Mid-season Coaching Revamp

[Brownie 5,127]

11 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

You’d think he would want to be considered for all main jobs and this would be Rawlings last year at the Dees.

He said he put his hand up to take over at Casey, I think to show he can coach a team on his own rather than being a line coach. 

He has now been brought back into the main stage and Rooke demoted. 

Geez I hope we can hang on to him.

Great to have Jade back in a senior role.

It wouldn't hurt the club to throw good money at him to keep him in as a 2IC to Goody.

He's not a bad plan b if Goody can't turn things around by mid 2020.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

Underwhelming!

The only real positional change is Rawlings replaces Rooke as Forward Line Coach and we have two more 'development coaches. 

Chaplin is now the 'standalone' backline coach.  I assume 'standalone' means he no longer shares the role with Macca who I think was the 'Defensive' Coach. 

Macca appears to now have a Development role as does Rooke, alongside Egan.  Is 'development' the 'graveyard' for the coaches we don't know what to do with?

Time will tell if this is just musical chairs or a moving aside of people who aren't 'fitting' in, for whatever reason. 

TBH, I didn't expect to see Chaplin and Plapp survive a review of the coaching department.  Both are in their first AFL coaching gigs.  All of 5 years AFL coaching experience between them.  Goodwin imv needs and deserves better especially as his more experience coaches have been moved aside.  Well, I guess he has moved them aside.  Must think he doesn't need experience.

The Age article says: Several assistants are understood to be out of contract at the end of the season.  Perhaps this is when the club will move on Plapp and or Chaplin.

Delighted Rawlings is back.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[rjay 23,867]

Good news...

We couldn't keep going the way we were.

Things are being set up now for 2020...

I wonder if Bolton is on our radar?

Personally I would like Richardson who for some reason is still on the outer at Saint land but Bolton could be a good get...

[DeeSpencer 23,061]

18 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

What is a fully qualified sports medic? And why does a qualified Dr need to get one?

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He is also very experienced in Sports Medicine. He has worked as the club doctor for the Melbourne Demons AFL club since 2013 and is the current secretary of the AFL Doctors Association. In 2016 he has also commenced further specialist training with the Australasian College of Sport and Exercise Physicians.

We hired a doctor who had worked in Emergency Departments and as GP to head up the medical team dealing with professional athletes. 

Not as serious but it's the equivalent of needing an operation - even something simple like an appendicectomy - and going to a GP rather than a surgeon. 

Medicine is very specialised these days, there's just far too many diseases, treatments and so on for doctors to know outside their speciality. A good GP with time in an ED will know how to manage the basics of what goes wrong on a footy field - stitching wounds, assessing knee injuries, relocating shoulders - but it takes advanced knowledge to accurately assess injuries on game day as well as to oversee treatment plans. The club doctor has to deal with surgeons and other specialists when it comes to injured players which means having the expertise to work on that level. It takes a lot of experience and knowledge to make hard calls in circumstances like if a player has a dodgy foot and needs to see a few surgeons or the player is being rushed back by the fitness guys and needs more evaluation. 

He now has far more experience and may have even finished his advanced training, hopefully he has, but it was still a very unusual hire at the time.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Great news.

Everytime i had the opportunity to watch Casey play and walked out to hear Rawlings at half time all I could think was it is only a matter of time until we lose him  to a senior role. He has the balance of old school motivator, commander of respect and a communicator of tactics.

Don’t know enought about the strength and condition coach from Hawthorn but he can’t go any worse.

Glad we are being proactive despite fair and reasonable reviews will find we were hampered by injury.

[DeeSpencer 23,061]

22 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Underwhelming!

The only real positional change is Rawlings replaces Rooke as Forward Line Coach and we have two more 'development coaches. 

Chaplin is now the 'standalone' backline coach.  I assume 'standalone' means he no longer shares the role with Macca who I think was the 'Defensive' Coach. 

Macca appears to now have a Development role as does Rooke, alongside Egan.  Is 'development' the 'graveyard' for the coaches we don't know what to do with?

Time will tell if this is just musical chairs or a moving aside of people who aren't 'fitting' in, for whatever reason. 

TBH, I didn't expect to see Chaplin and Plapp survive a review of the coaching department.  Both are in their first AFL coaching gigs.  All of 5 years AFL coaching experience between them.  Goodwin imv needs and deserves better especially as his more experience coaches have been moved aside.  Well, I guess he has moved them aside.  Must think he doesn't need experience.

The Age article says: Several assistants are understood to be out of contract at the end of the season.  Perhaps this is when the club will move on Plapp and or Chaplin.

Delighted Rawlings is back.

Plapp and Chaplin seem exactly the type of guys Goodwin will keep.

Plapp's worked his way through the system from VFL development coach at Willy, to TAC coach at Sandy to being very successful at Casey and now in to the senior coaching panel. I suggest Ben Matthews as stoppage coach is the more experienced of the midfield coaches so I don't particularly see an issue with a less experienced coach there.

