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11 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Unless you're in the club you'd have no idea how he's performing or interacting with other admin staff.

But you'd have to be a gene short of a moron to think our on-field performances have anything to do with Pert.  On a scale of 1-100 his influence is 0.

You have a very limited understanding of organisations and hierarchies holding that view. If the energy in the top office is not right it can flow very quickly onto performance on the field. Very quickly.

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1 minute ago, Matsuo Basho said:

You have a very limited understanding of organisations and hierarchies holding that view. If the energy in the top office is not right it can flow very quickly onto performance on the field. Very quickly.

Exhibit A.

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4 minutes ago, ManDee said:

 

Matuo, this is a partial quote of Caroline Wilson's opinion. It says that past players and other club CEO's were dismayed that "Jackson had been totally shut out of the search for his successor."      

Nothing is obvious, @old dee is joining dots and jumping to conclusions. Jackson may not have been happy about not being involved in the search for a replacement, but I have seen nothing to suggest that he thought it a bad appointment, it is not obvious to me.  

Rarely is anything obvious. But use your radar detector. There were rumblings. Noses have been put out of joint.

It was not the way Jackson wanted his and Roos' legacy handled.

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2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Exhibit A.

Calling people who hold contrary views to you "morons" does nothing for your credibility. Mount sensible arguments or don't post at all.

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9 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Wasn’t Gary Pert CEO of Collingwood when they won their last Premiership? Or let’s forgot that because it doesn’t fit the narrative? The situation we’re in doesn’t come down to one persons fault, there’s plenty of factors that have got us to where we currently are.

At the AGM Pert clearly outlined his key objective a growing the club and harnessing the latent support so evident in the finals last year.

Current membership seems to be, I think,  about 1500 short of 50,000.

So far so good despite the club's performance on field in my view.

His test comes over next 3 years to lock the increasing membership growth in as a new floor/paradigm.

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9 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Rarely is anything obvious. But use your radar detector. There were rumblings. Noses have been put out of joint.

It was not the way Jackson wanted his and Roos' legacy handled.

Pure speculation. 

You may be right but I have seen no evidence to support your view.

Most senior appointments upset someone. 

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6 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Pure speculation. 

You may be right but I have seen no evidence to support your view.

Most senior appointments upset someone. 

What you describe is all we can see, most definitely.

However, if one looks and sees there are shadows where none were expected it has to raise an eyebrow. Jackson thought he was part of his succession plan as was Roos. He wasn't. I'm sure that wasn't expected. Something shifted at the MFC and I'm not convinced it's for the better.

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50 minutes ago, old dee said:

Why the rush to reappoint Goodwin, he had a year to run on his contract?

Because it's on-trend to provide coaches with security.

Richmond and Collingwood (rightly) showed incredible faith in their coaches and now other clubs (rightly or wrongly) are following the leader on that one.

2018 was the first year in decades I believe where a coach wasn't fired despite some seriously under performing  coaches in Richardson, Bolton and Lyon. 

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1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Can't put my finger on it but there is something about Pert's manner and energy that I don't think is resonating well at the MFC. Smart man, highly professional and all that but there's a key ingredient missing. Just one of those people who's hard to warm to.

So we're judging a CEO's ability on 'the vibe'?

Denis Denuto would be proud

That's about all you can hang your hat on Range Rover

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9 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So we're judging a CEO's ability on 'the vibe'?

Denis Denuto would be proud

That's about all you can hang your hat on Range Rover

Oooooh, another unmasking of an alias! Spicy! 

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10 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So we're judging a CEO's ability on 'the vibe'?

Denis Denuto would be proud

That's about all you can hang your hat on Range Rover

As Bezelbub alluded to, some people need their A-B-C cards held up in front of their face at every turn. Others instinctively learn to spell very quickly. 

You don’t plummet this quickly and drastically without causes. Off field causes need to be looked at too, as uncomfortable as that may be for some.

