Concerned about Jack

[SPC 2,790]

I actually thought he was okay. Seemed to have a bit more break away pace

[DemonOX 8,530]

When our season is dead and buried he should be put out to pasture for the rest of the season to get his body and fitness right. 

Edited May 18, 2019 by DemonOX

[bing181 8,164]

7 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

He played only 69% of the game so he is still being managed.   It is now 2 years of managing his injuries by not playing or managed game time.

You don't manage game time because of injury, you manage game time because of fitness.

Given he hasn't done a full pre-season for 2 years now, understandable.

[Winners at last 4,717]

He needs to learn to kick/handball on his right side. Opponents are well aware of his limitations.

Also needs to "take on" opponents less and look for other options. Too predictable.

[chookrat 3,776]

10 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

To state the obvious, he’s a heart and soul player clearly playing injured. Whether those injuries are of the  long term ,perhaps career long,  foot or something else I don’t know. But whatever the cause his kicking has become a real liability. He gets neither penetration nor accuracy on his left anymore and let’s face it, he’s never really had a right. If he gets the ball in space the best he’s doing is sending it high to a 50/50. It almost nullifies how good he is on the inside. 

Also, when I see him giving interviews it’s like he gives nothing of his real self. Perhaps protecting himself and towing the party line steadfastly. When I watch him I do wonder, when Jones steps back eventually,  if viney will be the type of leader that inspires . No one could ever question his commitment nor his guts , and I’m probably going to roasted fr saying this,  but I’m starting to question his skill set as a future solo captain. 

Jack will be fine, I reckon he's learned to temper his intensity while his body and conditioning improve and we will see him dominating games in the back half of the year. 

[picket fence 15,103]

4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Poor. Very poor.  Give Jack a run without injury.  He is not 100% and will get better each week.  It’s a cheap shot given our year so far.  Tough and determined without question.  Beats more tackles than gets caught. 

Not Poor FACT 

Don't give me not 100% because which players are??

Not a cheap shot at all, I'll stick to my comments a very limited footballer who has Grunt and can go and get it and not much else.

FACT!

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, bingers said:

He needs to learn to kick/handball on his right side. Opponents are well aware of his limitations.

Also needs to "take on" opponents less and look for other options. Too predictable.

Yep.  All slowish players must be dual sided.

[bobby1554 1,132]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Not Poor FACT 

Don't give me not 100% because which players are??

Not a cheap shot at all, I'll stick to my comments a very limited footballer who has Grunt and can go and get it and not much else.

FACT!

Well when he has it, it means 43 other blokes ain’t! Can I ask you a question, did you ever play football?

[dimmy 1,114]

10 hours ago, dees189227 said:

I have nothing against Jack the player, he always goes in hard for the ball never shirks a contest and will give you all his will but as a captain I just look at how Cripps and how he leads his team and plays. Cripps has established himself a star and no one talks about Jack in that way. I feel Jack just needs to use the ball better. Last night was just a lot of rushed kicks. 

Im more concerned about Brayshaw and where his form and skill have gone 

Agree on both points

Therein lies a problem . Jack V needs to moce away from the costant crash & bash in the midfield, because we have Clarrie, Harmes, Gus  and potentially Petracca who work more expansively /mobile  in the midfield. By this I reckon they clear the area better. Brayshaw in particular is being played outside his specialist area.

I fell that Jack V would be better as a small forward, who makes sure the ball remains in the fwd area because of the pressure he applies. THis will make it easier on his body and increase the defensive aspects of our  Forwards.

[titan_uranus 22,290]

What Viney does well, he does very well.

Unfortunately what he does poorly, he does quite poorly, and that's his kicking.

If he can't improve his kicking he'll never become a A-grade midfielder.

[picket fence 15,103]

On 5/18/2019 at 8:06 PM, bobby1554 said:

Well when he has it, it means 43 other blokes ain’t! Can I ask you a question, did you ever play football?

Hnmm Ok Ill play, ball 

Played nearly 150 with De La Salle OCFC 

I was a highly skilled HFF, Think Bruest that's the way I played

And a few with what was known as Melbourne U /19 s before that

And you ??

Next Question?

Edited May 19, 2019 by picket fence

[Macca 16,173]

Jack will find his best form soon enough ... he's obviously carrying something which makes him look a bit proppy and not freed up in his movements.  

We've had a few like that this year including T-Mac who looked to have rediscovered his movement in the first half on Friday evening.  Jones is another and Hibberd early on.  Harmes took a while to get going as well and Petracca the same. 

From an overall team point of view the side seemed to spring into action on Friday night but we can't let our guard down in any given upcoming game.  Have to win at least 2 of the next 3 games.  We just need to bring our best.  We've got enough good players available to win games. 

 

Edited May 19, 2019 by Macca

[chookrat 3,776]

On 5/18/2019 at 5:21 PM, picket fence said:

Not Poor FACT 

Don't give me not 100% because which players are??

Not a cheap shot at all, I'll stick to my comments a very limited footballer who has Grunt and can go and get it and not much else.

FACT!

You sir are a very limited poster. Jack is building nicely and I'm confident he will absolutely dominate games in the back half of this season. 

[picket fence 15,103]

14 minutes ago, chookrat said:

You sir are a very limited poster. Jack is building nicely and I'm confident he will absolutely dominate games in the back half of this season. 

Yeah right... limited players with limited ability don't, tend to improve!! ah lets see eh? 

