Jump to content
  • Podcast:      

Lord Nev

Angus Brayshaw to Fremantle Rumours

Recommended Posts

On 8/26/2019 at 4:53 PM, Moonshadow said:

I said elsewhere that imo only Clarry and Max are untradable.

Don't want Gus to leave, but as long as it improves significantly where we are going and doesn't [censored] us up further. I think Cerra has more upside than Gus

Got to give something to get something.

I understand that bolded sentiment, Moonie, but are we actually improving our list by getting rid of Brayshaw?

It would take a very, very good player for us to receive for it to be worth us offloading Gus.  Yep, Gus' year wasn't as good as the year before, but by heck, he's still a quality player.  I don't think it's as difficult for him to get back to his best compared to the improvement a number of others on our list have to make to get to Gus' 2019 form.

 

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
36 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I understand that bolded sentiment, Moonie, but are we actually improving our list by getting rid of Brayshaw?

It would take a very, very good player for us to receive for it to be worth us offloading Gus.  Yep, Gus' year wasn't as good as the year before, but by heck, he's still a quality player.  I don't think it's as difficult for him to get back to his best compared to the improvement a number of others on our list have to make to get to Gus' 2019 form.

 

I think the only reason you would do it if we could get Hill and Langdon.

Other than that I don't see the point unless we need salary cap relief.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
44 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

I understand that bolded sentiment, Moonie, but are we actually improving our list by getting rid of Brayshaw?

It would take a very, very good player for us to receive for it to be worth us offloading Gus.  Yep, Gus' year wasn't as good as the year before, but by heck, he's still a quality player.  I don't think it's as difficult for him to get back to his best compared to the improvement a number of others on our list have to make to get to Gus' 2019 form.

Sure, I get what you are saying.

However, I think we have a number of good players who best play on the inside. I put Gus in that category, as well as Viney, Oliver and Harmes. Next year Trac should get more midfield time. And we have Swallow coming up too. 

We need outside runners, we have none of any real quality. If we trade Gus + 20 and get Hill and Langdon, I think both parties would be happy. Perhaps some later pick swaps as well to even up trade points value, as I rate Hill above Gus at the moment.

Then there's what we might do with pick 2 (or 3). King from GCS? Or Anderson or Hayden Young in the draft. Or split the pick? Interesting dilemma. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep Gus in the red and blue. But greater than that, I want a better, more balanced list that can return us back into finals and beyond. Having 5 inside mids and sfa outside players will not do this. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

I think the only reason you would do it if we could get Hill and Langdon.

Other than that I don't see the point unless we need salary cap relief.

It would definitely take more than Gus to get Hill and Langdon. IMO pick 20 would probably be included

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

It would definitely take more than Gus to get Hill and Langdon. IMO pick 20 would probably be included

No I understand that. I was more saying there's no point trading him unless we are getting a very good player to fill a hole in our list.

My preference is to keep it though as I think he can become our second best mid behind Viney. I'd like to see Harmes and Petracca play for mid/forward as both are dynamic, with Brayshaw spending the majority of his time in the middle.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

No I understand that. I was more saying there's no point trading him unless we are getting a very good player to fill a hole in our list.

My preference is to keep it though as I think he can become our second best mid behind Viney. I'd like to see Harmes and Petracca play for mid/forward as both are dynamic, with Brayshaw spending the majority of his time in the middle.

Gotcha. I read your post wrong.

Btw, no love for Oliver?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, now that the Blues have missed out on Coniglio, they will be desperate to add another onballer to help Cripps. they dont need more young blokes, they need help for their star player.

Im just throwing this out there as a discussion point, because if we want to get ruthless we have a guilt edged opportunity that could really transform our list in one period: Happy for feedback and debate.

1. Trade Brayshaw to Blues for pick 8 

2. Give our first pick to GWS for 11 & 13

take picks 8, 11 & 13 into the draft /or at least 8 & 11 and use 13 for a good RFA like a Shaun Higgins  as an example(would get 3 years out of him and we need class) and use pick 21 for Langdon.

