Jump to content

JV7

Looking Forward 2020 & Beyond

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

We could get a pick between 10 - 20 for Petracca. Probably about the same for Angus if we’re brutally honest.

I would seriously look at trading out Petracca if it means we can lure a Ben Brown or Jon Patton to the club. 

You’ve got to give to get. I would trade the Petracca pick and our 2020 first rounder for Brown. Change the whole complexion of our side.

Trade...  Petracca for Langdon..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Here’s what MFC need for 2020 & beyond:

1) Continuity in playing list: 

this is clearly biggest issue and starts now re addressing ALL surgeries on spot to minimise off season inj and ensure better pre season continuity and lack of players missing blocks and sessions ala entire mid group this year.

 

2) Ground Ball & Pressure players up forward:

This is MASSIVE and biggest single diff to Late last year statistically. cats lead comp in all 5 key stats around this we rank 11-16th in same 5 categories. Scoring from fwd pressure, score diff from turnover, score conv per i50, Score diff from post clearance, ground ball get count. 

Kyle Dunkley is already a good start in this direction as is Chandler & as will Vanders be and J Smith & Hannan when fully integrated and has when has help.

Recruiting Targets: 

these are the type of players we need..

Gryan Miers, Dahlhaus, Josh Thomas, B.Mihocek, Castagna, Mason Wood, Zurhaar, K.Turner, Jenkins, Zak Jones, Liam Ryan, Sheed.

We desp need FINISHERS (Jenkins for example, quality finisher) & Ground ball players. Petracca is elite ground ball and he’s literally ALL awe have right now. Vanders will help, Chandler too & Dunkley as mentioned but we need help & need converters or we will likely never get improvement on i50 conversion cus we kick 70.99-18(non score misses) in last 6 weeks and it’s just awful. We don’t need huge names - we need them type as per deficiencies not as per what Melb supporters decide we want cus they know sweet FA From what I read and hear.

 

We need entry 50 help too but I blv we have much to return in this area ie players already mentioned, Melksham, KK & others.

 

3) Maturity hedge gap between best and worst in areas of skill. We invite pressure atm and knowing WHEN to slow and when to play fast is another huge issue without runners now.

 

fix all this and we WILL contend, fact!

 

PS: seeing our backline area with May & Lever yest was AWESOME! I can’t wait to see these to after 5 let alone 15 games together, it’s gonna be insanely good Lever mark yest showes what he can do and May was good in small and tall - they’ll take some scalps that’s for sure!!!

 

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, DV8 said:

Trade...  Petracca for Langdon..

You guys are so bloody idiotic and DELUDED - He’s our best young player by FAR overall in upside and our ONLY elite groundball player. Seriously you ppl scare living [censored] out of me sometimes. 

  • Like 7
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Trade...  Petracca for Langdon..

Hahah this clown for real?? ☝️

  • Shocked 1
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

You cannot get rid of Maynard, JKH and Stretch unless you want to decimate the mid field depth.

One or two need to stay... they are depth

Agreed, we have to keep our Gut runners at the moment,  until we have other hard runners,  who can take their places. ANB, JKH, 

Not sure about stretch ?

 

Maynard...  If Viney was hurt, couldn't play,  I think Maynard would come into calculations.

We need to give Maynard a number of games, to see what he offers.

Same with Petracca,  play him in the Pivot.  see what he offers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So hes all that according to you, yet you actually still expect a 1st rounder?

Ok.......

Steven May says hi 

We can play the same card with Free Agents now and let them walk for max compo unless teams are willing to pay overs for a guaranteed trade.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, olisik said:

Steven May says hi 

We can play the same card with Free Agents now and let them walk for max compo unless teams are willing to pay overs for a guaranteed trade.

Honestly mate when has Melbourne became that ruthless...

If the club was ever going to consider trading Viney ( which i doubt they would) he would only net a 2nd rounder. Limited footballer who plays one position and thats it. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Some good points on this thread.

Point noted about trading out too much depth.  25% list turnover in 1 year is drastic (rebuild!!), so the 12 players I identified would ideally be phased out over 2 years (6 this year and 6 next year, depending on performances and length of contracts etc.)

Regarding trading Angus Brayshaw.  He gets a lot of the ball when playing in his preferred position of inside midfielder, but is often sloppy with his disposal and turns the ball over.  If we could get a first round draft pick for him I’d take it.  Perhaps Carlton (support for Patrick Cripps) or Fremantle (join his brother Andrew) would be interested?  Unfortunately Carlton’s first 2019 National draft pick is tied to Adelaide’s finishing position!

That would give us 2 first round draft picks (our first round 1 National draft picks since 2015 when we picked up Oliver and Weideman).