Chaplin is certainly inexperienced but he now gets sole responsibility to coach the position that he played very well. I don't think he would've been promoted on the way to being shown the door 10 weeks later.

I would think the best balance for assistant coaches would be having a good split of experienced coaches and younger guys who are driving the implementation of tactics, analytics and technology. 

Rawlings adding to the line coach experience plus either putting McCartney where he's best used or replacing him is a good step to using experience. Otherwise I imagine changes are more likely with the guys who just got demoted than with the assistants keeping their positions.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Plapp and Chaplin seem exactly the type of guys Goodwin will keep.

Plapp's worked his way through the system from VFL development coach at Willy, to TAC coach at Sandy to being very successful at Casey and now in to the senior coaching panel. I suggest Ben Matthews as stoppage coach is the more experienced of the midfield coaches so I don't particularly see an issue with a less experienced coach there.

Chaplin is certainly inexperienced but he now gets sole responsibility to coach the position that he played very well. I don't think he would've been promoted on the way to being shown the door 10 weeks later.

I would think the best balance for assistant coaches would be having a good split of experienced coaches and younger guys who are driving the implementation of tactics, analytics and technology. 

Rawlings adding to the line coach experience plus either putting McCartney where he's best used or replacing him is a good step to using experience. Otherwise I imagine changes are more likely with the guys who just got demoted than with the assistants keeping their positions.

Or maybe Goodwin is a control freak who wants 'yes men' around him.  He wouldn't be the first nor the last control freak AFL coach.

I will now don my flak jacket as the heavens will surely descend upon me for the audacity of that comment?

Edited June 18, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Demon_spurs 1,643]

1 hour ago, binman said:

I'm bored. The chairman of the bored

Thank You Iggy

[Demonsone 1,594]

Never a dull moment or a shake up at the MFC, my  concern is why does the mfc get more things wrong then right!

Edited June 18, 2019 by Demonsone

[TGR 1,367]

2 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Would Jade Rawlings be in the hunt at North?

Jordan Lewis’ rating of Rawlings as a coach floored me on VFL 360 tonight.

If I interpreted him correctly, Rawlings is top of the tree.

Any bozo could politely ask Weed not to lead to the same spot that TMac leads to. Rookie has been a disaster.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 5,789]

Where does Charlie Sheen stand in the grand scheme of things? Surely they have given him the [censored].

[Binmans PA 25,898]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

what worries me is that there was no hint of a change in the gameplan.

Anyway let's see what Saturday etc brings

Why would they signpost this?

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,570]

Rawlings is now in a no loose situation as far as I can see.

Casey's season appears to me to have not got off the ground this season due to a severe lack of AFL listed players.

Getting back more of our best list pre and post bye, the MFC's season should be on an upward trajectory from this point onward and Rawlings would no doubt get more Kudos for reviving the floundering forwardline of an a senior AFL side than anything which he might have achieved with Casey for the remainder of the season.

Personally, I'm glad to see Rawlings more involved at the most senior level.  I kind of get it, but why should the MFC do more favours by Rawlings by giving him the opportunity of showing his wears coaching his own side at Casey, than getting more value out of him where he is most presently needed at AFL level?  I care more about the fortune of the MFC than I do about Rawlings coaching aspersions at another club and that's the way the MFC should see it too.

McCarthy has been widely acknowledged as a great development coach, both at the Cats and the Dogs, so :

i) I don't know why we would move him from that role in the first place;

ii) I think it's good he is now back in that role and it doesn't indicate to me he is on the way out;

iii) Would Maca have been a better fit for the Casey coaches position than Rawlings either in the first place or now that Rawings has been promoted?  Or it best to keep the team coach and development coaches roles seperate?

Edited June 18, 2019 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[DeeSpencer 23,061]

12 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Or maybe Goodwin is a control freak who wants 'yes men' around him.  He wouldn't be the first nor the last control freak AFL coach.

I will now don my flak jacket as the heavens will surely descend upon me for the audacity of that comment?

Maybe. I just look at the Hawks with Clarko and a bunch of young assistants he turned in to senior coaches whilst Fagan had his back.

Coaching has evolved so quickly since the mid 2000's that you need guys who are innovating and advancing the game.

Anyway, I'll take comfort from the idea that Goodwin and/or Mahoney have made some changes. The worst control freaks are the ones who get their people in positions and keep them forever. 

[dazzledavey36 48,647]

What's happened to Daniel Cross? I thought he was our rehab coach?

[Sorry kids 635]

1. Glass half full             MFC make mid season coaching changes
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[chookrat 3,774]

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What's happened to Daniel Cross? I thought he was our rehab coach?

Good question, he could probably be found in the ice baths

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,883]

10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

For every goal Jeff kicks he stuffs up 1 for either himself or a team mate through gutless efforts. He's a laughing stock.

Correct DS. Garlett . . . on a good day . . . is a zero sum proposition. 

