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10 hours ago, DeeZee said:

I shouted out ,”Ya hairy [censored]!”,yesterday a few times and didn’t get kicked out.

Well, you couldn't have been talking about Maggots because they don't have "hair".

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12 hours ago, binman said:

Worthy of a permanent ban from this site. Xenophobia a clear breach of the code of conduct and someone with such a pathetic world view isn't going to change.

 

I would like to have banned from demonland anyone who has any sort of phobia, not just the popular ones either. I would especially love to see excluded those who suffer from hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia. I hate those people.

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20 hours ago, daisycutter said:

still thought it a trip. one angle seemed much more clear. remember anything below the waist is illegal (tripping)

I think he dropped the ball before he was tripped. One of the quirks of the rules of our great game is that for some offences, the first rule breach applies; for others, a subsequent breach applies, and I don't think there's any science to it. It's just what the umpire decides on the day. For example, in this case if I'm correct and Hore had dropped the ball before he was tripped, the first rule breach was penalised. On the other hand, how many times on Saturday did we see a player caught holding the ball but receive a free for a subsequent push in the back when he collapsed from the tackle? 

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6 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think he dropped the ball before he was tripped. One of the quirks of the rules of our great game is that for some offences, the first rule breach applies; for others, a subsequent breach applies, and I don't think there's any science to it. It's just what the umpire decides on the day. For example, in this case if I'm correct and Hore had dropped the ball before he was tripped, the first rule breach was penalised. On the other hand, how many times on Saturday did we see a player caught holding the ball but receive a free for a subsequent push in the back when he collapsed from the tackle? 

yes, that's probably/possibly true. haven't gone back and replayed it intensely to check

talking of a free being reversed for an opposite free, i've always thought that the second free should just cancel the original free, resulting in a ball-up. otherwise it is effectively a double penalty. i even have a recollection back in my dim history that this was how it was adjudicated (i.e. a ball-up) but i probably just dreamt that

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3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

yes, that's probably/possibly true. haven't gone back and replayed it intensely to check

talking of a free being reversed for an opposite free, i've always thought that the second free should just cancel the original free, resulting in a ball-up. otherwise it is effectively a double penalty. i even have a recollection back in my dim history that this was how it was adjudicated (i.e. a ball-up) but i probably just dreamt that

I seem to recall many more ball-ups in the past when there was a possibility of a free being awarded both ways. I suspect the powers that be would rather that a free kick be paid to avoid the ugliness that ball-ups tend to bring to the game so have instructed the umpires to pay a free whenever possible.

And here's some free advice for the AFL. To get rid of some of the ugliness in the game, get rid of the ruckman being nominated. Too often the game is delayed, particularly for boundary throw-ins, while the field umpires wait for the lumbering nominated ruckmen to arrive. Another problem occurred in Saturday's game, too. Viney had to run away from a short boundary throw in rather than do the intuitively smarter play which would have been to just grab the ball and play on. If he'd done that, he would have been penalised for not being the nominated ruckman.    

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Melbourne get "play on's" from frees just when they are about to be caught....Fact.

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On 6/18/2019 at 9:32 PM, Dame Gaga said:

I heard some of Gil's press conference at 2pm today. He sure doesn't like being asked questions by journalists. He got very defensive and bristled at suggestions the fans were upset by the presence of the security guards patrolling the aisles. He said this practice had always been going on, for 20 years! and he made no apologies for making the football safe and family friendly. Well yes Gil, the security have been doing their little patrols from time to time (usually in the first quarter then you don't see them again), but not like we have seen lately. They look like prison guards keeping an eye on the trouble makers who may be a bit loud. 

He kept harping on about how it was the AFL's responsibility to make sure going to the football was a safe and family friendly experience. Then in nearly the same breath he placed the blame on the stadium management for being heavy handed. Which is it?

Yes, we agree it should be a safe and enjoyable environment, but you don't squash a flea with a wrecking ball. 

Here's a thought Gil. I have said it before and I will say it again. Increase the amount of alcohol free areas for fans, and do not have the alcohol areas immediately above the non alcohol areas, or we have fans being abused from above from others who have been fed too much alcohol. Perhaps alcohol should not be sold in the last quarter, because towards the end of the game the trouble seems to start.

Ideally alcohol should be banned altogether, just as smoking was. But that would mean a loss of money wouldn't it? Making football safe and family friendly? Sounds like lip service to me. Politician speak. The bottom line is always money.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin. 

And before anyone asks - yes, beer is absolutely an essential liberty. End of story. 

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15 minutes ago, Smokey said:

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin. 

And before anyone asks - yes, beer is absolutely an essential liberty. End of story. 

But alcoholic beer is not.<%: Product.Name %>The name says it all 

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24 minutes ago, ManDee said:

But alcoholic beer is not.<%: Product.Name %>The name says it all 

These would have been hilarious if Carlton ended up with 0 wins for the season

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1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I seem to recall many more ball-ups in the past when there was a possibility of a free being awarded both ways. I suspect the powers that be would rather that a free kick be paid to avoid the ugliness that ball-ups tend to bring to the game so have instructed the umpires to pay a free whenever possible.

