Trade Petracca?

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 minute ago, President Dee Trump said:

There’s absolutely no guarantee that Rowell will be any good at AFL level. Draft picks are a complete gamble.

Pointy end draft picks are far from a ‘complete gamble’. Compare how many stars and elite players have come from picks 1-5 compared to picks 30-35. Without even doing the research I can confidently say at least 5 times as many. 

From our own list alone Gus Brayshaw and Clarry say hello.

[Deemania since 56 6,119]

2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

I think the problem is our player development- too many have not come on. 

That is correct, Chook. Too many have not come on, given the frequency of 'elite' in an 'elite' selection of 'elite' young players. By all reasonable standards, at least 75% of recruits at such a level should be those whom you may 'want to play due to their skills' the year after recruitment to a club. It seems to work for Hawthorn, Geelong, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon, to name a few. Whereas for the MFC, the 75% play in the firsts because there is no-one else. 

[Little Goffy 12,507]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Because that is as good as it gets. Trade if a good deal is in the offering.

Actually, he is at present having his worst season for us, so this is actually as bad as it gets!

He also, for what it is worth, is managing to average a goal assist per game, which is elite level especially when considering our overall scoring dysfunction. Between his goal assists and his goals, he's had a direct hand in close to 20% of our scoring this season.

If you piece together the statistical picture of goals, goal assists, score involvements, contested marks, tackles inside 50 and marks inside 50, Petracca is second only to Melksham as our most effective forward. And our forward line is basically those two and fresh (perhaps foul) air. He is also playing close to 90% game time, a level normally only reserved for stay-at-home key defenders, so maybe he looks a bit slow at times because he is picking up slack while a bunch of kids and most of our midfield is getting a full 15 minutes extra rest each game?

The more I dig, the more I feel that for all his highly visible fumbles and moments of apparent lethargy, he is actually playing a really important roel and is far from being a liability.

In the time it took me to look things up properly since starting this reply, I've shifted my opinion.

CHRISTIAN PETRACCA IS ACTUALLY AMONG OUR BEST PLAYERS THIS SEASON 

HE IS BEING HUNG OUT TO DRY BECAUSE HE HAPPENS TO BE HIGHLY VISIBLE

STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WASTELAND CAUSED BY OTHER'S IMPLODING AROUND HIM

That's right, bold and caps lock. I'm on the warpath. Lay off Petracca, he is being a trooper out there, wading through swamps that others wont go near for fear of being picked out for criticism in exactly the way we are currently picking out Petracca.

[whatwhat say what 18,761]

7 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WASTELAND CAUSED BY OTHER'S IMPLODING AROUND HIM

these sound like bruce springsteen lyrics!

all it's missing is a lil stevie riff and some massive sax solo from the big man

Edited April 27, 2019 by whatwhatsaywhat

[SPC 2,770]

Huge yes from me 

[Deesprate 1,154]

6 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Actually, he is at present having his worst season for us, so this is actually as bad as it gets!

He also, for what it is worth, is managing to average a goal assist per game, which is elite level especially when considering our overall scoring dysfunction. Between his goal assists and his goals, he's had a direct hand in close to 20% of our scoring this season.

If you piece together the statistical picture of goals, goal assists, score involvements, contested marks, tackles inside 50 and marks inside 50, Petracca is second only to Melksham as our most effective forward. And our forward line is basically those two and fresh (perhaps foul) air. He is also playing close to 90% game time, a level normally only reserved for stay-at-home key defenders, so maybe he looks a bit slow at times because he is picking up slack while a bunch of kids and most of our midfield is getting a full 15 minutes extra rest each game?

The more I dig, the more I feel that for all his highly visible fumbles and moments of apparent lethargy, he is actually playing a really important roel and is far from being a liability.

In the time it took me to look things up properly since starting this reply, I've shifted my opinion.

CHRISTIAN PETRACCA IS ACTUALLY AMONG OUR BEST PLAYERS THIS SEASON 

HE IS BEING HUNG OUT TO DRY BECAUSE HE HAPPENS TO BE HIGHLY VISIBLE

STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WASTELAND CAUSED BY OTHER'S IMPLODING AROUND HIM

That's right, bold and caps lock. I'm on the warpath. Lay off Petracca, he is being a trooper out there, wading through swamps that others wont go near for fear of being picked out for criticism in exactly the way we are currently picking out Petracca.