OUTS: P2(3) 7Braysahw P21(approx)

IN: Pick 8, 11, 13 & Langdon 

This is just a discussion point, some are in the camp of keep Brayshaw, some are trade him? i have wavered every day, right now I'm 50/50 on it. Just putting it out there as an idea, as i said, happy to be shot down.

Edited by Demon3
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

can't trade him because i only picked up the Zurich cups with him on them.

Sorry Mahoney etc.

 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

So, now that the Blues have missed out on Coniglio, they will be desperate to add another onballer to help Cripps. they dont need more young blokes, they need help for their star player.

Im just throwing this out there as a discussion point, because if we want to get ruthless we have a guilt edged opportunity that could really transform our list in one period: Happy for feedbackand debate.

1. Trade Brayshaw to Blues for pick 8 

2. Give our first pick to GWS for 11 & 13

take picks 8, 11 & 13 into the draft /or at least 8 & 11 and use 13 for a good RFA like a Shaun Higgins  as an example(would get 3 years out of him and we need class) and use pick 21 for Langdon.

OUTS: P2(3) 7Braysahw P21(approx)

IN: Pick 8, 11, 13 & Langdon 

This is just a discussion point, some are in the camp of keep Brayshaw, some are trade him? i have wavered every day, right now I'm 50/50 on it. Just putting it out there as an idea, as ai said, happy to be shot down.

I don't like the idea of Brayshaw leaving for a variety of reasons. 

But if a hypothetical came up that resembled yours, I'd take it in a heart beat. 

And I agree with going after Higgins. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, stevethemanjordan said:

I don't like the idea of Brayshaw leaving for a variety of reasons. 

But if a hypothetical came up that resembled yours, I'd take it in a heart beat. 

And I agree with going after Higgins. 

Yeah i hear you, and i think i am the same but some part of me thinks he may not be happy, he might not buy in and should we trade him?his best is obviously really good, but i think he borderline a liability this year. Im very torn on it, and will probably end up really happy if we keep him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/26/2019 at 9:53 AM, rjay said:

If Brayshaw is part of the Langdon deal I would want Cerra in the mix...I reckon he has a lot of upside and Lyon hasn't helped his development to date.

It's a tough one both have plenty of upside and years ahead of them, Brayshaw is so much of what we already have in abundance, whilst Cerra is a good user and decision maker 

Interesting times ahead

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The chances of a player being picked at pick 8 or 9 being as good as Gus are slim.  50-50 chance to get a player that will play 100 games even

I'm backing Gus in 100%.  he is still learning, and will come back hard next year.

only 23yo. played 80 games so he is in the sweet spot over the next 5 years. came 4th in the BnF and 3rd in brownlow last year after missing the first few games!  he is a beauty who had a poor year

  • Like 7
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, DubDee said:

The chances of a player being picked at pick 8 or 9 being as good as Gus are slim.  50-50 chance to get a player that will play 100 games even

I'm backing Gus in 100%.  he is still learning, and will come back hard next year.

only 23yo. played 80 games so he is in the sweet spot over the next 5 years. came 4th in the BnF and 3rd in brownlow last year after missing the first few games!  he is a beauty who had a poor year

This is a really good point and you are right on all accounts

Devils advocate position here, what if Gus isn't happy and he just coasts along? 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

This is a really good point and you are right on all accounts

Devils advocate position here, what if Gus isn't happy and he just coasts along? 

if he is not motivated enough, the LG, coaches and club need to help here. if he is not committed enough that would be dissapointing but I doubt this is case. he has best mates at the club and comes from a strong football family.

he seems driven to me.  I suspect a young player lost confidence when the wheels of the team fell off.  its amazing how bad players can look when a team has lost confidence

to me he battled through the season and still played some good games - still 5th in the demonland POTY. but obviously looked poor at time

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pick 2 & Gus for Hill & Langdon.  Get it done (always wanted to say that! 🤜🏼)

Edited by Rusty Nails

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Pick 2 & Gus for Hill & Langdon.  Get it done (always wanted to say that! 🤜🏼)

I feel we need a little sweetener coming back our way.

Any chance they'd throw in Hogan as steak knives?

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I feel we need a little sweetener coming back our way.

