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Margin Call: Should we trade our early pick/s?

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David King brought it up on SEN this morning. Reckons we have got to decide if we’re going to back our current group again in 2020 or roll the dice on trading out one of both of our first two picks in the 2019 draft for established ready-to-plug-in-and-play talent. 

Pick 3 - 6 would get several clubs to the trade table to discuss a range of appealing possibilities you would think. Pick 21 - 24 would net us a more than handy first 22 player. 

Huge calls. Big calls. Which way will we go and which way should we go in our quest for a premiership while this group comes through together?

Gary Pert flagged the club’s interest in addressing the current forward line issues in an interview on SEN’s crunch time radio program on Saturday morning. Whether that means potentially dangling our first pick out there - we shall see. 

Stock brokers and money men would call this an absolute margin call. Our flag hopes may very well rest on it.

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Just now, Matsuo Basho said:

David King brought it up on SEN this morning. Reckons we have got to decide if we’re going to back our current group again in 2020 or roll the dice on trading out one of both of our first two picks in the 2019 draft for established ready-to-plug-in-and-play talent. 

Pick 3 - 6 would get several clubs to the trade table to discuss a range of appealing possibilities you would think. Pick 21 - 24 would net us a more than handy first 22 player. 

Huge calls. Big calls. Which way will we go and which way should we go in our quest for a premiership while this group comes through together?

Gary Pert flagged the club’s interest in addressing the current forward line issues in an interview on SEN’s crunch time radio program on Saturday morning. Whether that means potentially dangling our first pick out there - we shall see. 

Stock brokers and money men would call this an absolute margin call. Our flag hopes may very well rest on it.

Forgive me if I am wrong...

But I don't believe we are allowed to under the AFL's rules due to the fact we haven't drafted in the first round since 2015. 

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I hope we draft Will Gould. Best KPP in the draft by a long shot. Would prefer 12 years from him then say 4-5 years from a player like May.

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2 minutes ago, GCDee said:

Forgive me if I am wrong...

But I don't believe we are allowed to under the AFL's rules due to the fact we haven't drafted in the first round since 2015. 

If we’re at the threshold (I haven’t checked), we just have to use a first round pick. Doesn’t have to be the one we started with.

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Just now, Nasher said:

If we’re at the threshold (I haven’t checked), we just have to use a first round pick. Doesn’t have to be the one we started with.

ahhh I see... 

So we could trade Pick 3 for a player + pick 18 and take that to the draft? 

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1 minute ago, GCDee said:

ahhh I see... 

So we could trade Pick 3 for a player + pick 18 and take that to the draft? 

Yep, correct. 

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We need a top end midfielder that has speed and can hit a target, or a Half Back, or forward that have the same attributes.  All we want to hear is elite speed and skills.  We need to inject this from the draft our core group is 22-25 years old adding most likely a top 5 pick plus a mid 20's pick is what our club needs

When is 2m Peter a free agent

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A re-building North might seriously look at trading out Ben Brown for our first pick. People might say he's not worth say a pick 5 but if you pay slight overs and win a flag on the back of this type of trade then it becomes a steal.

Are we in it to win it or just making up the numbers? 55 years without flag and counting ...

B: Frost May Hore

HB: Hunt Lever Salem

C:Fritsch Oliver *New player*

HF: Melksham McDonald Petracca

F: Weideman *Brown* Lockhart

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Jones Harmes Hibberd Baker

Image result for ben brown afl mark

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Yeah, nah, not sure.

I doubt that the player you’d get for a downgrade from early first round to late first round, would really compensate you sufficiently to justify losing the ability to choose from a wider range of available players. You might get a role player, but I don’t think you’d get a lot unless one team is head over heels for a kid.

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Also don't forget that Hawthorn wasn't allowed to trade it's first pick on these rules. Yet they went to the AFL to get omera and mitchell in and the AFL ticked it off. So really any club can get around it. I think i sort of want us to get the best talent at the draft who can kick (otherwise would have to recruit only players who can kick from other teams).

