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1 hour ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Can't agree with your assessment of Shiel and Treloar DV8. Shiel is bordering on being a top 10 player in the competition. Plenty would have him in there including me. Absolutely torched us three weeks ago. Treloar is not far behind him. Both sensational players.

I'm  Shiel fan and I have been pushing for us to recruit him, since his 2nd year.  A freinds son played alongside Dylan at in the U-18's

 

But I don't like paying two top 10 picks for anyone. 

I think it's risky business indeed,  especially now the competition is so Even.  Now we have first hand experience with Lever,  Re his injury.

One career ending injury,  and you can fall right off the back of the wave.

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5 pages of [censored] about an overrated, slow, kneeless lump on massive coin that we don't want (well, 99% of us)

FMD!

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40 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

5 pages of [censored] about an overrated, slow, kneeless lump on massive coin that we don't want (well, 99% of us)

FMD!

Prepare for this post to bumped later in year. Apologies accepted in advance.

Kidding yourself if you don't think our FD will strongly consider him. If his knee's right - and reports suggest Hawthorn for one club think it will be - then he's the best value for money KPF out there in the marketplace. 

Try taking no risks in this 18-team comp and win a flag. 'Aint gonna happen.

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On 4/26/2019 at 8:30 PM, Matsuo Basho said:

Both those guys would be great but who do you propose we kick the prune to inside F50 next year? What’s your solution?

His knee doesn’t appear to be putting off Hawthorn.

Why would it?. look at Scully and his Ankle which was meant to be career ending??

They make an art form picking up excellent players at the right price!

Why do we continue to pick DUDS

Been happening since the dawn of time

Dees and Duds hnmm sounds like a good business name!!? Buying and selling NQR Merchandise 

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7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Why would it?. look at Scully and his Ankle which was meant to be career ending??

They make an art form picking up excellent players at the right price!

Why do we continue to pick DUDS

Been happening since the dawn of time

Dees and Duds hnmm sounds like a good business name!!? Buying and selling NQR Merchandise 

No shame in learning and copying from the best hey Picket? 

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8 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

No shame in learning and copying from the best hey Picket? 

Yep, and they have a coach who doesn't speak about Fugazzi!

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16 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Why would it?. look at Scully and his Ankle which was meant to be career ending??

They make an art form picking up excellent players at the right price!

Why do we continue to pick DUDS

Been happening since the dawn of time

Dees and Duds hnmm sounds like a good business name!!? Buying and selling NQR Merchandise 

Yeah those risks they took on Dayle Garlett second time around, Beau Muston after his car crash really worked out.

Ffs they've picked up plenty of duds along the way as have other clubs.

We're not exclusive here

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29 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Why would it?. look at Scully and his Ankle which was meant to be career ending??

They make an art form picking up excellent players at the right price!

Why do we continue to pick DUDS

Been happening since the dawn of time

Dees and Duds hnmm sounds like a good business name!!? Buying and selling NQR Merchandise 

Fair enough but personally not convinced Scully adds much punch to the Hawks. Neat for sure but doesnt cut you up.

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3 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yeah those risks they took on Dayle Garlett second time around, Beau Muston after his car crash really worked out.

Ffs they've picked up plenty of duds along the way as have other clubs.

We're not exclusive here

Beau Dowler (pick 6), Mitch Thorp (6)

Every club picks duds

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Big NO for Patton. Not interested at all. We should have learnt our lesson with Lever - don't trade for players with an ACL history. Not rocket science. Even Petracca is a shadow of the player he would've been. ACL's are no joke. They really affect an individual. Hopefully the football department take a few deep breaths next time, count to 10, then halve what they want to give for a player. This football department has set this club back a long way.

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13 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

Big NO for Patton. Not interested at all. We should have learnt our lesson with Lever - don't trade for players with an ACL history. Not rocket science. Even Petracca is a shadow of the player he would've been. ACL's are no joke. They really affect an individual. Hopefully the football department take a few deep breaths next time, count to 10, then halve what they want to give for a player. This football department has set this club back a long way.

Are you saying that we shouldn’t have picked up Gawn? He already had a history before entering the draft.

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9 minutes ago, hardtack said:

Are you saying that we shouldn’t have picked up Gawn? He already had a history before entering the draft.

Sshhh Hardtack that sort of comment doesn’t fit the no-risk mindset of most Demonlanders.

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13 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yeah those risks they took on Dayle Garlett second time around, Beau Muston after his car crash really worked out.

Ffs they've picked up plenty of duds along the way as have other clubs.