[Demon Dynasty 15,386]

On 5/18/2019 at 2:14 PM, DV8 said:

As an aside, I can't believe many here were talking about putting May into our leadership group,  THIS year.

He made the D'land banner before his first kick in the red and blue DV... that must mean something surely!??

[Demon Dynasty 15,386]

On 5/18/2019 at 2:22 PM, SPC said:

I actually thought he was okay. Seemed to have a bit more break away pace

If he can't find a side step out of traffic he at least needs to work on his burst speed to escape congestion a little more often. 

That allows a little extra space/time to steady in the last few steps to hit up targets inside 50 or around the arc.  Alternatively it allows him to get it out of congestion more cleanly by hand to runners well clear of congestion rather than a few feet away that we see far too often at the mo (not alone here).

Slight problem with the handball outside though.  We need to find one or two more outside mids to offer some depth with the only genuine options being Salem & Harmes, until Hannan returns.

Work on the burst speed first ...then the finish/accuracy.  Finishing school required to add a few extra strings to a solid base.  Fitness probably impacting in the short term a little.

Edited May 19, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

He made the D'land banner before his first kick in the red and blue DV... that must mean something surely!??

 

 

Edited May 19, 2019 by DV8

[Demon Dynasty 15,386]

4 minutes ago, DV8 said:

 

 

Haha...hopefully he brings a bit more than naughtiness DV....and soon!

[Mental Demons 136]

Jack has become a little generic. We had plenty of success covering his injuries last year and there was no proof we stood up any less when he was not there. We have plenty of inside mids, we need more outside run. I think the way Jack plays is why he gets injured so much. Unless he changes his game he will not have a long career, or will only play half seasons.

[djr 1,067]

On 5/18/2019 at 5:00 PM, bingers said:

He needs to learn to kick/handball on his right side. Opponents are well aware of his limitations.

Also needs to "take on" opponents less and look for other options. Too predictable.

You can add Fritsch, Salem, Lewis, Hibberd, ANB and J Wagner to that list. It can be a momentum killer especially when there is a run-on and there are players creating options downfield only for that player to stop and change direction because he can't kick on the other foot. A lot of times on Friday you saw players either get caught with ball, handball it to a teammate that is covered or turned it over because that player ignored a lead because he would have to use his wrong foot. And yes they are predictable and the opposition know exactly what the player is going to do.

[leave it to deever 15,318]

20 hours ago, picket fence said:

Hnmm Ok Ill play, ball 

Played nearly 150 with De La Salle OCFC 

I was a highly skilled HFF, Think Bruest that's the way I played

And a few with what was known as Melbourne U /19 s before that

And you ??

Next Question?

love your passion pk. 

Clearly you wear red and and blue in your heart as well as your sleeve.

[Laughing Goat 308]

On 5/18/2019 at 4:30 PM, bingers said:

He needs to learn to kick/handball on his right side. Opponents are well aware of his limitations.

Also needs to "take on" opponents less and look for other options. Too predictable.

Best post I've read in a long time......

 

[Little Goffy 12,556]

On 5/18/2019 at 5:21 PM, picket fence said:

Not Poor FACT 

Don't give me not 100% because which players are??

Not a cheap shot at all, I'll stick to my comments a very limited footballer who has Grunt and can go and get it and not much else.

FACT!

Viney has been having a poor season by his standards and definitely has limitations which prevent him from being a superstar.

But I seem to be going through a phase where I am just getting fed up with hyperbole and egofarts.

A player with 32 Brownlow votes in his first 98 games, can we at least accept that there might be a range of valid opinions about his past, current and potential future contribution, and that it is not necessary for one particular perspective to be declared THE ONLY TRUE FACT THAT EVER THERE WAS HEAR ME FOR I AM YOUR LORD.

Seriously, try a little humility.

[At the break of Gawn 3,486]

On 5/18/2019 at 8:20 AM, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

I've got bigger concerns than Jack Viney...

Forwards

i50s 

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Jack Viney

The end

Funny you say inside 50s and forwards. I re-watched the 4th qtr and Jack Viney kicked directly to McGovern/Hurn for an intercept mark on 3 occasions in the space of 10-15 minutes.

It’s not just his kicking, it’s his decision making, too. On two of those occasions he had handball options over the top which would have allowed the next player to kick behind Hurn/McGovern which is one strategy to beat them. A captain just can’t be making such fundamental poor decisions.

Fixing Jack Viney leads to better inside 50s and better forwards.

[Smokey 4,126]

Few people saying when Jones steps down Gawn will be new co captain. 

When did it become assumed that captaincy is to be shared these days? What have I missed? Picking a second captain as some sort of injury or leadership insurance policy speaks volumes in itself. Be nice to just have 1 good captain instead of 2 average ones. 

Viney will have to do for now. I honestly think he’s going to have a very short career and the captaincy will take care of itself in due course, at which point immediately it’s gotta be Gawn, or short-mid term Lever. Tmac is a possibility for mine too, albeit his dreadful lack of form right now. 

I feel Viney was a good fit for captaincy in recent years past, but the game and team and grown beyond that of which his captaincy compliments. We can’t have our captain constantly missing the side of a barn by foot while struggling to get 15 games a year in due to chronic injuries. Plus as others have said is media performance is normally very cringeworthy. Blokes like Gawn lever and tmac are the complete opposite on that front.