Key forwards - let's go shopping!

[Superunknown 3,307]

23 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Tom MacDonald is a neocon who goes to Jordan Peterson conferences and does podcasts with the Institute Of Public Affairs. This is something I was willing to overlook when he was a half-decent footy player, but I can’t actually stand looking at the guy now that he sucks harder than a flagship-model Hoover. 

You lost me at IPA.

Trade.

[Superunknown 3,307]

2 hours ago, Superunknown said:

You lost me at IPA.

Trade.

(not that there's anything wrong with hearing counterpoints from Peterson but the IPA is a bridge too far. )

[dazzledavey36 48,642]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Do you understand how contracts in the AFL work?

 

They legit wont trade him after re-signing him. Yes contracts work in a funny way but they simply wont do it.

If he is in this position in 2 years time when he is OOC then yes lets look at it.

Weideman aint going anywhere. 

[dazzledavey36 48,642]

The Steven May suggestion up forward is an interesting one.

I remember i watched his under 18s game live for Northen Territory back in 2009 at Marvel Stadium. He was playing as a full forward and he was charging out and splitting packs in the same way as our very own David Neitz.

I walked away thinking i just witnessed a future superstar power forward in the making.

[P-man 13,154]

26 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

(not that there's anything wrong with hearing counterpoints from Peterson but the IPA is a bridge too far. )

Agreed. I’ve been mourning his momentum killing presence for weeks now, but the IPA? The [censored] outta here. See ya Tommy boy.

Wishful thinking of course. We have many more weeks left watching him “compete” by jumping two feet off the ground while impersonating an inflatable tube man.

I like the May forward suggestion. He’s a proper footballer and very mobile for a big man. Trial him up the other end of the ground once Lever comes back.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Pick 2 and 20 to GWS for pick 9, 17 and Jon Patton (pending medical)

Petracca to Port Adelaide for pick 13

Weideman to Sydney for pick 25

Pick 17 to Freo for Brad Hill

Pick 25 to Freo for Ed Langdon

Pick 13 to GCSuns for Jack Martin

Pick 9 best available 18yo at draft (maybe small forward Caleb Serong)

Out: Pick 2, 20, Petracca, Weideman

In: Patton, B.Hill, J.Martin, Langdon, Serong

 

___________________________________________________________________________

 

B: Hibberd May Salem

HB: Hunt Lever Langdon

Cr: Fritsch Oliver B.Hill

HF: Serong T.McDonald J.Martin

F: Melksham Patton Lockhart

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Jones Harmes Baker Hore

 

Pass the crack pipe.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Matsuo Basho

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 minute ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Pass the crack pipe.

Think you've already had your turn by the looks of it.

 

[ProperDee 1,698]

8 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Pick 2 and 20 to GWS for pick 9, 17 and Jon Patton (pending medical)

Petracca to Port Adelaide for pick 13

Weideman to Sydney for pick 25

Pick 17 to Freo for Brad Hill

Pick 25 to Freo for Ed Langdon

Pick 13 to GCSuns for Jack Martin

Pick 9 best available 18yo at draft (maybe small forward Caleb Serong)

Out: Pick 2, 20, Petracca, Weideman

In: Patton, B.Hill, J.Martin, Langdon, Serong

 

___________________________________________________________________________

 

B: Hibberd May Salem

HB: Hunt Lever Langdon

Cr: Fritsch Oliver B.Hill

HF: Serong T.McDonald J.Martin

F: Melksham Patton Lockhart

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Jones Harmes Baker Hore

 

Pass the crack pipe.

No room for perhaps the best small defender in the comp? N. Jetta.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 minute ago, ProperDee said:

No room for perhaps the best small defender in the comp? N. Jetta.

Pains me to say it as I rate Nev but I think he's nearly done. 

[Mel Bourne 3,596]

17 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Pains me to say it as I rate Nev but I think he's nearly done. 

