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Loved how he talked about his appreciation of Weideman's game on the weekend. Shows that coaches look at more than stats when judging the effectiveness of how a player played their role in making the system work.

 

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8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Loved how he talked about his appreciation of Weideman's game on the weekend. Shows that coaches look at more than stats when judging the effectiveness of how a player played their role in making the system work.

 

Oh didn't you know LN? Apparently he had a poor game, was just "filling out a jumper" and "isn't earning his place"

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28 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Shows that coaches look at more than stats when judging the effectiveness of how a player played their role in making the system work.

That wouldn't be because they know more about the game than the supporters would it?

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“Sam Weideman’s game shouldn’t be underestimated. It’s probably one of the better six possession games I’ve seen from a key forward,” Goodwin said.

😂😂😂 Lolz.

Nice one Goody. Realise you’ve got to go into bat for your boy but that’s pushing the barrow a bit far, innit! 

Meanwhile over at Les Blues Chucky Curnow is leaping over tall buildings in a single bound, roosting seven and pumping double cobras to the crowd. 

I hope Weid makes it but let’s keep it real Demonlanders.

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5 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

“Sam Weideman’s game shouldn’t be underestimated. It’s probably one of the better six possession games I’ve seen from a key forward,” Goodwin said.

😂😂😂 Lolz.

Nice one Goody. Realise you’ve got to go into bat for your boy but that’s pushing the barrow a bit far, innit! 

Meanwhile over at Les Blues Chucky Curnow is leaping over tall buildings in a single bound, roosting seven and pumping double cobras to the crowd. 

I hope Weid makes it but let’s keep it real Demonlanders.

You have to remember that Weideman has played no where near as many games as Curnow has because of the fact that, until this year, Weideman has been kept out of the side by Hogan. You can't keep comparing him to Curnow even though they're from the same draft class as Curnows experience at AFL level is very much above Weideman's. Deliberately having a provocative opinion doesn't make you interesting, "MB".

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Makes me reconsider my 6 possesion games. I guess Weid will print that line out and hang it over the mantle.

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12 minutes ago, nacnud said:

You have to remember that Weideman has played no where near as many games as Curnow has because of the fact that, until this year, Weideman has been kept out of the side by Hogan. You can't keep comparing him to Curnow even though they're from the same draft class as Curnows experience at AFL level is very much above Weideman's. Deliberately having a provocative opinion doesn't make you interesting, "MB".

Weideman was tried at times last year alongside Hogan and TMac but could not keep his spot because he did not perform well enough. You make it sound as though he was banging down the door kicking 5 goals at Casey every weekend but just couldn’t get a look in. Not the case at all.

And I will compare him to Curnow and others. That’s the way it goes at the elite level of pro sport. This isn’t primary school where everyone gets a fair go and gold star on their locker. Produce to the required level or be critiqued. Do you think they hand out premierships?

Best 6 touch game ever. Heaven help us.

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26 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

“Sam Weideman’s game shouldn’t be underestimated. It’s probably one of the better six possession games I’ve seen from a key forward,” Goodwin said.

😂😂😂 Lolz.

Nice one Goody. Realise you’ve got to go into bat for your boy but that’s pushing the barrow a bit far, innit! 

Meanwhile over at Les Blues Chucky Curnow is leaping over tall buildings in a single bound, roosting seven and pumping double cobras to the crowd. 

I hope Weid makes it but let’s keep it real Demonlanders.

Not sure where anyone, including Goody, heaped praise on him or went overboard with their view of his contribution, but it's always good to hear someone with a ton of actual AFL experience and knowledge making comments showing an understanding of the nuances of the game rather than outlandish statements for attention. Makes a nice change of pace from the internet.

How did the Blues go in that game by the way?

 

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3 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Best 6 touch game ever. Heaven help us.

That's not what was said. Come on mate, take a step back, calm down, do us all a favour and just slow the pace and outrage a bit.

 

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2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Not sure where anyone, including Goody, heaped praise on him or went overboard with their view of his contribution, but it's always good to hear someone with a ton of actual AFL experience and knowledge making comments showing an understanding of the nuances of the game rather than outlandish statements for attention. Makes a nice change of pace from the internet.

How did the Blues go in that game by the way?

 

I had the best 29 over par round the other day. Shoulda seen me. I was on fire 🔥 

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Who cares if you don’t get the ball as long as you chase, tackle and apply pressure. 

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Loved how he talked about his appreciation of Weideman's game on the weekend. Shows that coaches look at more than stats when judging the effectiveness of how a player played their role in making the system work.