Petracca shows glimpses of his talent but has never really dominated a game, so I can understand people being frustrated with him.  I’d stick with him, but if we did trade him and get a future first round pick it could be good business (thus going into the 2020 National draft with 2 first round draft picks).

The only untouchables from a trade point of view for me are Gawn, Oliver, Lever, May, Salem, though I’d be happy to retain all of my best 22 that I posted earlier. 

From a playing point of view I just think we need to be at the pointy end of the draft so that we can land someone like Connor Rozee, Aaron Naughton, Tim Taranto etc.  There is always a risk (Morton, Toumpas) but we did well with our last crack at it in 2015.

From a football department point of view there are other areas of concern to address, one being our inability to adapt to the new 666 starting positions (a key part of our excellent month of football at the end of 2018 was starting with 1 or 2 off the back of the square).  Another is the expectation that winning the contest and winning the clearances wins games of football.  It can help but doesn’t guarantee it; at the end of the day football is won or lost on the scoreboard.  From what I have seen when attending training any goal kicking practice is performed in as far from match like conditions as possible.  Sure you can never fully replicate the pressure experienced on game day, but at least you can replicate some of the physical attributes like a gut busting 100m run to get into a goal scoring position to take a mark and then go back and have a shot at goal.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Nudge said:

You guys are so bloody idiotic and DELUDED - He’s our best young player by FAR overall in upside and our ONLY elite groundball player. Seriously you ppl scare living [censored] out of me sometimes. 

Oliver is our best young player (He’s younger and a star in the making).

This situation is all too familiar for the club and it’s supporters. 

Watts : I was in the “don’t trade him” camp but quickly got over that. We played him too early, didn’t develop him, played him out of position, then it was the coach. Every new game/season was going to be the one when he reached his potential. We held him too long, got Fritsch who I don’t think we’ve seen the best of yet but had we moved earlier could of got more.

Hogan : I was vocal early last season on trading him was happy when a deal was reached. I couldn’t buy into the whole “he’s  kicked 40+ goals two years in a row, hes the best young fwd in the comp garbage “, because he couldn’t take a pack mark, struggled for accuracy when not directly in front and failed to dominate a top 8 side. We moved at exactly the right time and got May. 

 

Petracca : We’re still waiting for a break out game, still waiting for him to tear a game apart. Still waiting for any kind of real consistency. He’s done nothing as a fwd, give him the rest of the season playing on the ball. Based on his performance over the remaining games should determine whether he is traded or not. We can look to blame Goodwin, McCartney or any of the line coaches or acknowledge that we may have another high draft pick bust on our hands. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Hogan : I was vocal early last season on trading him was happy when a deal was reached. I couldn’t buy into the whole “he’s  kicked 40+ goals two years in a row, hes the best young fwd in the comp garbage “, because he couldn’t take a pack mark, struggled for accuracy when not directly in front and failed to dominate a top 8 side. We moved at exactly the right time and got May. 

I note with some concern that Hogan tops the current list for the biggest drop in form in the entire AFL competition

He is currently minus 59%

But vs us in a few weeks  miraculous 6 goals plus. Time to visit sportsbet again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)
19 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Oliver is our best young player (He’s younger and a star in the making).

This situation is all too familiar for the club and it’s supporters. 

Watts : I was in the “don’t trade him” camp but quickly got over that. We played him too early, didn’t develop him, played him out of position, then it was the coach. Every new game/season was going to be the one when he reached his potential. We held him too long, got Fritsch who I don’t think we’ve seen the best of yet but had we moved earlier could of got more.

Hogan : I was vocal early last season on trading him was happy when a deal was reached. I couldn’t buy into the whole “he’s  kicked 40+ goals two years in a row, hes the best young fwd in the comp garbage “, because he couldn’t take a pack mark, struggled for accuracy when not directly in front and failed to dominate a top 8 side. We moved at exactly the right time and got May. 

 

Petracca : We’re still waiting for a break out game, still waiting for him to tear a game apart. Still waiting for any kind of real consistency. He’s done nothing as a fwd, give him the rest of the season playing on the ball. Based on his performance over the remaining games should determine whether he is traded or not. We can look to blame Goodwin, McCartney or any of the line coaches or acknowledge that we may have another high draft pick bust on our hands. 

IF you go back and look over his U18 video clip of Petracca...  prior to his being drafted,  you can see how much of an advantage he enjoyed by being BIG,  compared to the other players in his draft years.

On 6/10/2019 at 7:27 PM, DV8 said:

 

Edited by DV8
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 hours ago, Nudge said:

You guys are so bloody idiotic and DELUDED - He’s our best young player by FAR overall in upside and our ONLY elite groundball player. Seriously you ppl scare living [censored] out of me sometimes. 

He needs to extract his digit nudge,   or he'll be another bust.

Playing on his potential alone isn't good enough.  He has to start to produce instead of letting others do the work.