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm not sure Jackson did not want Pert.  It was more that he wanted an internal person (whom he had groomed) and wanted to be involved in the process. 

The hue and cry was mostly about the process, or apparent lack thereof, not about Pert himself or Jackson's opinion of him.

Good post prior about the pert interview. To be honest I have misgivings about pert being so involved in fd matters. Probably misplaced but my sense is pj had the opposite approach and let them get on with things.

I wonder how much goody like's perts involvement.

An interesting difference between PJ and pert is pert was a decorated AFL player, and no doubt has strong views on how the game should be played. PJ struck me as  more intetersted in whether we won or not (though of course holds views on the game) - though did place a value on us playing entertaining footy.

On the question of whether  PJ wanted pert or not I think the excellent Demonland podcast interview with him is very instructive.

Grapeviney (I think) directly asks PJ about Pert and the process to select him.  You don't  have to be good at reading between the lines to get the strong sense that he was not a fan, or that PJ would not have chosen him. From memory he emphasised they had different aporaches and made clear he wasn't involved in (shut out?) of the decision.

I think he qualified his comments somewhat by stressing he favoured a succession model for coaching and leadership positions. Clearly he would have gone with Mahoney.

Many on dl wondered what the possible ramifications might be of the decision by the board to basically over rule PJ and run their own process and ultimately  getting a complete outsider, albeit a highly qualified one. Was there a risk of creating some unnecessary disharmony? Are we seeing any ripples of that decision now? 

 

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By the by, interesting thread given it is the first post by the op since May 2017. Curious.

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33 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Because it's on-trend to provide coaches with security.

Richmond and Collingwood (rightly) showed incredible faith in their coaches and now other clubs (rightly or wrongly) are following the leader on that one.

2018 was the first year in decades I believe where a coach wasn't fired despite some seriously under performing  coaches in Richardson, Bolton and Lyon. 

I worry when the notion of doing things fashionably is invoked as a reason to do...well... anything.

On-trend..itself fashionably cute, only really means it's called current vogue. It is indeed the fashion, but fashion is invariably only a nod to a fad. Fads seldom are more than VA transient design by one imposed on another.

Can we not as an individual, or individual club make our way according to what suits US ?

By being naively on-trend we've dug ourselves into a mire. 

Those that often experience the greatest success...are not followers, but leaders. Leaders don't do on-trend. Leaders just do.

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14 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I worry when the notion of doing things fashionably is invoked as a reason to do...well... anything.

On-trend..itself fashionably cute, only really means it's called current vogue. It is indeed the fashion, but fashion is invariably only a nod to a fad. Fads seldom are more than VA transient design by one imposed on another.

Can we not as an individual, or individual club make our way according to what suits US ?

By being naively on-trend we've dug ourselves into a mire. 

Those that often experience the greatest success...are not followers, but leaders. Leaders don't do on-trend. Leaders just do.

A point well made. This concerns me too Bezelbub. We seem to be following a shop worn pattern of 'follow the leader' instead of taking it upon ourselves to chart our own course.

There is a reason movie sequels generally adhere to the 'law of diminishing returns'. To the innovator go the spoils, rarely the copycat.

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Not sure how anyone could draw some conclusion that Pert could be responsible for this drop off - he's only been around for like 5 minutes. Has even made a decision yet that would affect the FD? At least he got Jaguar on board (albeit one year)

More interested to see how he responds at the end of the year if the poor year continues. If he's a good operator, you'll see a clear out of underperforming assistant coaches, and hopefully an appointment of a world class fitness coach to replace the already exiting Misson.

 

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Yep, i put full blame on Pert for our midfielders being completely lazy and not running both ways, not able to hit targets from 15m out and constantly bombing to our forwards heads at all times.

The 1-5 start is completely on you Perty!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Not sure how anyone could draw some conclusion that Pert could be responsible for this drop off - he's only been around for like 5 minutes. Has even made a decision yet that would affect the FD? At least he got Jaguar on board (albeit one year)

More interested to see how he responds at the end of the year if the poor year continues. If he's a good operator, you'll see a clear out of underperforming assistant coaches, and hopefully an appointment of a world class fitness coach to replace the already exiting Misson.

