Dees Confirm Chase for Arsenal Fitness Guru

[Demonland 64,687]

 

[dazzledavey36 48,704]

Sorry @Demonland I didn't see your thread and went and started my own. Feel free to merge mine in here.

[What 18,810]

This would be like upgrading from a Datsun 180B to a Maybach.

Get it done.

[monoccular 16,042]

Can he teach kicking too??

[Little Goffy 12,546]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Can he teach kicking too??

What I want to know is, can he book travel and accommodation, take the minutes for board meetings, and answer calls at reception?

[Diamond_Jim 11,727]

One assumes it would need to be a lifestyle change as it is hard to imagine how the MFC could match what a top EPL club pays.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 3,925]

I’m on the fence. AFL is just so much different to soccer in terms of player size, shape and injuries.

Edited June 19, 2019 by david_neitz_is_my_dad

[DubDee 20,527]

Well Arsenal is my second most hated club after Essendon so not a good start but he has a good rep apparently

although, Arsenal have been expert at losing this decade and have been hit pretty hard by injuries at times, ask re-occurring injured players: Aaron Ramsey, Wellbeck Wilkshere, etc.

[Nasher 33,047]

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

although, Arsenal have been expert at losing this decade and have been hit pretty hard by injuries at times, ask re-occurring injured players: Aaron Ramsey, Wellbeck Wilkshere, etc.

I just knew someone was going to have posted something like this. I’ve never heard of the guy and don’t follow English soccer, but the argument against fitness guys is always “but injury list”! 

In elite sport, the fitness group and athletes alike will always be looking to push the boundaries. Injuries will happen. Unless we can specifically point to negligence on behalf of the elite performance manager (or whatever the specific title is), I don’t think it’s a useful metric. In fact I think it’s yet another role that it’s impossible to judge the performance of from the outside.

[TGR 1,367]

Strikes me as (a) panic, and (b) confirmation that medical services has been below par for years; as alluded to in many examples on here over the years.

 

Like Barassi in 1981, this is like going for the messiah which rarely works.  No good having a guru if you can't implement the basics in pain-respecting (acute) injury management.  Is this guru going to stop Joel Smith returning to the field hobbling in a dead rubber?  Is this guru going to grab Jack Viney by the hair and insist that returning to the high-wire act of AFL footy within 10 days of foot surgery is a tad mad?

 

Typical Melbourne.  We probably got close to getting the basics right in the Roos era.  Other than that, what a joke.

[DubDee 20,527]

28 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I just knew someone was going to have posted something like this. I’ve never heard of the guy and don’t follow English soccer, but the argument against fitness guys is always “but injury list”! 

In elite sport, the fitness group and athletes alike will always be looking to push the boundaries. Injuries will happen. Unless we can specifically point to negligence on behalf of the elite performance manager (or whatever the specific title is), I don’t think it’s a useful metric. In fact I think it’s yet another role that it’s impossible to judge the performance of from the outside.

Just judging him the same way some folks judge Misson. 

The new guy will be made out like the messiah but injuries will happen next year like always. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

The type of strength of conditioning required by elite soccer players is poles apart from that needed for a repeat collision contact sport like AFL football. I can only surmise he was very highly regarded at Port. 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,024]

15 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Just judging him the same way some folks judge Misson. 

The new guy will be made out like the messiah but injuries will happen next year like always. 

Hopefully whoever we get is more than just a very naughty boy.

[rjay 23,887]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

One assumes it would need to be a lifestyle change as it is hard to imagine how the MFC could match what a top EPL club pays.

He has been sacked by Arsenal so looking for a job...

32 minutes ago, TGR said:

Strikes me as (a) panic, and (b) confirmation that medical services has been below par for years; as alluded to in many examples on here over the years.

Not any of those things...Misson is moving on & Burgess is available. Of course we talk to him.

8 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

The type of strength of conditioning required by elite soccer players is poles apart from that needed for a repeat collision contact sport like AFL football. I can only surmise he was very highly regarded at Port. 

Very highly regarded at Port, at the time they were considered the fittest club in the AFL... 

[Cards13 9,117]

1 hour ago, TGR said:

Strikes me as (a) panic, and (b) confirmation that medical services has been below par for years; as alluded to in many examples on here over the years.

 

Like Barassi in 1981, this is like going for the messiah which rarely works.  No good having a guru if you can't implement the basics in pain-respecting (acute) injury management.  Is this guru going to stop Joel Smith returning to the field hobbling in a dead rubber?  Is this guru going to grab Jack Viney by the hair and insist that returning to the high-wire act of AFL footy within 10 days of foot surgery is a tad mad?