 

This elite ground ball stuff says he should be in the guts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The club should build a mansion for all the players to live in to boost the comraderie.

This is how we will welcome the new draftees

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

The club should build a mansion for all the players to live in to boost the comraderie.

This is how we will welcome the new draftees

 

 

omg that is truly scary....lets let that stay in America

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

omg that is truly scary....lets let that stay in America

It really is frightening isnt it.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

23 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Do not like articles like this

Why trading Angus Brayshaw could fix Melbourne's midfield
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/26952749/why-trading-angus-brayshaw-fix-melbourne-midfield

Don't want to lose Helmet 

the general vibe seems to be that gus could be on the market, i guess because he's been moved out of the midfield make-up from time to time over the year so far

personally i think trading yr best players is fraught with danger; as much as his kicking skills drive me up the wall (he's no better a user of the ball than dom tyson), to lose a key midfield mover is a massive risk, particularly with jones moving out of the mix - to lose another midfielder within two years (presuming jones retires at the end of 2020) would be a huge risk

if we get offered ben brown for starters? i'd look at it and then ask for a second round pick as well - brown is a gun forward but 27 years old

ideally we need to add outside run and spread to the likes of brayshaw, not rob peter to pay paul

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

the general vibe seems to be that gus could be on the market, i guess because he's been moved out of the midfield make-up from time to time over the year so far

personally i think trading yr best players is fraught with danger; as much as his kicking skills drive me up the wall (he's no better a user of the ball than dom tyson), to lose a key midfield mover is a massive risk, particularly with jones moving out of the mix - to lose another midfielder within two years (presuming jones retires at the end of 2020) would be a huge risk

if we get offered ben brown for starters? i'd look at it and then ask for a second round pick as well - brown is a gun forward but 27 years old

ideally we need to add outside run and spread to the likes of brayshaw, not rob peter to pay paul

I would trade Viney before Angus. 

We will have to trade hard this year

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I would trade Viney before Angus. 

We will have to trade hard this year

you'd get more for gus

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

you'd get more for gus

I know that. 2 players may have to go, but i hope it is not Gus

Viney out of the midfield lets Petracca in, which is where he will do his best work

Viney and a high Draft pick could get us a Josh Kelly type. 

We have to make some serious structural changes. Speed and skill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I know that. 2 players may have to go, but i hope it is not Gus

Viney out of the midfield lets Petracca in, which is where he will do his best work

Viney and a high Draft pick could get us a Josh Kelly type. 

We have to make some serious structural changes. Speed and skill

no it wouldn't, i don't think

gus and our first rounder and gw$ would probably ask for more for kelly

in order of preference to jettison from our best midfield talent i'd go:

  • brayshaw
  • viney
  • harmes
  • oliver
  • gawn

and i'd have petracca ranked btw viney and harmes, as i think he's clearly more talented than anyone bar oliver and gawn on that list

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

no it wouldn't, i don't think

gus and our first rounder and gw$ would probably ask for more for kelly

in order of preference to jettison from our best midfield talent i'd go:

  • brayshaw
  • viney
  • harmes
  • oliver
  • gawn

and i'd have petracca ranked btw viney and harmes, as i think he's clearly more talented than anyone bar oliver and gawn on that list

It will be an interesting time. If the Club doesn’t trade hard this year, it never will again. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We all have our own opinions and mine is to have only minimal delistings to go to the draft. We need to keep all our core young mids like Oliver, Gus and hopefully Trac who next year should spend more time in the middle. These guys get along well together and I believe will be the makings of the best midfield in the comp. Add in Harmes and it could be scary. This years draft crop like Lockhart, Sparrow etc I trust will improve greatly and add to this. Plenty of skill training in off season particularly kicking to advantage will help.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i would also trade viney before angus brayshaw. mostly because Viney is slower. And we are so bloody slow. but Goodwin also needs to work on his game plan. We look slow because our system is [censored] and we're always chasing on the rebound. 

And Angus Brayshaw is worth much more than pick 13 in that article. crazy talk. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    MURDER BY NUMBERS by Sam the Stats Man

    The respective ladder positions of this week’s combatants tell the story of one side on the rise and the other in steep decline. Since their most recent meeting which took place early last year, the Dees and the Lions have changed positions. They are opposed to each again on the former’s home turf with the locals in fine fettle after blowing St Kilda off the park at Marvel Stadium.  The Lions’ home ground advantage has been a major consideration so far this year. They have won five out of s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    MUD HEAP by KC from Casey

    In the opening round of the 2018 VFL season, the Casey Demons enjoyed an emphatic 107 point victory over Coburg at Piranha Park. The team was loaded with Melbourne listed players (half a dozen of them were in the team that beat Fremantle on Saturday) and the side was in its way to a grand final appearance. A season and a half later, the club returned to the same venue in the hope of kick starting a season that had gone somewhat awry under new coach Sam Radford and while they tasted victory (as y