Surely he’ll have another period in the sun. He was such an instrumental part of last year’s finals campaign. 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

4 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Surely he’ll have another period in the sun. He was such an instrumental part of last year’s finals campaign. 

He was brilliant. Although I felt against the very top sides his lack of pace cost us at times. He’s not on his own there, though. He will need to push out Hore from the starting back six, who I think has that touch more zip and agility.

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Pick 2 and 20 to GWS for pick 9, 17 and Jon Patton (pending medical)

Petracca to Port Adelaide for pick 13

Weideman to Sydney for pick 25

Pick 17 to Freo for Brad Hill

Pick 25 to Freo for Ed Langdon

Pick 13 to GCSuns for Jack Martin

Pick 9 best available 18yo at draft (maybe small forward Caleb Serong)

Out: Pick 2, 20, Petracca, Weideman

In: Patton, B.Hill, J.Martin, Langdon, Serong

 

___________________________________________________________________________

 

B: Hibberd May Salem

HB: Hunt Lever Langdon

Cr: Fritsch Oliver B.Hill

HF: Serong T.McDonald J.Martin

F: Melksham Patton Lockhart

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Jones Harmes Baker Hore

 

Pass the crack pipe.

fun to think about but no in a million years would this happen. no-one is ever this active. 

Petracca isnt going anywhere. Either is weideman. we just signed him up. and brad hill is worth more than pick 17.  

serong isnt what we need. he isnt super quick and just yet another inside mid like tom sparrow, albeit better skills. 

Langdon I do think we desperately need. I agree on Jetta, I think his lack of speed is not going to prolong his career.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Dr.D

[whatwhat say what 18,779]

serong is a mid-paced inside mid, not a small forward

you're way underrating brad hill, and potentially ed langdon, not to mention petracca and weideman

[ArtificialWisdom 3,844]

2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Pick 2 and 20 to GWS for pick 9, 17 and Jon Patton (pending medical)

Petracca to Port Adelaide for pick 13

Weideman to Sydney for pick 25

Pick 17 to Freo for Brad Hill

Pick 25 to Freo for Ed Langdon

Pick 13 to GCSuns for Jack Martin

Pick 9 best available 18yo at draft (maybe small forward Caleb Serong)

Out: Pick 2, 20, Petracca, Weideman

In: Patton, B.Hill, J.Martin, Langdon, Serong

 

___________________________________________________________________________

 

B: Hibberd May Salem

HB: Hunt Lever Langdon

Cr: Fritsch Oliver B.Hill

HF: Serong T.McDonald J.Martin

F: Melksham Patton Lockhart

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Jones Harmes Baker Hore

 

Pass the crack pipe.

If we got Brad Hill and Jack Martin that would almost be enough. We have the grunt to support them. Guaranteed Weid will be a better forward with Hill or Martin kicking it to him instead of ANB. That said we have a snowballs chance in hell of getting either of them. We're just going to get Langdon instead who can run but is no more reliable by foot than Stretch.

[Demon Disciple 10,902]

2 hours ago, Dr.D said:

Langdon I do think we desperately need.

Of his 26 disposals on the weekend , only 9 were effective. Wouldn't want to cough up much for him.

[dimmy 1,108]

38 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Of his 26 disposals on the weekend , only 9 were effective. Wouldn't want to cough up much for him.

No, he would fit in really well. CAtchibg Gus'look-away handballs !!

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

3 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Pick 2 and 20 to GWS for pick 9, 17 and Jon Patton (pending medical)

Petracca to Port Adelaide for pick 13

Weideman to Sydney for pick 25

Pick 17 to Freo for Brad Hill

Pick 25 to Freo for Ed Langdon

Pick 13 to GCSuns for Jack Martin

Pick 9 best available 18yo at draft (maybe small forward Caleb Serong)

Out: Pick 2, 20, Petracca, Weideman

In: Patton, B.Hill, J.Martin, Langdon, Serong

 

___________________________________________________________________________

 

B: Hibberd May Salem

HB: Hunt Lever Langdon

Cr: Fritsch Oliver B.Hill

HF: Serong T.McDonald J.Martin

F: Melksham Patton Lockhart

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Jones Harmes Baker Hore

 

Pass the crack pipe.