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

Maybe. I just look at the Hawks with Clarko and a bunch of young assistants he turned in to senior coaches whilst Fagan had his back.

Coaching has evolved so quickly since the mid 2000's that you need guys who are innovating and advancing the game.

Anyway, I'll take comfort from the idea that Goodwin and/or Mahoney have made some changes. The worst control freaks are the ones who get their people in positions and keep them forever. 

All for young assistants.  My issue is their lack of AFL coaching experience.  Having 2 with 5 years between them, without particularly successful playing careers put straight into line coaching positions is high risk.  Rhetorical question: Do they have the experience to create, evaluate and challenge the coach, the game plan, training etc or are they likely to just do the coach's bidding? 

I was hoping for fresh faces with some 'battle scars' with maybe 6-10+ years experience and some runs on the board.  

If it was only Goodwin and/or Mahoney making the changes it is not a review.  In my experience it isn't possible to objectively review and critique what one has created (Goodwin) or signed off on (Mahoney).  My questions are:  Who reviews their work?  Who takes a holistic review of what has gone wrong eg game plan?  How does our structure/experience compare to successful/dynasty clubs?

As I said earlier, underwhelming.

If this is 'IT' imv we have made a mistake not having an external person involved in the review.  I cling to some small hope that someone is taking the holistic view and that at the end of the year we will have fresh faces with more experience in the line coaching positions.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[old dee 22,815]

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

All for young assistants.  My issue lack of AFL coaching experience.  Having 2 with 5 years between, without particularly successful careers as players and putting them straight into line coaching positions is high risk.  Do they have the experience to create, evaluate and challenge things like the game plan, training etc or other they simple going to follow the senior coaches instructions? 

I was hoping for significant change in the coaching panel with new faces, still young but maybe with 6-10 years experience from a successful club.   

If it was only Goodwin and/or Mahoney making the changes it is not a review.  In my experience it isn't possible to objectively review and critique what one have created (Goodwin) or signed off on (Mahoney).  My questions are:  Who reviews their work?  Who takes a holistic review of what has gone wrong eg game plan?.  Who has looked at other footy club models of structures, roles and experience of incumbents?  How do we compare to successful/dynasty clubs?

As I said earlier, underwhelming.

If this is 'IT' imv we have made a mistake not having an external team do the review.  I cling to some small hope that someone is taking the holistic view and that at the end of the year we will have fresh faces with more experience in the line coaching positions.

 

LH keep your powder dry there will be more news come 1st August.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

I wrote somewhere that players seem confused on when/how to defend and when/how to attack and mused whether there were mixed messages from coaches eg Macca an old school, 'defensive first' coach and Jennings' all out ballistic style of attack game. 

One thing the first 12 rounds have shown is that defence and 'slow to play on' is a dominant feature of the top 4-6 sides.  'Fast to play on' and attacking football is a dominant feature of lower sides...

With Macca no longer a defensive coach I wonder if we will see an even more attacking game style to try and regain 'the way we play'. 

Will keenly watch how we play, and keep an eye on the bench to see if Macca is sitting there on Saturday.

Edit:  Article on mfc webste says Macca will be in an overall mentoring position of the AFL and VFL assistant coaches.  So not development as per The Age article.  Lends more intrigue into Macca's match day role and involvement with players.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Lord Nev 13,511]

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What's happened to Daniel Cross? I thought he was our rehab coach?

It seemed more like a leadership shift rather than a whole staff revamp. Cross is part of a team of around 40 in the medical/rehab department so would guess he's staying in the same role. Just a guess though.

[Kent 2,574]

11 hours ago, Adzman said:

White collar version of musical chairs?

Rooke and Macca look like they are close to being chairless 

No Mate

Chairs >> Titanic

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I wrote somewhere that players seem confused on when/how to defend and when/how to attack and mused whether there were mixed messages from coaches eg Macca an old school, 'defensive first' coach and Jennings' all out ballistic style of attack game. 

One thing the first 12 rounds have shown is that defence and 'slow to play on' is a dominant feature of the top 4-6 sides.  'Fast to play on' and attacking football is a dominant feature of lower sides...

With Macca no longer a defensive coach I wonder if we will see an even more attacking game style to try and regain 'the way we play'. 

Will keenly watch how we play, and keep an eye on the bench to see if Macca is sitting there on Saturday.

Yep, great point, us and the Blues are the two teams who play on the most in the competition, and it's clear how the seasons of both are playing out. These moves, while positive in my view, will be meaningless if there's not changes in actual instruction, game plan/style and structures.

The catch could be though, are we skillful enough to play a slower, more precise game style? I guess things can't get more worse anyway.

 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

It's a thing.

As someone said, the eternal optimists will see this as a huge positive. The opposite can be said for the pessimists. 

Something had to give and from what I've heard from a few with connections to the club is that some of those Macca rumours weren't far from the truth. 

Not all is rosy. Prelim to third last. It's a big deal.