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On 6/18/2019 at 4:05 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

If Gus was Top 10 last year I would agree, but Top 3 means he is a keeper...

He stands to poll 0 this year. Richmond traded Deledio despite consistently polling 10-15 every year from 2012-2016.

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Two weeks ago I would have labelled trading Brayshaw as 'a very brave decision'. Then he started repeatedly hand-balling back over the top of his head to the opposition? JTFC what was he thinking? Let's all hope that's a one-off aberration; in which case why shop him around?

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Just wondering, do people still think he 'bleeds red and blue' and there's no chance the club would trade him?

I love him, but something is not right with Gus and if he played for another team we'd all be saying he doesn't look happy and could want out.

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His experiencing what Tyson experienced. Old inside mids getting priority and him pushed out to the wing because we have failed to draft any decent wingers in the past decade.

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He’s out of form. That last kick just summed up how he’s going really. 

I’m a long way from worried though. Form slumps happen. He’s a very good player and will bounce back.

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3 minutes ago, olisik said:

His experiencing what Tyson experienced. Old inside mids getting priority and him pushed out to the wing because we have failed to draft any decent wingers in the past decade.

I would agree wholeheartedly. This time last year he was part of the AFL's most potent midfield with Max, CLarrie & Harmesy and they were clicking well together. Now he is seemingly the 6th option and has been asked to play as a HFF, WInger, Fwd Pocket . He is not getting the consistent minutes to gel with the system. We have a midfield today with Preuss, Jones,Lewis and Viney  and Clarrie was pushed out at times. We complain about our lack of connectivity. It all starts in the middle .

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No...Dont trade Gus....fix him

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1 minute ago, dimmy said:

I would agree wholeheartedly. This time last year he was part of the AFL's most potent midfield with Max, CLarrie & Harmesy and they were clicking well together. Now he is seemingly the 6th option and has been asked to play as a HFF, WInger, Fwd Pocket . He is not getting the consistent minutes to gel with the system. We have a midfield today with Preuss, Jones,Lewis and Viney  and Clarrie was pushed out at times. We complain about our lack of connectivity. It all starts in the middle .

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We would be trading low. You dont sell a comidity low for an unknown prospect. We wouldnt get a top 10 pick for him and anything outside of that is speculative. We have a lot to work with - with Brayshaw. Currently  though he is out of form, looks really weak and disheartened. Id definitely keep him though. But he needs to strengthen up. 

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15 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

No...Dont trade Gus....fix him

or play him in his best position, the guts

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21 minutes ago, Nasher said:

He’s out of form. That last kick just summed up how he’s going really. 

I’m a long way from worried though. Form slumps happen. He’s a very good player and will bounce back.

Form slump for a whole season would be cause for concern in some way though wouldn't it? In one way or another.

Putting the trade hypotheticals aside for a sec, my gut feel is just genuine worry that everything is ok with him tbh. Not based on anything, don't want people to get any innuendo from that in any way, but he just looks 'off' and down this year.

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Brayshaw seems lost.  I would give him one more year to get super fit.  He is a far better player than what he is showing.  Symptom of MFC disease,  as someone said earlier,  the list need a kick up the clacker in the off season.  

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7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Form slump for a whole season would be cause for concern in some way though wouldn't it? In one way or another.

Putting the trade hypotheticals aside for a sec, my gut feel is just genuine worry that everything is ok with him tbh. Not based on anything, don't want people to get any innuendo from that in any way, but he just looks 'off' and down this year.

The commonly used term “second year blues” is one that covers a whole of season temporary form slump, so it must happen a lot if it has its own name. Obviously it’s not Gus’ second year, although it is the year after his first very good one. 

I think it’s confidence and that’s it. He needs a game where the cards fall his way and it will reset his mindset. We saw it happen almost overnight with TMac. No doubt Brayshaw will do his knee or get concussed on the day he finds his though, given 2019 luck.

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1 minute ago, Nasher said:

The commonly used term “second year blues” is one that covers a whole of season temporary form slump, so it must happen a lot if it has its own name. Obviously it’s not Gus’ second year, although it is the year after his first very good one. 

I think it’s confidence and that’s it. He needs a game where the cards fall his way and it will reset his mindset. We saw it happen almost overnight with TMac. No doubt Brayshaw will do his knee or get concussed on the day he finds his though, given 2019 luck.

I hope so. But then the question has to be asked, why hasn't he been dropped to find some form/confidence?

Last year, his very good one, he was 'dropped' at the start of the season to help his development and have him readjust and it worked wonders, so why not do it this year? Why just keep running him down?

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36 minutes ago, Nasher said:

He’s out of form. That last kick just summed up how he’s going really. 

I’m a long way from worried though. Form slumps happen. He’s a very good player and will bounce back.

I hope you are correct but he looks like he is not enjoying playing at the moment. 

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1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

I hope so. But then the question has to be asked, why hasn't he been dropped to find some form/confidence?