 

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This is something that needs to be flexible

be prepared to put them up for grabs

depending on what we get in return But

also depending on how we go for the rest of the year, an open mind and hopefully open chequebook for the correct player, 

and someone who can kick as well as Ben Brown......... 

interesting second half of the year. Was pizzed off with football before Saturday but with that second half feel more relaxed.  Go Dees

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Would rather do a Carlton and trade our 2020 first round pick to get another top 10-12 pick in 2019. 

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I think we need a small/medium forward will genuine pace and skill. I doubt it would happen as he is contracted but I'd seriously consider someone like Jack Petruccelle. Swap first rounders with WC our 4-6 for their 14-16. 

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It depends what is available, but for next year i would like to see ready made players bought in. Particularly now there is a mid season draft as well

we need to get back up the ladder and maximize what was already built

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My view is it depends on the number of our pick and the available talent.

If someone like Jack Martin from the Suns is available, at age 24 we would be crazy not to trade for him given he is exactly what we lack.

Then if someone like Ed Langdon was also available I'd happily trade our 1st round pick for Martin and 2nd round pick for Langdon.

Both take us one step closer to a flag, which at the end of the day is the only thing the club exists for.

From m understanding we can trade this years' pick, but must use a 1st rounder either this year or next year.

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We have 2 third rounders this year don’t we? Maybe we can package one up with OMac for a late second round pick back.

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21 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It depends what is available, but for next year i would like to see ready made players bought in. Particularly now there is a mid season draft as well

we need to get back up the ladder and maximize what was already built

And that's the rub, isn't it.

By bringing May and Lever in and to a lesser extent Hibberd and Melksham the FD declared that the rebuild phase is over and this is the group to launch assaults on the flag.

Our time is now. We cannot afford to miss finals action two years in a row and it would send the wrong message the players we already have assembled to draft more 18yo's that we potentially have to wait another 2-3 years on to see if they're any good. 

There is a bumper crop of free agents available at the end of 2020. Win well and play finals in 2020 and we will attract further talent to the club, just as the top clubs have done so strategically well over the past decade or so.

I think it's a call we have to make. Identify the one or two players from other clubs we need to fill the key needs on the list and go hard after them, so be it if that means offering up our prized picks as payment.

Then watch us surge back into the eight and challenge for top four within twelve months. If I were Pert, Mahoney, Goodwin and Co, that's the path I'd be going down all guns blazing. 💥

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I think Clubs can do both, if they are careful and thorough 

5-6 spots are available each year. 

Trade for 2 and Draft 4 as an example

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I think we need a little more quality depth, our front-line best 30 is still pretty good, we've just not had anywhere near out best 30 available to choose from for most of the year. If we had the chance to go from pick say 6 to swapping with GWS for picks 9/17, I'd be happy with that. They are the only team at this stage with 2 first round picks, besides the Gold Coast who will finish below us. 

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Keep the pick if it is very very early or if there is a particular player we are very keen to make sure of.

If it (hopefully) drifts down to the 7 or 8 range, then it becomes tradeable, though we must keep one live pick in the first round and I also think keeping ourselves with a reasonably early option is appropriate.

I'm not keen on any 'top draft pick for a player' trades unless it is a truly exceptional player. And no, I don't count Ben Brown in that category, sorry.

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we definately need some quality yound kids to come in so unless we get a great trade deal we should go to the draft.

look at the diff kids make to Port.   I would like to be competing for a flag/finals for 10 years not just the next 3

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Surely we can see it's the wing/outside mid that needs to be filled. Hill was at both end of the ground all day on Saturday.

Jones and Brayshaw on the wing are to slow. Baker gets lost to easily in the early stages of his career.

We need speed. Polecc, Saad, Milera, something like that...

Jayden Hunt onto a wing?

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2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

What would Ed Langdon cost us? Is he the right type of player? A dasher to be sure but skills?

The skill part is my worry. I keep seeing crap kicks and his kicking efficiency inside 50 is low (so would fit in well with the rest of our team haha). I really like his run, but i really dislike his kicking.

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