We're not exclusive here

I had mate say precisely the same thing the other day. His point was all clubs have trades that are busts and draft players that don't make it, including high picks. it's the nature of the beast. 50 50 is bloody good result. People just focus on the ones that worked out. But when assessing our our own recruiting many people do the opposite and just focus on the busts.  

My issue with out recruiting is not who we have picked up as such, more the type of players Roos (yes he should shoulder some blame) and Goody have asked the recruiting team to prioritse. We should have been into Jack Martin 5 years ago for instance. 

The problem we have is we have focused on competitive, contested ball winners at the expence of pace and skill, for 6 or so years. Which is all well and good, but the problem with that  is once a player get to the AFL their kicking skill is by and large fixed (though of course can improve) as is their pace (ditto). Easier to teach a really good kick that isn't naturally a contested ball winner to play solid defense and harden up.

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8 minutes ago, binman said:

I had mate say precisely the same thing the other day. His point was all clubs have trades that are busts and draft players that don't make it, including high picks. it's the natur eof the beast. 50 50 is bloody good result. People just focus on the ones that worked out. But when assessing our our own recruiting many people do the opposite and just focus on the busts.  

When it comes to trading and recruiting some clubs go at 75/25. Others 50/50, the unsuccessful clubs (ie. us) more like 25/75. 

No-one’s perfect sure but to suggest all clubs get 50% right and 50% wrong is clearly nonsense. 

Hawthorn haven’t won 4 flags in ten years for no reason. Beau Dowler and Ty Vickery are among exceptions to a veritable cavalcade of successes. 

Its embarrassing reading our supporters, Moonshadow and others, pot Hawthorn in this thread. Flat out embarrassing.

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1 hour ago, hardtack said:

Are you saying that we shouldn’t have picked up Gawn? He already had a history before entering the draft.

By all means do due diligence on Patton, but how many times did Gawn do his knee when drafted (answer: 1) and how many knee recos has Patton had (answer: 3)?

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5 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

When it comes to trading and recruiting some clubs go at 75/25. Others 50/50, the unsuccessful clubs (ie. us) more like 25/75. 

No-one’s perfect sure but to suggest all clubs get 50% right and 50% wrong is clearly nonsense. 

Hawthorn haven’t won 4 flags in ten years for no reason. Beau Dowler and Ty Vickery are among exceptions to a veritable cavalcade of successes. 

Its embarrassing reading our supporters, Moonshadow and others, pot Hawthorn in this thread. Flat out embarrassing.

You suggesting other posters of being embarrassing? Irony, much.

You can't work out if you want to simply be a troll, or want people to take your views seriously or a bit of both. Now that's embarrassing. 

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6 minutes ago, binman said:

You suggesting other posters of being embarrassing? Irony, much.

You can't work out if you want to simply be a troll, or want people to take your views seriously or a bit of both. Now that's embarrassing. 

Taken down by logic so you play the man. Typical rubbish from you Binman. Put yourself outside for a spell on the nature strip.

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2 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Taken down by logic so you play the man. Typical rubbish from you Binman.

Taken down by logic. Gold.

And by the by it is binman.

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5 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

By all means do due diligence on Patton, but how many times did Gawn do his knee when drafted (answer: 1) and how many knee recos has Patton had (answer: 3)?

Cannot believe you actually have to explain yourself...

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4 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Taken down by logic so you play the man. Typical rubbish from you Binman. Put yourself outside for a spell on the nature strip.

 

On 4/28/2019 at 8:37 PM, Matsuo Basho said:

Ooh teacher's pet. Not surprised you're the type who sits up the front of the class. Sap.

Range Rover, if you really want to keep pumping this thread of yours, try not to make a complete embarrassment of yourself. I cringe every time you post

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8 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

By all means do due diligence on Patton, but how many times did Gawn do his knee when drafted (answer: 1) and how many knee recos has Patton had (answer: 3)?

He’d done an ACL in 2009, and I was responding to KDAs post (somewhat sarcastically) regarding ACL history.

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3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Cannot believe you actually have to explain yourself...

He didn’t need to... particularly as my post was never directed at Moonshadow.

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Just now, hardtack said:

He’d done an ACL in 2009, and I was responding to KDAs post (somewhat sarcastically) regarding ACL history.

Sorry Tacky, wasn't meaning to have a go at you, just making a general observation once I read your post.

We need a sarcasm font on Land too 😉

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20 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

 

Range Rover, if you really want to keep pumping this thread of yours, try not to make a complete embarrassment of yourself. I cringe every time you post

It doesn’t bother me what you think of my posts. However cheers for helping keep the Jonno Patton thread front and centre. We seriously need this guy.

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