Totally agree. He not Colin Sylvia. If you want to rip further fabric out of the joint then trade one of our best potential players. Really send a great message to the other young players. Petracca maybe a bust there are no certainties but to trade him is not smart. 

[old dee 22,805]

11 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Actually, he is at present having his worst season for us, so this is actually as bad as it gets!

He also, for what it is worth, is managing to average a goal assist per game, which is elite level especially when considering our overall scoring dysfunction. Between his goal assists and his goals, he's had a direct hand in close to 20% of our scoring this season.

If you piece together the statistical picture of goals, goal assists, score involvements, contested marks, tackles inside 50 and marks inside 50, Petracca is second only to Melksham as our most effective forward. And our forward line is basically those two and fresh (perhaps foul) air. He is also playing close to 90% game time, a level normally only reserved for stay-at-home key defenders, so maybe he looks a bit slow at times because he is picking up slack while a bunch of kids and most of our midfield is getting a full 15 minutes extra rest each game?

The more I dig, the more I feel that for all his highly visible fumbles and moments of apparent lethargy, he is actually playing a really important roel and is far from being a liability.

In the time it took me to look things up properly since starting this reply, I've shifted my opinion.

CHRISTIAN PETRACCA IS ACTUALLY AMONG OUR BEST PLAYERS THIS SEASON 

HE IS BEING HUNG OUT TO DRY BECAUSE HE HAPPENS TO BE HIGHLY VISIBLE

STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WASTELAND CAUSED BY OTHER'S IMPLODING AROUND HIM

That's right, bold and caps lock. I'm on the warpath. Lay off Petracca, he is being a trooper out there, wading through swamps that others wont go near for fear of being picked out for criticism in exactly the way we are currently picking out Petracca.

He is our second best scorer! When we are getting belted every week and cannot score to save ourselves the second best of that lot does not say much.

[DeeZone 7,649]

9 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Actually, he is at present having his worst season for us, so this is actually as bad as it gets!

He also, for what it is worth, is managing to average a goal assist per game, which is elite level especially when considering our overall scoring dysfunction. Between his goal assists and his goals, he's had a direct hand in close to 20% of our scoring this season.

If you piece together the statistical picture of goals, goal assists, score involvements, contested marks, tackles inside 50 and marks inside 50, Petracca is second only to Melksham as our most effective forward. And our forward line is basically those two and fresh (perhaps foul) air. He is also playing close to 90% game time, a level normally only reserved for stay-at-home key defenders, so maybe he looks a bit slow at times because he is picking up slack while a bunch of kids and most of our midfield is getting a full 15 minutes extra rest each game?

The more I dig, the more I feel that for all his highly visible fumbles and moments of apparent lethargy, he is actually playing a really important roel and is far from being a liability.

In the time it took me to look things up properly since starting this reply, I've shifted my opinion.

CHRISTIAN PETRACCA IS ACTUALLY AMONG OUR BEST PLAYERS THIS SEASON 

HE IS BEING HUNG OUT TO DRY BECAUSE HE HAPPENS TO BE HIGHLY VISIBLE

STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WASTELAND CAUSED BY OTHER'S IMPLODING AROUND HIM

That's right, bold and caps lock. I'm on the warpath. Lay off Petracca, he is being a trooper out there, wading through swamps that others wont go near for fear of being picked out for criticism in exactly the way we are currently picking out Petracca.

Thanks LG, after losing Hogan, Tyson, Kent & Bernie for no real gain to this point in the season has really effected our structures in a bad way, getting rid of one of the four Amigo's could possibly start a move away from our club and lower the morale of the playing group as much as this thread is likely to do.

[old dee 22,805]

Just now, DeeZone said:

Thanks LG, after losing Hogan, Tyson, Kent & Bernie for no real gain to this point in the season has really effected our structures in a bad way, getting rid of one of the four Amigo's could possibly start a move away from our club and lower the morale of the playing group as much as this thread is likely to do.

You have got to be kidding, this thread lowering the morale of the playing group!

if there were true than we should close down Demonland. 

What a load of cods wallop.

[sisso 2,383]

Keep him. Our trading record is pretty bad, Hogan is probably going to bite us on the [censored] and Trac would be even worse.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

4 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks LG, after losing Hogan, Tyson, Kent & Bernie for no real gain to this point in the season has really effected our structures in a bad way, getting rid of one of the four Amigo's could possibly start a move away from our club and lower the morale of the playing group as much as this thread is likely to do.