Any chance they'd throw in Hogan as steak knives?

As long as it's his good leg BBP!

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Brayshaw to Freo for pick 6 then send pick 6 to gws for there 2 first round picks 11&13 maybe send some academy points there way. Draft Anderson with pick two and deal or draft with 11 & 13 (Kemp Flanders Stephens) 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, blue and red in the head said:

Brayshaw to Freo for pick 6 then send pick 6 to gws for there 2 first round picks 11&13 maybe send some academy points there way. Draft Anderson with pick two and deal or draft with 11 & 13 (Kemp Flanders Stephens) 

GWS will need points for Toby Green's bro.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, blue and red in the head said:

Brayshaw to Freo for pick 6 then send pick 6 to gws for there 2 first round picks 11&13 maybe send some academy points there way. Draft Anderson with pick two and deal or draft with 11 & 13 (Kemp Flanders Stephens) 

GC will get pic 2 as a priority pic from the afl and will most likely take Anderson. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If Gus's old man ends up as the CEO of Freo, then that'd be the only way he walks (IMO).

Then we'd be waiting on the outcome of the Tim Kelly decision before we knew what they actually have to deal with. BHill going to the Saints is likely to net them pick 7 or 8 depending on the PP and big for Green. Would they then have to split one of those picks with say GWS or Bris to be able to have 7 or 8 plus (13 and 15) or (17 and 21), in that case would they need to give pick 7 plus pick 15 or 21 to the cats for Kelly.

So Freo might only have pick 13 or 17 to trade to us, plus Langdon, would that be enough for Gus? If they don't get Kelly then they'd have picks 7 & 8, would Gus plus 22 equal pick 8 & Langdon? 

 

Edited by Red and Blue realist
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Brayshaw's had a poor year, but I also think Goodwin has played him incorrectly, maybe it was a form of teaching to develop his game but it certainly didn't work. He likes the guts and getting into the packs, I feel like he began to second guess some of his natural instincts and it impacted his confidence.

He's certainly better than what we saw this year, he's one that should be setting himself for a massive off season.

He's a keeper.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Pates said:

Brayshaw's had a poor year, but I also think Goodwin has played him incorrectly, maybe it was a form of teaching to develop his game but it certainly didn't work. He likes the guts and getting into the packs, I feel like he began to second guess some of his natural instincts and it impacted his confidence.

He's certainly better than what we saw this year, he's one that should be setting himself for a massive off season.

He's a keeper.

I think Brayshaws form did start to trend upwards in the last 3-4 games with more centre bounce time. it's pretty clear that is his best position.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Pick 2 & Gus for Hill & Langdon.  Get it done (always wanted to say that! 🤜🏼)

Talk about paying overs 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    SUNSMART by George on the Outer

    If you don’t want to get sunburnt, you follow the Sunsmart rules.  Melbourne took the advice and with their season on the line, avoided getting burnt by the Gold Coast Suns, with a gripping 17 point win. It was a match that could have gone either way, with the sides within a kick of each other for all but the final minutes of the final quarter. Melbourne had stretched the lead earlier in the game to 18 points, but that quickly evaporated to a neck and neck race to the finish.  Finally,

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    NORTH OF THE BORDER by The Oracle

    The outcomes of Melbourne’s recent games against the Gold Coast Suns are a pretty good barometer of how the teams are faring. The Demons easily accounted for them twice in 2018, the last win being a 96-point cakewalk at the MCG in Round 20 when they scored a whopping 21.17.143 to 7.5.47. Ironically, Melbourne’s score of 9.3.57 at the first break that afternoon is leading its highest score for a full game to date this year by 3 points. In those days, they played fast, skillful football, moved th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews 5

    PACK YOUR BAGS by George on The Outer

    The scene was captured by the TV camera’s before the match with a view of the Melbourne side’s bags packed next to the team bus to facilitate their flight up north to the AFL hub where they will play their next matches. However, on the basis of the efforts against Richmond, unless things change, and change rapidly, there will be some who will be told to pack their bags on a more permanent basis. Once again, the supporters got much the same story from this match against Richmond, as

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SOUTH OF THE BORDER by the Oracle