Overpaying for Patton who might not ever be up to regular AFL footy and at the bare minimum will always be a poor defensive player.

Selling Weideman for a team that would have no interest in him - they have Reid, McCartin and Blakey and have to keep paying Buddy for a few more years.

Under paying for Brad Hill who is contracted and Freo have no incentive to trade unless it's a whopping offer.

Trading out Petracca for Jack Martin which in every possible way is a sideways or even backwards move.

Chucking a couple of ball butchers at half back in Langdon and Hunt, where does Jones play in this creative team? At least put Langdon on the wing, move Salem up and add in Jetta or Frost to provide some defensive oomph. 

Not bringing in a specialist pressure small forward, relying on a first round draft pick to play half forward. One who is 178cm as well.

The Langdon trade makes sense, as does the idea of bringing in a good first round draft pick who can provide some class in the forward half. The rest is pretty fanciful. 

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The Steven May suggestion up forward is an interesting one.

I remember i watched his under 18s game live for Northen Territory back in 2009 at Marvel Stadium. He was playing as a full forward and he was charging out and splitting packs in the same way as our very own David Neitz.

I walked away thinking i just witnessed a future superstar power forward in the making.

I saw him play a school game at the MCG and he looked like the best bits of Roughead and Franklin combined but I think the reality is he reads the play and competes better down back than as a forward. Plus we got him to finally sure up our backline, do we want to suddenly have that be the issue.

I'm still a believer in the Collingwood, Richmond (pre this year), Geelong style model that you don't need 2 dominant big blokes. 1 quality tall is probably enough, as part of 2-3 guys who can win one on ones or create goals is a good start. Doesn't matter so much if they are big, medium or small and then get a group of 7 forwards who can work together in attack or defensively.

 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

13 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Overpaying for Patton who might not ever be up to regular AFL footy and at the bare minimum will always be a poor defensive player.

Selling Weideman for a team that would have no interest in him - they have Reid, McCartin and Blakey and have to keep paying Buddy for a few more years.

Under paying for Brad Hill who is contracted and Freo have no incentive to trade unless it's a whopping offer.

Trading out Petracca for Jack Martin which in every possible way is a sideways or even backwards move.

Chucking a couple of ball butchers at half back in Langdon and Hunt, where does Jones play in this creative team? At least put Langdon on the wing, move Salem up and add in Jetta or Frost to provide some defensive oomph. 

Not bringing in a specialist pressure small forward, relying on a first round draft pick to play half forward. One who is 178cm as well.

The Langdon trade makes sense, as does the idea of bringing in a good first round draft pick who can provide some class in the forward half. The rest is pretty fanciful. 

If you suggested any of those trades to supporters of rival clubs they would probably be just as vehemently against them as you are, only for reasons based on favourable opinions of their players. 

Its all subjective. At the end of the day you have to approach something resembling a middle ground.

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

If we're looking for potential bargains to get some depth in the key forward group there's a couple of options who are out of contract.

1. Wylie Buzza (Geel) - 18 goals in 9 VFL games. Big forward/ruck type.

2. Zach Sproule (GWS)  - 19 goals in 7 NEAFL games. 31 goals last year.

Given both are well down the pecking order they might be available cheaply. 

[DeeSpencer 23,058]

5 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

If you suggested any of those trades to supporters of rival clubs they would probably be just as vehemently against them as you are, only for reasons based on favourable opinions of their players. 

Its all subjective. At the end of the day you have to approach something resembling a middle ground.

Involving pick 2 in any deal for Patton who's a big lump with a broken body when the Giants are probably keen to get his contract out the door isn't overrating or underrating him. It's just common sense to say let's not get a great draft pick involved in a deal for Patton. Didn't we learn from the Tyson trade? Patton's trade value should be in line with Scully's.