 

Obviously some people need to find a scapegoat for everything that is not to their liking, in this instance it has become Gary Pert. It also appears certain posters are hellbent on creating an atmosphere of a rift a within  the club without any shred of evidence.

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Rather than looking for a scapegoat to pin this too, why don't we look at the facts from Pert's time at CFC:

- Time at Collingwood extraordinarily successful - peopled laughed when he set the target of 80k members as they are laughing now at the target he has set for MFC

- no club in the history of the game has experienced the level of growth that CFC did in Pert's time as CEO - membership, revenue, profit etc.

- took a bottom 4 list and built it to a premiership side

- Developed a facility that has become the benchmark for all others WITHOUT requiring taxpayer funding

- Exited CFC from the gaming/hospitality investments of the previous administration that were haemorrhaging money and returned CFC to profit within 2 years

- Removed a coach that looked good on paper but was subsequently moved on by Carlton FC shortly after his appointment (interestingly, spent most of his first preseason at Carlton on a book tour rather than overseeing training)

- Appointed a coach that in 2018 took the team to a grand final

- In the face of intense criticism that ultimately lead to his demise as CEO, backed Buckley and his system when the easy thing to do would have been to sack Buckley and buy himself time while the club 'imbedded' a new coach and system. Buckley now coaches the premiership favourite team which surely vindicates the club and Pert's support of him.

Didn't get everything right;

- Appointment of Allen and Eade, potential missteps. Removal of Balme arguably another (although Balme was in favour of removing Buckley so perhaps this has also been vindicated).

If we look objectively at the decisions that are now up for debate as to whether that have enhanced or will hamper long term success, they were overwhelmingly made under the leadership of Jackson and Roos and Mahoney (the latter being Jackson's preferred CEO appointment to allow Jackson to stay on at the club as a mentor...).

For what it's worth, I think the decisions that have been made over the last 5 years at least, will ultimately prove to be astute moves that will take us where we all desperately want to go. I believe, the appointment of Pert will be another of those positive moves and that at this stage, all be can do is have a little faith.

When it comes to faith, every day of the week, I'll give mine to those that have been there and done it and when you look below the surface, have made a majority of very positive calls. 

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2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

As Bezelbub alluded to, some people need their A-B-C cards held up in front of their face at every turn. Others instinctively learn to spell very quickly. 

You don’t plummet this quickly and drastically without causes. Off field causes need to be looked at too, as uncomfortable as that may be for some.

So Pert is playing at full back? That explains the losses on field. Righto

You need to turn your reading books the right way up Range!

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20 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Obviously some people need to find a scapegoat for everything that is not to their liking, in this instance it has become Gary Pert. It also appears certain posters are hellbent on creating an atmosphere of a rift a within  the club without any shred of evidence.

We have gone from prelim finalist to wooden spoon fancy in seven games. There were clear rumblings of discontent when Pert was appointed. And now we have inner sanctum staff (Misson) publicly pointing fingers, covering hides and attempting to deflect blame now that things have gone pear shaped. 

No scapegoats. Just facts. To say that Demonland posters are responsible for these issues ... well, it’s real ‘ding dong Drysdale’ stuff.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

So Pert is playing at full back? That explains the losses on field. Righto

You need to turn your reading books the right way up Range!

Read my post #26 to ProDee. Same applies to you.

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3 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

No scapegoats. Just facts.

You have no facts at all, you just keep banging on with no substance.

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5 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

To say that Demonland posters are responsible for these issues ... well, it’s real ‘ding dong Drysdale’ stuff.

Did I say that, I was under the impression I said certain posters are trying to say there is a rift at the club when they have no facts of same.

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2 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

You have no facts at all, you just keep banging on with no substance.

Use the ignore function. Then you can live in your bubble without having to read views you disagree with. Problem solved.

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