    Thankfully they moved this week’s game from Sydney where the sun shines and the virus breeds ever so slowly and almost nobody returns a positive test. The change of fixture comes at precisely the right time to allow everyone in town to head to the MCG on Sunday at around 3:30pm, not to catch up with what’s going on inside the ground but rather, to do what’s fashionable for woke folk in 2020 — pulling down statues. It’s time for Kevin Bartlett and Leigh Matthews to go but you can’t touch Norm Smi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    LESSONS IN LOSING by George on the Outer

    Turn up for the game and look like you want to win it.  Melbourne lost this game to Geelong, a game after a couple of extended breaks, looking like they were at the end of a 22 game season. Right from the start there was a lack of intensity across the board, as the Demons played exactly the type of game that the ageing Geelong list wanted. Geelong repeatedly played possession footy, to avoid having to run those ageing legs, something that Melbourne failed to exploit.  To use the oft quot

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    QUARRANTINO by Whispering Jack

    At a little after 4.00pm last Saturday, the MCG ceased to be the centre of the AFL universe. That was when the AFL’s el supremo Gil McLaughlin announced that the Bombers’ Conor McKenna had returned a COVID-19 positive result and declared that the game set for the following day between Essendon and Melbourne was postponed.  What followed was truly the stuff of a pulp fiction novel. We witnessed a suitcase load of mental gymnastics and spin calculated to let McKenna (and the Essendon Football

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    WHADDA WE SING? by Whispering Jack

    When the Melbourne team sang “The Grand Old Flag” last Saturday at Marvel Stadium in the absence of skipper Max Gawn, Ed Langford and Adam Tomlinson who were first time winners at their new club and Jayden Hunt, the leading goal kicker of the day it was passed off as an honest mistake. Taken in isolation, it most probably was accidental but the problem is that little accidents have been happening far too often in the club’s recent history and, in this case, it was symptomatic not only of a day t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A POINT OF DIFFERENCE by George on the Outer

    It was Melbourne v Carlton at the comics stadium; a game between 16 and 17 in 2019. How could anyone pick a winner?  There had to be a point of difference, and so it would prove to be as the Demons literally fell over the line at the end, by a solitary point. In an almost complete replica of the Richmond v Collingwood game two nights previously, one of the sides (Melbourne in this case) rushed out to a five goal lead in the first quarter, while the Blues failed to bother the goal umpir

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    EXPOSED FORM by The Oracle

    Carlton fancies itself to beat Melbourne at Marvel Stadium on Saturday and, based on exposed form, why not? The Blues took it right up to the reigning premiers in their last up start and the Demons were simply horrible against the Eagles at Optus Stadium. That opening game of the season revived all of the nightmares of 2019 for a team that went inside the 50 metre arc 45 times, an advantage of 10 times over the home side and yet lost by almost five goals. Such statistics sum it up for a gam

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    SOCIAL DISTANCING by George on the Outer

    It was good to see the MFC players practicing the directives about social distancing at the game against West Coast.  Pity was that they continued to do so after the first bounce of the ball, as they allowed numerous WCE players run around un-hindered, with not a Melbourne player within 1.5 metres of them! They then found themselves looking at nearly a 5 goal deficit at the first break, which was to be essentially the final margin for the game. It is difficult to judge exactly what is going

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    BEST IN SHOW by Whispering Jack

    I am writing this knowing that the AFL has deemed that the opening round of competition will proceed but fully believing that it should not.  The world is going through cataclysmic change as a result of the overwhelming spread of the Covid-19 virus and I agree that a distraction like sport would be good for the public. However, while the physical threat to the population is bad enough, there are other  issues to be addressed including the mental health of the community and the effects on th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    TASSIE DEVILS by Van Demon

    If you were looking for something new from the Demons that wasn’t there last year, you didn’t have to look further than the perfectly trimmed grass surface of UTAS Stadium last night as the team steamrolled the Hawks to record a comprehensive 32-point victory to complete their Marsh Community Series commitments for 2020. One new thing was the fact that for the second Marsh game in a row, the team finished full of running and they dominated the second half without the presence or the dominan

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

×
×
  • Create New...