Give the guy who turned the ball over meekly with three consecutive possessions a rest. And also the two forwards who put no contact on an opponent with the ball,who strolled around them as if they were witches hats. Anyone else who doesn't think getting the pill in a contest is the most important thing, but rather just trying to out body an opponent who would die to get it. They need a rest too

Does that leave anyone in the team.

[whatwhat say what 18,881]

it all depends on how gawn comes up, but like everyone i'd like see preuss get a go again either way, probably at the expense of tim smith

baker has had a good run of afl footy in a row but looked stuffed today; jkh in to play that defensive hard-running wingman role

lever in for petty seems a given, pending fitness

in some respects i'd like to see someone come in for hannan, but i don't know if bedford is ready / there's anyone else actually available; i get the impression that we're again beset by so many injuries that there's not much in reserve to call upon

IN: Lever, Preuss, JKH
OUT: Gawn / Tim Smith, Baker, Petty

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Right, it's time to ratchet up the rhetoric. How does the witches hat with legs known as Weideman keep getting a game?

What kind of show are we running here? Are we for real?

I've not seen a player contribute less over 10 AFL games in 35 years of watching the sport.

Not hyperbole. That's the truth.

Do something FD. Now!

Edited June 30, 2019 by Matsuo Basho

[Lord Nev 13,511]

5 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Right, it's time to ratchet up the rhetoric. How does the witches hat with legs known as Weideman keep getting a game?

What kind of show are we running here? Are we for real?

I've not seen a player contribute less over 10 AFL games in 35 years of watching the sport.

Not hyperbole. That's the truth.

Do something FD. Now!

Feel free to contribute something on topic mate. Some of us are still keen to talk footy and ways forward rather than self-pleasure ourselves with hyperbole and rhetoric.

 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Feel free to contribute something on topic mate. Some of us are still keen to talk footy and ways forward rather than self-pleasure ourselves with hyperbole and rhetoric.

 

Pleading for Weideman to be dropped in a 'changes' thread is on topic. I'm glad you agree.

But JKH? Please.

Please.

[chook fowler 18,204]

In Lever, JKH and Preuss

Out Petty, Smith and ANB

[spirit of norm smith 12,886]

4 hours ago, chook fowler said:

In Lever, JKH and Preuss

Out Petty, Smith and ANB

Yes absolutely. Anb was running around but had no impact whatsoever.  Is he a midfielder or a half/small forward.  Neither on yesterday’s effort. 

[jumbo returns 6,486]

Anyone for Petty, ANB and Hannan 

[Adzman 2,085]

We need to be planning for season 2020 and that begins by avoiding the temptation of playing your Lewis, Smith, Maynard, J Wagner types who should not be on the list next season.

Preuss has to come in. I don't care where he plays, we need to find out if this guy can cut it and he needs a 5-6 week stint in the 1s to give us an idea of where he fits in 2020. 

JKH is in the same boat. Has been teetering on the edge of retaining/delisting for a few seasons now. His VFL form suggests one last stint before a decision is made in his future.

Bitter pill to swallow but Petty and Weid will probably get gifted more games even though their form doesn't warrant it. Lever probably gets wrapped in cotton wool so Petty has a role to play.

Also, it's time to stop rolling out guys under an injury cloud. In pains me to watch Hibbo at the moment. Never have I seen a guy in such need to rest and recovery. 

Out: Smith, Hibbo (needs a few weeks to heal)

In: Preuss, JKH

[Demons11 6,404]

Please don’t put JKH in.   The bloke is good VFL player and not hard enough for AFL.

Tim Smith had a quiet day yesterday but kicked 3.3 against Freo, so he stays in. 

Bris look a good side and they killed us around the ball.  The backs and fwds  weren’t our issue yesterday.

Everyone keeps banging on about Preuss but I don’t see that he is dominating VFL and only hear that he is not fit enough to run out a game.  They are developing him as a young ruck, so let him do that in the 2’s and set him up for a big pre season to improve his fitness and get more opportunities next year. 

Edited June 30, 2019 by Demons11

[Kent 2,579]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes absolutely. Anb was running around but had no impact whatsoever.  Is he a midfielder or a half/small forward.  Neither on yesterday’s effort. 

Never has been. VFL standard  with the worst disposal under pressure I have seen. You are right he runs around a lot really well.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

30 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Please don’t put JKH in.   The bloke is good VFL player and not hard enough for AFL.

Tim Smith had a quiet day yesterday but kicked 3.3 against Freo, so he stays in. 

Bris look a good side and they killed us around the ball.  The backs and fwds  weren’t our issue yesterday.

Everyone keeps banging on about Preuss but I don’t see that he is dominating VFL and only hear that he is not fit enough to run out a game.  They are developing him as a young ruck, so let him do that in the 2’s and set him up for a big pre season to improve his fitness and get more opportunities next year. 

I get where you're coming from with JKH, but my reasoning is this:

- The season is done. He's out of contract and has form so it's worth giving him the same chance now that Hannan and ANB have had over the last month (seeing he's earned it with VFL performance).

- Still have to reward form and hunger. He had a ripper game for Casey, really wanted it, and when you compare that to a lot of our mids at senior level yesterday that at least would be an upgrade in attitude and effort.

Probably fair comment on Smith. I do like his effort generally, just think we need to adjust our balance of talls at either end somehow.

I'm actually exactly the same about Preuss. I've resisted calling for him to come in due to his lack of a tank, but at the very least Max will be sore (he could very well miss) so it seems a good time to bring him in for another taste. If we adjust that balance of smalls then we can hopefully minimize the impact of his lack of run in the second half.

My main problem with yesterday was hunger and intent. The second half was as bad as I've seen in a long time in that regard, and I just fell like a bit of a wake up call for some of the 'cruisers' could be helpful.