I’d like to suggest that the real reason for the low morale of the football club is that we just went from preliminary finalist to wooden spoon candidate in 8 games. 

You should change your profile name to Dee-Nial.

[jumbo returns 6,484]

3 minutes ago, sisso said:

Keep him. Our trading record is pretty bad, Hogan is probably going to bite us on the [censored] and Trac would be even worse.

Has bitten

[Skuit 9,109]

4 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Realise that the mere suggestion will send some ballistic but when you’re staring down a wooden spoon finish all scenarios must be canvassed. 

What would we get for him? Is his trade cachè as good now as it’s ever going to be? Is he Col Sylvia Mk2 set to flatter-to-deceive his entire career? Pertinent questions to consider.

5 seasons in there appears to be some writing on the wall with this guy. We have to entertain  the idea that trading him out could conceivably improve the list heading into 2020.

Would be a big call but maybe we can get a better player with a pick in the 10-20 range for him? A quicker player with surer hands and a tank, who kicks accurately and does not go missing for 3/4’s most games.

Fleeting cameos and flashes of brilliance with self-satisfied tongue sticking are not enough. We need players who offer more than this.

 

 

I like how you pretended to be balanced and objective until almost right at the end and then you couldn't help yourself.

[Ugottobekidding 913]

Wow have we already signed up some new players.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

Petracca needs to do what Billings did last preseason, and many more have done before him. Walk the walk, put in the effort, and take control of his own destiny when it comes to getting the best out of yourself.

If he isn’t prepared to do that by the time this upcoming offseason rolls around, then move him on.

It’s time to be a man who stands on his own 2 feet.

 I think maybe thats it. He needs to find a way to get the best out of himself, the coaching staff cant do everything. Some train very hard, hes not one of them.

[bush demon 1,875]

Move him to the half back flank, a la Topaz Tilbrook.

[Sorry kids 635]

Second to third round pick.

[What 18,810]

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

CHRISTIAN PETRACCA IS ACTUALLY AMONG OUR BEST PLAYERS THIS SEASON 

 

LOL, hes played one, maybe two good games.

[John Demonic 4,781]

You'd offer him up and the first round pick for Josh Kelly and maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick coming back, if GWS were in the same situation like GOld Coast with May, as in wanted to get more compo instead of waiting another year for free agency.

But I think we have to use that pick AND Josh Kelly probably will stay.

Otherwise keep him.

Edited April 27, 2019 by John Demonic

[Demons11 6,404]

4 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

We’ve got to get bold. Take calculated risks.

- Draft best mid available in the country with our first pick. Let’s say for argument’s sake Matthew Rowell.

- Get say pick 15 for Petracca and on trade to GWS for Patton. 

- With pick 20 or thereabouts get that young Isaac Smith type we desperately need.

Go into 2020 with: 

B: Hibberd May Hore

HB: Hunt Lever Salem

? Harmes Oliver Pick20

HF: Rowell TMac Hannan 

F: Melksham Patton Weideman 

R: Gawn Brayshaw Viney

I: Fritsch Sparrow Jetta Stretch 

Petracca for a bloke who has done his knee 3 times and has been an average player at best. 

This could be my last visit to this site after reading this. 

Im done!

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6 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

You'd offer him up and the first round pick for Josh Kelly and maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick coming back, if GWS were in the same situation like GOld Coast with May, as in wanted to get more compo instead of waiting another year for free agency.

Something tells me that wasn’t the case with May at all....

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24 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

LOL, hes played one, maybe two good games quarters.

Fixed.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

10 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Petracca for a bloke who has done his knee 3 times and has been an average player at best. 

This could be my last visit to this site after reading this. 

Im done!

The number of Demonlanders who think they’ve got Al Clarkson covered in assessing recruiting prospects is truly impressive. Those Hawthorn know-nothings and their track record of abject failure! 

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4 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Yeah. 

Nah. 

Some solid analysis there cheers.

Pure sweet arrogance.  Don't you love it.

[DV8 2,271]

4 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Clean hands?? We must watch footy in parallel universes because I see a guy who panics and fumbles more often than not. And how about that terrible hand to foot ball drop in his kick action that makes him a 30% proposition from 40m directly in front? 

And goes to ground too often in the forwardline.   He is slow to get back up.   He fades away off the back of contests,  and then walks watching it.

He's a lazy player,  who gets his thrills from just being in the seniors.   No ambition,  other than being in the limelight.