And here's some free advice for the AFL. To get rid of some of the ugliness in the game, get rid of the ruckman being nominated. Too often the game is delayed, particularly for boundary throw-ins, while the field umpires wait for the lumbering nominated ruckmen to arrive. Another problem occurred in Saturday's game, too. Viney had to run away from a short boundary throw in rather than do the intuitively smarter play which would have been to just grab the ball and play on. If he'd done that, he would have been penalised for not being the nominated ruckman.    

if he did touch it and it was a bad thrown in then common sense says ump should just order a new throw in. yeah i know common sense is a strange concept to the afl

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1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

if he did touch it and it was a bad thrown in then common sense says ump should just order a new throw in. yeah i know common sense is a strange concept to the afl

But that would be logical. Earlier this year I remember a game where a short throw-in was grabbed by someone other than a nominated ruckman and in so doing gave away a free kick. I can't remember the game or even whether Melbourne was involved.

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Posters who thought some security guards at Marvel were on student visas are on the money: security-guards-banned-over-alleged-accreditation-fraud:

"Some of Marvel Stadium’s controversial crowd controllers are among hundreds of security guards who have had their licences suspended as part of an alleged fraud...about 400 guards working across the security industry over allegations that “false, forged and/or fraudulently obtained documentation” was used to obtain their security licences."

"Industry sources say many of the guards were on international student visas and required further references to obtain accreditation to work in the industry...Instead of doing that, they are said to have paid hundreds of dollars to a man police are now trying to locate who allegedly helped them falsify applications".

Kennett's racial stereotyping comments were totally inappropriate but reading "It's become a joke really. You've got registered training organisations churning out graduates who can't even use a radio, let alone defuse a dangerous situation...“And a lot of the foreign blokes don't have any English [language skills], which makes it hard for them to deal with crowds," the source said" ...makes you wonder if he knew something was up.  

Regardless of ethnicity, it looks like training of security guards leaves a lot to be desired.  Could be dangerous for all concerned if scuffles break out and get out of control.

So much for the due diligence by the AFL and Marvel management into who they contract with. 

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Posters who thought some security guards at Marvel were on student visas are on the money: security-guards-banned-over-alleged-accreditation-fraud:

"Some of Marvel Stadium’s controversial crowd controllers are among hundreds of security guards who have had their licences suspended as part of an alleged fraud...about 400 guards working across the security industry over allegations that “false, forged and/or fraudulently obtained documentation” was used to obtain their security licences."

"Industry sources say many of the guards were on international student visas and required further references to obtain accreditation to work in the industry...Instead of doing that, they are said to have paid hundreds of dollars to a man police are now trying to locate who allegedly helped them falsify applications".

Kennett's racial stereotyping comments were totally inappropriate but reading "It's become a joke really. You've got registered training organisations churning out graduates who can't even use a radio, let alone defuse a dangerous situation...“And a lot of the foreign blokes don't have any English [language skills], which makes it hard for them to deal with crowds," the source said" ...makes you wonder if he knew something was up.  

Regardless of ethnicity, it looks like training of security guards leaves a lot to be desired.  Could be dangerous for all concerned if scuffles break out and get out of control.

So much for the due diligence by the AFL and Marvel management into who they contract with. 

This is no surprise.

Generally there has been a lowering of standards across the board in many occupations. 

It not only applies to training and education standards but also regulatory authorities.

There is a great deal of pressure to pass students or grant registrations in many occupations due to the business driven (profit) ethic that now applies and due to bureaucratic corruption or manipulation. 

For many overseas students and workers there is an expectation that if you pay for a course or certificate you will pass or be accredited. If this does not happen , there are claims that the particular person or group is being discriminated due to race. 

Security has been notorious for many years. Many security guards are only guards in name. They have little or no training and many would run the other way to avoid confrontation.  Cultural differences are also relevant in how individuals behave in any given situation.

But the problem applies in most sectors with a general lowering of standards to accommodate individuals and groups. 

 

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3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Posters who thought some security guards at Marvel were on student visas are on the money: security-guards-banned-over-alleged-accreditation-fraud:

"Some of Marvel Stadium’s controversial crowd controllers are among hundreds of security guards who have had their licences suspended as part of an alleged fraud...about 400 guards working across the security industry over allegations that “false, forged and/or fraudulently obtained documentation” was used to obtain their security licences."

"Industry sources say many of the guards were on international student visas and required further references to obtain accreditation to work in the industry...Instead of doing that, they are said to have paid hundreds of dollars to a man police are now trying to locate who allegedly helped them falsify applications".

Kennett's racial stereotyping comments were totally inappropriate but reading "It's become a joke really. You've got registered training organisations churning out graduates who can't even use a radio, let alone defuse a dangerous situation...“And a lot of the foreign blokes don't have any English [language skills], which makes it hard for them to deal with crowds," the source said" ...makes you wonder if he knew something was up.  

Regardless of ethnicity, it looks like training of security guards leaves a lot to be desired.  Could be dangerous for all concerned if scuffles break out and get out of control.

So much for the due diligence by the AFL and Marvel management into who they contract with. 

I'm not sure if Acquire Learning still functions, but wouldn't it be amusing (or not) if there was a link between this story and Acquire, given the role Andrew Demetriou had at Acquire. 

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