 

[chook fowler 18,204]

16 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I get where you're coming from with JKH, but my reasoning is this:

- The season is done. He's out of contract and has form so it's worth giving him the same chance now that Hannan and ANB have had over the last month (seeing he's earned it with VFL performance).

- Still have to reward form and hunger. He had a ripper game for Casey, really wanted it, and when you compare that to a lot of our mids at senior level yesterday that at least would be an upgrade in attitude and effort.

Probably fair comment on Smith. I do like his effort generally, just think we need to adjust our balance of talls at either end somehow.

I'm actually exactly the same about Preuss. I've resisted calling for him to come in due to his lack of a tank, but at the very least Max will be sore (he could very well miss) so it seems a good time to bring him in for another taste. If we adjust that balance of smalls then we can hopefully minimize the impact of his lack of run in the second half.

My main problem with yesterday was hunger and intent. The second half was as bad as I've seen in a long time in that regard, and I just fell like a bit of a wake up call for some of the 'cruisers' could be helpful.

 

Absolutely agree re JKH - he has to be rewarded for form and effort. He is also hitting the score board which has been a weakness. From reports Preuss ran out the game better on saturday and had a monster 65 hitouts. I cant believe Max will be 100% by next week so will need support. Hibberd is a worry - a shadow of his former self.

[ErmieJones 63]

Lever will come in for Petty, I like Petty, beaten by a better player yesterday and like most of our defence needs to clean up his kicking. However I think we've got a good player for the future.

I'd also bring in JKH for either Hannan or Baker.

The only other player I'd consider bringing in is Jordan Lewis. Just not sure where I'd play him.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

14 minutes ago, ErmieJones said:

Lever will come in for Petty, I like Petty, beaten by a better player yesterday and like most of our defence needs to clean up his kicking. However I think we've got a good player for the future.

I'd also bring in JKH for either Hannan or Baker.

The only other player I'd consider bringing in is Jordan Lewis. Just not sure where I'd play him.

Yeah Petty got done badly, but I'm glad Goody left him on Hipwood for so long, best way to learn. He'll go out this week because Carlton have lost Curnow so we won't need as many true talls. Lever in if fit.

Hore looks like he needs a rest, but I'd love to see how he goes with Lever, I'd also be reluctant to take Hibberd out because we need to give our key backs as much time together as possible.

For me it'd be: Lever, Preuss and JHK for Petty, T.Smith and Baker. 

[drdrake 3,037]

Lever if Fit comes in for Petty

Chandler or Bedford for ANB, lets face it ANB offers nothing add some kids that add a bit of speed to our forward line

JKH for Hannan

Lewis for Brayshaw move Jones back midfield and Lewis down back, Brayshaw has been woeful

Pruess for Smith at least Pruess will ruck and offer something

Edited June 30, 2019 by drdrake

[buck_nekkid 5,465]

JKH should be in, on weight of his performance but also because he might just add a different dimension to our midfield, which looks one dimensional and flat ATM.  Hannan and ANB were ghosts, so should be sent back to Casey, which means maybe C Wagner gets a go.  Preuss to come in for either Max or as a support if he is less than 80%.  Lever a straight in, probably for Petty.

We also had a problem that everyone flew for stuff and no one stayed down to balls inside 50.  Maybe start giving Bedford or chandler a sniff of seniors.  

The conditions after half time looked super slippery (T macs spilled mark for example), but we simply have to be more composed with the ball.  Too many headless chook moments.

I would leave Baker and Lockhart in, both did well (Baker caught a few times, going to happen to a first year player). T Smith will depend on Preuss.

Weids  - when a guy can slot it that nicely from outside 50, we simply have to find more ways to get him into the game.  I think the current gameplan diminishes his chances, and as we fix up how we go inside 50, he might just surprise us.

[ErmieJones 63]

Are people forgetting what Tim Smith has done in his last couple of games?

He should've kicked 5 against Freo on Luke Ryan (poor kicking cost him)

Admittedly he wasn't very good on the weekend but I'd be keeping him in. We can't have T-Mac, Weids and Preuss in the same team I don't think. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, ErmieJones said:

Are people forgetting what Tim Smith has done in his last couple of games?

He should've kicked 5 against Freo on Luke Ryan (poor kicking cost him)

Admittedly he wasn't very good on the weekend but I'd be keeping him in. We can't have T-Mac, Weids and Preuss in the same team I don't think. 

I actually would have both Smith and Weid coming out. Agree Smith hasn't been bad as such, just think we need to get back to 2 talls rather than 3 to try and lift the ground ball rate and open up the 50 a bit. For mine, I think TMac is more mobile than Smith so it makes more sense that he would balance out Preuss.

 

[ErmieJones 63]

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I actually would have both Smith and Weid coming out. Agree Smith hasn't been bad as such, just think we need to get back to 2 talls rather than 3 to try and lift the ground ball rate and open up the 50 a bit. For mine, I think TMac is more mobile than Smith so it makes more sense that he would balance out Preuss.

 

Interesting take, I respectfully disagree. However I completely get what your saying. I'm happy for them to keep tinkering with the forward line until they find something that works. interested to see what they do. Preuss might even have to come in for Gawn depending on his ankle.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

9 minutes ago, ErmieJones said:

Are people forgetting what Tim Smith has done in his last couple of games?

He should've kicked 5 against Freo on Luke Ryan (poor kicking cost him)

Admittedly he wasn't very good on the weekend but I'd be keeping him in. We can't have T-Mac, Weids and Preuss in the same team I don't think. 

He's played 1 good game this year, followed up by a terrible game. Given he's 28 and out of contract means he has to make every post a winner and he was really terrible yesterday. I'd prefer Preuss because we need to see what he can do, and I'd be leaving Weid in because he got a longer career with us.