 

I was at the game and was very surprised when I looked at the stats the next day, he seemed to be much more involved, which is good that the coaches aren't blinding going off stats either.

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21 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Probably worth mentioning again: everyone in the AFL lies. Goodwin might not be lying this time, but equally, he could be. 

Particularly when it comes to a young man with self-confidence issues at AFL level. I’ve got no truck with a coach defending his charges but c’mon Goody let’s not border on the comical.

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28 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Particularly when it comes to a young man with self-confidence issues at AFL level. I’ve got no truck with a coach defending his charges but c’mon Goody let’s not border on the comical.

It clearly wasn't his best game this year but I'd like to see Sam's contest win-half-loss from Saturday. He only got the 2 contested marks but eye test during the game it felt like he was at least halving most contests he was involved in. I suspect as a young key forward that's what Goody was most impressed by. 

Keeping in mind also that Clarry's goal and Tom's sealer both only came about thanks to contests Weids halved.

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30 minutes ago, Nelo said:

Who cares if you don’t get the ball as long as you chase, tackle and apply pressure. 

This unfortunately seems to be the overwhelming sentiment on here. Im not sure that was what Kanga Kennedy was trying to instill at hawthorn.

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After watching the replay even Paul Roos was singing praises about the weeds game but then again what would he know..

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1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

That wouldn't be because they know more about the game than the supporters would it?

Amazing how the club always knows best...until it all falls to poo.

 

Anyhow, as a supporter, I will try my best with this one.  Watch the video of the week.  I love Weed's spoil and workrate from half-back to when TMac kicks the dribbler from the forward pocket.  Like another poster noted, Roos sung his praises in the commentary box.  The only thing I would critique is that IF TMac turned clockwise on his left, then Weed failed to get separation from the defender on his heels.  I think the smart thing would have been either a sudden (v) change of direction to be an option for the dinky left footer OR put in massive effort to get to the goal-square first for a potential joe-the-goose.

I just think his mind went blank at that moment when TMac was going to either do what he did, look for a joe-the-goose, or turn clockwise and look for a short pass on his left.

 

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Just goes to show how much people on not just this forum, but most others have no FEEL for the game outside of Super Coach stats.  Weid was fantastic on the weekend with the work he did without the ball in his hands.  Had a direct influence in four goals outside of the one he kicked.  I don't care if he doesn't kick bags if he does what he did on the weekend by getting to contests and keeping up the pressure.  Practice = confidence and time = experience.  Look what has happened to Frosty this year.

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Garry's comments were interesting, that Mac should be the third tall.  Smiddy at the first, Weed as second.  and that they are beginning to understand their roles.  T Mac is not a natural fwd so this might be part of the problem.  hope they have it sorted now

Sundays game should be a cracker!

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I thought the Weid worked really hard last Saturday

the Stats never tell the full story

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2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I thought the Weid worked really hard last Saturday

the Stats never tell the full story

That’s what Goody was getting at. While he didn’t get many possies Weid worked hard at some of the team 1%’s. Therefore with low stats he still contributed.

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2 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Loved how he talked about his appreciation of Weideman's game on the weekend. Shows that coaches look at more than stats when judging the effectiveness of how a player played their role in making the system work.

 

What was good to hear afterwards was Garry Lyon and Nick Riewoldt both agreeing that the fact that Weideman is getting to contests and bringing the ball to ground is a huge positive in its self. 

Lyon said that he watched the game with some mates and they were frustrated in that he's always at the contest but spilling marks, but Lyon was saying to them that the fact he's bringing the ball to ground is a positive and that over time with more experience he will clunk them.

Riewoldt made an interesting comment that getting to and around the ground to make a contest is extremely hard, and the fact Weideman is doing it constantly throughout the game is a good sign for a young key forward.

Loved hearing this from 2 former great forwards of the game.

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22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What was good to hear afterwards was Garry Lyon and Nick Riewoldt both agreeing that the fact that Weideman is getting to contests and bringing the ball to ground is a huge positive in its self. 

Lyon said that he watched the game with some mates and they were frustrated in that he's always at the contest but spilling marks, but Lyon was saying to them that the fact he's bringing the ball to ground is a positive and that over time with more experience he will clunk them.

Riewoldt made an interesting comment that getting to and around the ground to make a contest is extremely hard, and the fact Weideman is doing it constantly throughout the game is a good sign for a young key forward.

Loved hearing this from 2 former great forwards of the game.

Yeah that heard too, I think Garry was saying he was watching with his sons? Weid was always going to be a slow burn (no pun intended), and I recall Taylor saying something along those lines on draft day. Only turns 22 today, so plenty of development to come.

 

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