Similarly I'm saying you aren't rating Hill enough! Pick 17 isn't the middle ground there. Especially if Freo lost Langdon they aren't about to say sure, you can have Hill for cheap.

Weideman I agree his value is about pick 25, but finding a team willing to give that up (it won't be Sydney) and finding a replacement for him is the harder thing.

Martin for Petracca I can see the equivalent value but I can't see how that helps us. We need more quality in the forward half. If we traded one for another we'd still need to draft more. Better to keep the guy we have and draft a Martin.

 

[olisik 4,060]

5 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Pick 2 and 20 to GWS for pick 9, 17 and Jon Patton (pending medical)

Petracca to Port Adelaide for pick 13

Weideman to Sydney for pick 25

Pick 17 to Freo for Brad Hill

Pick 25 to Freo for Ed Langdon

Pick 13 to GCSuns for Jack Martin

Pick 9 best available 18yo at draft (maybe small forward Caleb Serong)

Out: Pick 2, 20, Petracca, Weideman

In: Patton, B.Hill, J.Martin, Langdon, Serong

 

___________________________________________________________________________

 

B: Hibberd May Salem

HB: Hunt Lever Langdon

Cr: Fritsch Oliver B.Hill

HF: Serong T.McDonald J.Martin

F: Melksham Patton Lockhart

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Jones Harmes Baker Hore

 

Pass the crack pipe.

Love the endeavour and ignore the posters who spend all day being negative trying to poke holes in this. I rate this however would consider a Himmelberg or Finlayson instead of Patton and also would entertain trading our 2020 first rounder + Brayshaw to try get back into the top 5 as well.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

14 minutes ago, olisik said:

Love the endeavour and ignore the posters who spend all day being negative trying to poke holes in this. I rate this however would consider a Himmelberg or Finlayson instead of Patton and also would entertain trading our 2020 first rounder + Brayshaw to try get back into the top 5 as well.

Like it Olisik. Personally I wouldn't trade Gus though. Petracca's the one.

I never have an issue with the criticism. It's the lack of creativity coming back the other way that grinds. Anyone can be an art or a food critic. Getting behind the easel or serving up one of your own recipes - that commands respect!

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Scenario B:

Trade Petracca to Port for pick 13 

Trade Weideman to Hawthorn for pick 26

Trade pick 13 and pick 26 to North for Ben Brown

Trade pick 20 to Freo for Brad Hill

Trade 2020 first round pick to Richmond for Jack Higgins (*banking on this pick being around 12 - 14*)

Pick 2 - Noah Anderson

 

Out: Pick 2, Petracca, Weideman, Pick 20, 2020 first rounder

In: Anderson, Brown, B.Hill, Higgins

 

B: Hore May Frost

HB: Hibberd Lever Salem

Cr: Hunt Oliver B.Hill

HF: Anderson T.McDonald Fritsch

F: J.Higgins Brown  Melksham

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Harmes Baker Jones Lockhart

 

End of 2020 target Free Agent: Jack Darling 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Matsuo Basho

[Ethan Tremblay 28,288]

58 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Scenario B:

Trade Petracca to Port for pick 13 

Trade Weideman to Hawthorn for pick 26

Trade pick 13 and pick 26 to North for Ben Brown

Trade pick 20 to Freo for Brad Hill

Trade 2020 first round pick to Richmond for Jack Higgins (*banking on this pick being around 12 - 14*)

Jack Higgins worth a first round pick? He had a decent 2018 and has done nothing this season, he was even dropped for the latest round. Perhaps we could get a late first round pick for Spargo? 

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=4150&fid1=C&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&pid2=6465&fid2=C&type=A

I imagine North would laugh at those picks for Ben Brown, he’s currently coming third in the Coleman. If he played for us what would you want for him? 

I think pick 20 is around the mark for Brad Hill but I think Fremantle would want more. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Ethan Tremblay