 

Typical Melbourne.  We probably got close to getting the basics right in the Roos era.  Other than that, what a joke.

Jjeeesssuuuus h ccchhhrrriisttt, I would love to see you come to the table with solutions rather than rants against the club. What should they do now then bright spark?

[Cards13 9,117]

@Matsuo Basho

A basic internet search will point you info re Burgess and Port and the Gooners.

[Demonstone 19,084]

38 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

I would love to see you come to the table with solutions rather than rants against the club.

Poor old TGR still hasn't got over that time he offered his physio services to the club and they laughed him out of the joint.

[Rossmillan 474]

This would be a highly valuable appointment if we could get him.  Cannot believe the negativity on this one.

EPL is no Mickey Mouse league.  He has proven AFL experience, and under his watch Port dominated with their ability to outrun the opposition.  Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe it was th year they made the prelim.  Pretty sure before Port he also had a stint at Liverpool.

I vaguely also remember an Adelaide advertiser article where he was running a program where other clubs/sports were sending their people to learn from him.

Get it done!

[chookrat 3,776]

We should go after Dean Robinson. He has a solid track record at Geelong, is known to push the boundaries and as far as I'm aware is available. 

[TGR 1,367]

19 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Jjeeesssuuuus h ccchhhrrriisttt, I would love to see you come to the table with solutions rather than rants against the club. What should they do now then bright spark?

Get the basics right.  Like Jesus H Christ.did when he fed and healed people.  He didn't life-coach them or set up a wellness retreat.  He didn't ask if they wanted Chia or gluten-free wine.

 

My rant was the extremes that the MFC culture invokes.  We either display hubris (2018 finals and 2019 pre-season) or we wallow in a veil of negativity.  We either employ the wrong person for the wrong role (Rooke?), go for irrelevant 1%ers (hypoxic training, hyperbaric chambers) or go for the messiah to salvation.

I am not saying other clubs don't share some of these flaws, but bloody hell, no other club in the AFL has overtly got the simple stuff wrong like we have over the past 3 years.  The management of Viney's foot, Smith's soft-tissue, May's soft-tissue and the like has been amateur hour; when you think about what was at stake.  Then you look at a slow team, recruiting Lewis to help our leadership woes.  Then you look at the Lever trade, and how we sold a farm in a super-draft...and guess what, we want another intercept defender?

 

We are next to Gold Coast on the ladder.  Our For and Against is woeful.  You hand-clappers may be surprised, but I aint.  I'm sick of supporting mediocrity. 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2019 by Demonland
Keep politics out of the footy boards please

[TGR 1,367]

1 hour ago, demonstone said:

Poor old TGR still hasn't got over that time he offered his physio services to the club and they laughed him out of the joint.

Might have been different if I was a yes-man.  Would have become a life-member I reckon.

[roy11 2,924]

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

Well Arsenal is my second most hated club after Essendon so not a good start but he has a good rep apparently

although, Arsenal have been expert at losing this decade and have been hit pretty hard by injuries at times, ask re-occurring injured players: Aaron Ramsey, Wellbeck Wilkshere, etc.

On  a side DB joined Arsenal in July 2017;

Wilkshere missed 1 game (Community Cup) for Arsenal that season injury from a hairline fracture that occurred the season before when he was on loan at Bournemoth. The 17/18 Season was actually pretty good for him injury wise. 38 appearances across all the competitions (Missed some games for non selection/on the bench etc).

Following year he moved to West Ham and missed 30 games combined due to injury. 

Maybe DB does have the midas touch!

anyway he's highly regarded, if we're building talent on the pitch it needs to be protected. for whatever reason, the medical department may or may not have shot themselves in the foot a few times in recent times. Need club-wide review and subsequent improvements (if warranted) on and off pitch to continue quest for success. 

[deebug 1,754]

We will have to wait and see??

[DeeSpencer 23,103]

How good is he at injury prevention and management - who knows?

But Port were fit when he was in charge. They believed it, they played like it and they ran over teams late in games. It was great footy to watch.

I'd be willing to risk some injuries to see our players really believe in themselves.

We seem so reluctant to kick the ball and run to space. Our quick ball movement game plan will never amount to anything if we're afraid to stretch the size of the ground with run.

[chook fowler 18,204]

Donald Trump just announced he will cure cancer during his next term. May be he can also take on our fitness woes - mind you that will be a bigger challenge.