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Josh Jenkins - I know a lot of you will not agree, but he's a big strong bloke who presents and he's not a favourite son at the crows at the minute. Worth a shot I reckon.

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I'm a fan of Weid, I think he will come good.

Out of left field, I know talls take a while to develop, but what about one of the King twins? Max King has kicked a few in recent weeks in the VFL coming off a knee reco, can see him getting his debut with the Saints soon. Ben King is at the Suns, I think he's played this year but really no idea how he's tracking

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10 minutes ago, JV7 said:

If Weideman was at another club I guarantee a lot on this board would be calling for us to chase him. We saw his potential at the end of last season, he showed improvement on the weekend barring the obvious miss. 

Also people crying we've had no first round draft picks yet calling for us to trade it for a key forward this year... Please. 

TMac & Weideman are not alone on their output from the back end of last year. Chill the F/%k out and give the 11 remaining games a go before calling for these changes

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2 minutes ago, JV7 said:

If Weideman was at another club I guarantee a lot on this board would be calling for us to chase him. We saw his potential at the end of last season

I'd guarantee you the exact opposite. He has been sub-par this year on every metric. He was dropped to Casey for heaven's sake. 

Weid a young tall who needs time, I get it. But let's not kid ourselves that he is setting the world on fire. One impressive game at the end of 2018 does not an AFL key forward yet make.

You'd think some of our supporters enjoy watching this non-event forward line the way they defend poor performances.

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9 minutes ago, MrMoose said:

Josh Jenkins - I know a lot of you will not agree, but he's a big strong bloke who presents and he's not a favourite son at the crows at the minute. Worth a shot I reckon.

Interesting suggestion MrMoose. Jenkins was very consistent from 2014-2018, kicking 40+ goals in each of those seasons. He's 30yo now though and seemingly out of favour at Adelaide but you certainly can't dismiss him out of hand with that resume.

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Weideman will be hitting his straps next year. Another pre-season will do him wonders. McDonald should be good enough to play second fiddle. The thing is, really good forwards are very hard to come by. If Cameron were available we could ask the question, but could we afford him - given he will be chased by every club shall he be open to leaving GWS.

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20 minutes ago, MrMoose said:

Josh Jenkins - I know a lot of you will not agree, but he's a big strong bloke who presents and he's not a favourite son at the crows at the minute. Worth a shot I reckon.

And he can train with OMAC all week to build his confidence.

 

7 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Interesting suggestion MrMoose. Jenkins was very consistent from 2014-2018, kicking 40+ goals in each of those seasons. He's 30yo now though and seemingly out of favour at Adelaide but you certainly can't dismiss him out of hand with that resume.

And despite those great stats, unfortunately people go the lazy 'soft and kicks joe the goose goals' soundbytes for upvotes, to summarize him. Goodwin should be making a call to his manager after seeing his impact first hand last weekend.

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Tex Walker?  

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Classy midfielder would be much higher on the shopping list. Get a mid who can deliver the ball lace out and suddenly weideman and TMac will look at lot better

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43 minutes ago, special robert said:

Tex Walker?  

What has happened to Tex, really strikes me as someone who could do with a change of scenery but after his comments about changing clubs he'd never go. I also like Lever more than I like Tex.

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5 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

I get that many don’t agree on Patton, but he’s not the “only option”. Read the OP - plenty of names there. 

If we end up with pick 5-10 every chance it will come into play for a key forward. Goodwin will be acutely aware that the club can not afford another season like this one. Jobs on the line time.

Ben Brown would be one worth the risk IMO. Are we fair dinkum or just going to play it safe from here? You’ve got to roll the dice.

We won't be using our top Pick for a Key Forward..  nor Ben Brown.  We will be after skilled runners.  All round flank players. Back, centre and forward.

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I’d just get the best forward coach out there. Our boys have no idea what they are doing down there. 

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10 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

I'd guarantee you the exact opposite. He has been sub-par this year on every metric. He was dropped to Casey for heaven's sake. 

Weid a young tall who needs time, I get it. But let's not kid ourselves that he is setting the world on fire. One impressive game at the end of 2018 does not an AFL key forward yet make.

You'd think some of our supporters enjoy watching this non-event forward line the way they defend poor performances.

 

10 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Interesting suggestion MrMoose. Jenkins was very consistent from 2014-2018, kicking 40+ goals in each of those seasons. He's 30yo now though and seemingly out of favour at Adelaide but you certainly can't dismiss him out of hand with that resume.

 

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In general agreement with the OP's theme.

T-mac might have been a one year wonder and gone under the radar a little while Hogan was present.

Weid has potential but might be another Watts.

If you want to win a premiership in a small window that will close in a flash you need to lay down the coin and go hard as you can after the best...

Cameron by a country mile!

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3 hours ago, Paulo said:

a quick classy small crumbing forward is more of a need imo

Agreed but we need both.

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11 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Interesting suggestion MrMoose. Jenkins was very consistent from 2014-2018, kicking 40+ goals in each of those seasons. He's 30yo now though and seemingly out of favour at Adelaide but you certainly can't dismiss him out of hand with that resume.

So you're happy to consider players that are dropped in other teams, but don't rate Weid (or believe that other teams won't rate him either) because we dropped him?

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1 hour ago, Pipefitter said:

I’d just get the best forward coach out there. Our boys have no idea what they are doing down there. 

Get W.Carey.  His comments and insights are spot on. 

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11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Classy midfielder would be much higher on the shopping list. Get a mid who can deliver the ball lace out and suddenly weideman and TMac will look at lot better

We should be throwing absolutely everything we have at Coniglio... But alas, if he does move it'll be the dorks or Geelong possibly Carlton if they offer him 2 mil a year or something crazy. 

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If we could get someone like Patton for a bargain then I'd be happy for the club to take the risk. Unfortunately when there are other clubs interested that drives up the price, I don't want to have to out bid Hawthorn just to see him get injured.

But I still think we need a reliable small/medium forward more than we need a key. Both Tom and Sam are capable at AFL level, if not Superstars. But if we had an X-factor at their feet we night be able to start taking advantage of the 100s of times they crash the pack and cause a ground ball. Players like TMac, Weid, Trac and Melk are ok for a core but we need a genuine star in that forwardline.  

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1 hour ago, In Harmes Way said:

So you're happy to consider players that are dropped in other teams, but don't rate Weid (or believe that other teams won't rate him either) because we dropped him?

I'm happy to consider anyone with proven ability at the level. I have not written off Weid but so far even the wildest optimist would agree he is unproven. The Demons are no longer in development mode. We have built and recruited for a flag not to wait around forever for a young key tall to blossom. Weideman has barely shown enough at Casey to merit senior games for Melbourne.

I personally wouldn't go for Jenkins btw but no doubt clubs will be discussing him. We can do better than him.

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11 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Weideman has barely shown enough at Casey to merit senior games for Melbourne.

That is only your opinion

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I will add that Weideman would benefit immensely from the presence of a new key forward in the team. As would TMac. Both suddenly get heat taken away from them and TMac is released to use his engine as a roaming forward with license to lead as high up as the wing. It's a no brainer.

We can solve BOTH the key forward and small forward issues at this trade/draft period but we might have to get a little creative.

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What happened to our rich tradition of keeping an effective jackaninny parked around the goal square (Mark Jackson, Allen Jakovich, Russell Robertson)?

Bring back the lairiser. Secure the next handstander. Summon our next goal kicking goose. 

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