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    PRETENDERS SENT PACKING by George on the Outer

    Fremantle, the Perth pretenders at sixth on the premiership table should have easily accounted for the Demons, sitting barely a game off the bottom of the ladder.   And for the majority of the game, it certainly looked that would be the case, until the final quarter, when the Demons stopped giving the Dockers easy chances, or making plain, dumb decisions. Not that their situation was helped by some simply appalling umpiring during the match, that kept gifting Fremantle easy scores.  Th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    ORWELLIAN by Whispering Jack

    Please permit me to begin this rather tragic pathetic preview of Melbourne’s forthcoming game against Fremantle with some personal reflections.   Two years ago, we had visitors staying with us who are all sports fans so we arranged tickets for the entire family for the Melbourne vs Fremantle game at the MCG. The Dockers were struggling at the time while the Demons were on the up and up so I was fairly confident about the outcome. Naturally, we all left the ground bitterly disappointed.   

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    PANTSED BY THE PIES by George on the Outer

    A 41 point loss to Collingwood, combined with yet another meagre output from the Melbourne forwards, saw the Demons pantsed by the Collingwood in the Queens Birthday match. For the nth week in a row, Melbourne failed to produce a score that would trouble most sides - it’s inaccuracy alone was again enough to seal the outcome. If that final score of 7.15 were 15.7, the game would have been very different. That sort of output was exactly a repeat of the previous week against Adelaide, when fo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    TURNAROUND by KC from Casey

    It is truly amazing what a difference eight days can make in the life and times of a football club. It was a little over a week ago that the Casey Demons side were literally crushed into submission by the Werribee Tigers at Avalon Airport Oval. The losing margin in that game was not huge but the way they struggled to produce and cohesion in their play was obvious for all to see.  On Sunday at Casey Fields as part of heritage week, the team wore the Springvale FC jumper and made its own turn

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    TEN YEARS AFTER by Whispering Jack

    There are many who would argue that Melbourne’s current woes go back a full decade to their Queens Birthday engagement of 2009 when the Demons selected a young VCE student Jack Watts to make his debut on the MCG in front of what was expected to be the club’s biggest crowd for a game described as the club’s “grand final in June”. That was the way of the world for the Dean Bailey coached Demons. The critics were skeptical of Melbourne’s decision to put a wet behind the ears schoolboy (albeit

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    TOP END HEADING SOUTH by George on the Outer

    The Demons headed north for their annual game in Darwin, but the disappointing outcome could only mean they are heading south with the all too familiar failings happening again. A Sam Weideman mark and kick for goal with only 30 seconds remaining in the match could have won it for the Demons, but the kick slid sideways and the team went down by two points.  Sam may have been devastated, but the fact that the team could only kick 1 goal 8 behinds in the final quarter lays the blame at the fe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    MAYDAY by KC from Casey

    There’s not very much that can be said of the lacklustre performance of the Casey Demons at Avalon Airfield Oval against the Werribee Tigers on Saturday other than that it was woeful. There were however, a few small rays of hope for Demon fans, the main one being the display of defender Steven May from injury and to a lesser extent, Kade Kolodjashnij’s return after two months recovering from the effects of concussion. May was in stellar form down back, taking intercept marks, disposing of t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    POINT OF NO RETURN by the Oracle

    Conventional wisdom says that a club reaches the point of no return in the AFL competition if it has won less than four matches at the mid point of the season.  What this means for Melbourne is that in order for it to remain in the race for a top-eight position, it must start winning games now. Moreover, It's not enough to win the next game but it must also start stringing wins together to make up for its deficit in both wins and percentage.  With so much at stake there will be no excu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A REAL DOWNER by KC from Casey

    When Sam Weideman kicked his third goal at the midpoint of the second quarter of Casey’s game at Downer Oval , Point Gellibrand on Sunday, he put his team 26 points ahead of the goalless Seagulls. Buoyed by the return from injury of Weideman and a number of other AFL-listed Melbourne players including Jordan Lewis, Mitch Hannan, and Jay Kennedy Harris and an impressive start to Jake Lever’s second game on return from his ACL surgery, the Demons were seemingly on top of the world. Lewis and

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    ANOTHER GIANT PROBLEM by George on the Outer

    On top of its injury problems Melbourne ran into an “in-form” GWS Giants at the MCG in a game which, apart from a final quarter junk-time spree served to highlight the club’s current problems. There’s a virtually non-existent forward line; a plethora of VFL standard players, who might be getting plenty of game experience but most will simply not be up to AFL standard; an inability to kick straight and an ability to waste simple opportunities so that they mustered up only one goal in the fir

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

×
×
  • Create New...