Last year, his very good one, he was 'dropped' at the start of the season to help his development and have him readjust and it worked wonders, so why not do it this year? Why just keep running him down?

Dropping a player to give them confidence seems upside down doesn’t it? It’s one of the great footy fan Furphys I reckon.

Anyway, two reasons I wouldn’t drop him. 1) even half going, he’s still better than the next best Casey player. Would anyone genuinely prefer JKH or C.Wagner in the side?

2) because it’s AFL confidence he needs. So goes back to the VFL and gets 40 touches. So what? He knows full well the AFL NQRs and part timers making up the VFL aren’t a patch on the players he’d be up against in the big time.

I think we just need to calm down and sit tight. Keep working with him, coaching him and tuning him, and it’ll come.

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2 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

I hope you are correct but he looks like he is not enjoying playing at the moment. 

No out of form player ever looks like they’re enjoying it.

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3 minutes ago, Nasher said:

No out of form player ever looks like they’re enjoying it.

Equally, no unhappy player ever looks in form. So if he is out of form and unhappy and we are a professional club what is he doing in the seniors?

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1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Dropping a player to give them confidence seems upside down doesn’t it? It’s one of the great footy fan Furphys I reckon.

Anyway, two reasons I wouldn’t drop him. 1) even half going, he’s still better than the next best Casey player. Would anyone genuinely prefer JKH or C.Wagner in the side?

2) because it’s AFL confidence he needs. So goes back to the VFL and gets 40 touches. So what? He knows full well the AFL NQRs and part timers making up the VFL aren’t a patch on the players he’d be up against in the big time.

I think we just need to calm down and sit tight. Keep working with him, coaching him and tuning him, and it’ll come.

Then why was he 'dropped' last year to start the season before having by far his best year? Why even have a VFL team if we refuse to put out of form players there? Why even talk about culture if players performing at Casey get overlooked for someone massively out of form but a high draft pick? Aren't we passed that kinda stuff now? We should be.

JKH had 18 disposals, 6 marks and 6 tackles in the one game he played before being dropped.

Gus had 12 disposals, 3 marks and 2 tackles today.

If we're going to wonder why our team has seemingly gone back to being mentally soft, hunted, low on confidence and lacking intent, then I put it to you that Goodwin's consistent favouring of certain players at selection despite performance is hurting us culturally as a team this year.

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6 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Then why was he 'dropped' last year to start the season before having by far his best year? Why even have a VFL team if we refuse to put out of form players there? Why even talk about culture if players performing at Casey get overlooked for someone massively out of form but a high draft pick? Aren't we passed that kinda stuff now? We should be.

JKH had 18 disposals, 6 marks and 6 tackles in the one game he played before being dropped.

Gus had 12 disposals, 3 marks and 2 tackles today.

If we're going to wonder why our team has seemingly gone back to being mentally soft, hunted, low on confidence and lacking intent, then I put it to you that Goodwin's consistent favouring of certain players at selection despite performance is hurting us culturally as a team this year.

It says a lot about us that Gus  lack of form is no a big footy story. hard questions would be being asked if it was happening at a power club. 

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22 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Form slump for a whole season would be cause for concern in some way though wouldn't it? In one way or another.

Putting the trade hypotheticals aside for a sec, my gut feel is just genuine worry that everything is ok with him tbh. Not based on anything, don't want people to get any innuendo from that in any way, but he just looks 'off' and down this year.

 I talked about this on the post game. I am worried about his welfare. He has suffered multiple concussions and I was reading some info on what effect these have on a person's mental health. Neuroscientists have discovered they can produce new feelings of anxiety and increase or renew existing feelings of anxiety. We do not know what these concussions have done to his mental state. I too feel he has lost his confidence and love of the game. I'm not saying this is true but it is just an observation. 

I hope he is being looked after and we do not read about his problems in the future.

 

 

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1 hour ago, olisik said:

His experiencing what Tyson experienced. Old inside mids getting priority and him pushed out to the wing because we have failed to draft any decent wingers in the past decade.

I love Angus, but he's been pushed out to the wing because he's not accountable as an inside mid......consequently not happy & a reason for his lack of enthusiasm.  Also your comment about 'old mids'  getting priority......that is so true & is where some of our issues start.

JKH & C Wagner have more than deserved their recall & will provide more enthusiasm & pace. Coaching dept. have no balls.

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3 minutes ago, Laughing Goat said:

I love Angus, but he's been pushed out to the wing because he's not accountable as an inside mid......consequently not happy & a reason for his lack of enthusiasm.  Also your comment about 'old mids'  getting priority......that is so true & is where some of our issues start.

JKH & C Wagner have more than deserved their recall & will provide more enthusiasm & pace. Coaching dept. have no balls.

Kennedy Harris was spudding it up at Casey today. Showing Goodwin what he really is like. Wagner had a very good game. I just don’t ever see him translate it at AFL level. Baker had some good moments today. 

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