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The 2019 Draft and Trade Targets Thread


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1 minute ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I do not rate Jenkins and he would not come cheap in terms of salary, would rather pick up Casboult as a free agent to smash packs and provide a marking target and allow Weid to play as a leading target

Yeah I'm not a big Jenkins fan either tbh, but I think we potentially could get him 'cheaply' given he seems on the outer at the Crows. Would really be looking at him to fill a senior depth role, bit like Pedersen did for a few years and T.Smith does currently. Wouldn't mind Casboult either, wouldn't exactly help our goal kicking but could be handy as a higher key forward who could make space for the other talls. Either way, would be looking at either as more insurance rather than 'best 22' as such.

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12 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I do not rate Jenkins and he would not come cheap in terms of salary, would rather pick up Casboult as a free agent to smash packs and provide a marking target and allow Weid to play as a leading target

Jenkins is still under contract and Casboult is a liability.   

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Who do you suggest we realistically target then?

I’m not sure who will be available come the end of the season but getting C graders is not going to do anything to improve us except clog up the list.  

T Mac back in form and another pre- season into Weeds will make a massive difference. 

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13 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah I'm not a big Jenkins fan either tbh, but I think we potentially could get him 'cheaply' given he seems on the outer at the Crows. Would really be looking at him to fill a senior depth role, bit like Pedersen did for a few years and T.Smith does currently. Wouldn't mind Casboult either, wouldn't exactly help our goal kicking but could be handy as a higher key forward who could make space for the other talls. Either way, would be looking at either as more insurance rather than 'best 22' as such.

I would take Casboult over Jenkins. 

  • Jenkins would want to play as best 22 and at his salary we could not afford him in the VFL.
  • Jenkins has another 3 years on his sizeable $$ contract (when he will be 33 yo), whereas Casboult is on a much lower salary and out of contract this year. 
  • Nothing comes 'cheaply' with Adelaide so they would insist on a high draft pick and we take over his $$ contract.  No trade required for Casboult as he is a free agent this year.

We have a depth player to contest in the forward line and that is the Big Scary Man, Preuss.  Like Casboult he wouldn't be there for goals but to add some muscle and create a contest. 

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14 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I’m not sure who will be available come the end of the season but getting C graders is not going to do anything to improve us except clog up the list.  

T Mac back in form and another pre- season into Weeds will make a massive difference. 

With both TMac and Weid out this weekend, one of those "C graders" would be playing. That's the point both Pennant and I have been talking about, mature depth. We're being realistic here about what can be achieved in one trade period, and realistically you can't have 44 A graders on your list. I'm not saying you're doing this necessarily, but I don't understand how so many people can only think in terms of 'best 22' when it comes to trading in players. We've used more players than any other team this year, we're up to nearly 40 players which is getting close to the entire list, so I personally think a little bit of mature depth WOULD improve us.

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29 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Day?

Yep, don't mind that suggestion, my only concern is if you can't break into the worst team in the comp consistently, is there something wrong, or has he just told them he's out and so they're not keen on playing him?

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10 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I would take Casboult over Jenkins. 

  • Jenkins would want to play as best 22 and at his salary we could not afford him in the VFL.
  • Jenkins has another 3 years on his sizeable $$ contract (when he will be 33 yo), whereas Casboult is on a much lower salary and out of contract this year. 
  • Nothing comes 'cheaply' with Adelaide so they would insist on a high draft pick and we take over his $$ contract.  No trade required for Casboult as he is a free agent this year.

We have a depth player to contest in the forward line and that is the Big Scary Man, Preuss.  Like Casboult he wouldn't be there for goals but to add some muscle and create a contest. 

Genuine question, but when trading in a contracted player, does the new club have to honour the same contract length? Given clubs are often paying part of the salary of a traded out player (Watts is an example), does that mean a 'new' contract is negotiated with the new club?

I'm not fussed between the two tbh, so you're definitely making me lean towards Levi. I think we definitely need more than "A depth player" (Preuss) though, and our lineup today exposes that a bit, hence why I think a mature body KPF would be a handy addition to our depth.

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9 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Genuine question, but when trading in a contracted player, does the new club have to honour the same contract length? Given clubs are often paying part of the salary of a traded out player (Watts is an example), does that mean a 'new' contract is negotiated with the new club?

I'm not fussed between the two tbh, so you're definitely making me lean towards Levi. I think we definitely need more than "A depth player" (Preuss) though, and our lineup today exposes that a bit, hence why I think a mature body KPF would be a handy addition to our depth.

Yes, the Crows could elect to pay some of Jenkin's contract.

The last line is a bit confusing needing 'more than 'A depth player' but a mature body...would be a handy addition to our depth... 

We may have different definitions of 'depth'.  To me it is someone who comes into the seniors when needed for injury, match ups or team balance otherwise they play at Casey.

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18 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

With both TMac and Weid out this weekend, one of those "C graders" would be playing. That's the point both Pennant and I have been talking about, mature depth. We're being realistic here about what can be achieved in one trade period, and realistically you can't have 44 A graders on your list. I'm not saying you're doing this necessarily, but I don't understand how so many people can only think in terms of 'best 22' when it comes to trading in players. We've used more players than any other team this year, we're up to nearly 40 players which is getting close to the entire list, so I personally think a little bit of mature depth WOULD improve us.

I understand your sentiment but you are not recruiting players such as Jenkins on 800k a year as depth players.  

Your depth players need to be developed and I believe kids are the best approach here.  

Having T Mac and Weed both injured is unlucky.  

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9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Yes, the Crows could elect to pay some of Jenkin's contract.

The last line is a bit confusing needing 'more than 'A depth player' but a mature body...would be a handy addition to our depth... 

We may have different definitions of 'depth'.  To me it is someone who comes into the seniors when needed for injury, match ups or team balance otherwise they play at Casey.

Yep, aware the Crows may be forced to pay some of his contract, seems a reasonably common occurrence in the modern AFL landscape, but was more wondering if anyone knew about contract length. I know player managers would be hesitant to allow a contract length to be reduced, but wondering if it's actually allowed or not.

What I meant by that is we need more than one depth player as a key forward, hence my emphasis on "A", given we were talking about Preuss today. I think we have the same definition of depth mate, your description is absolutely in line with mine.

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3 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I understand your sentiment but you are not recruiting players such as Jenkins on 800k a year as depth players.  

Your depth players need to be developed and I believe kids are the best approach here.  

Having T Mac and Weed both injured is unlucky.  

Would like to see both Petty and Oscar put on 10k's of muscle and have a good pre season and then see how they go up forward.

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Just now, Demons11 said:

I understand your sentiment but you are not recruiting players such as Jenkins on 800k a year as depth players.  

Your depth players need to be developed and I believe kids are the best approach here.  

Having T Mac and Weed both injured is unlucky.  

Jenkins is on 550k a year I believe, and I would think if the Crows were keen to shuffle him out then they'd be paying a portion of that.

I absolutely agree we may need to look at some key forward youth, but my argument would be having some mature depth means we can develop them more steadily and not have to throw them in when form may not demand it.

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8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Jenkins is on 550k a year I believe, and I would think if the Crows were keen to shuffle him out then they'd be paying a portion of that.

I absolutely agree we may need to look at some key forward youth, but my argument would be having some mature depth means we can develop them more steadily and not have to throw them in when form may not demand it.

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1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Who do you suggest? I'm open minded about this, just putting forward realistic scenarios.

I’m keen on Day as a free agent 

But in terms of the next Mihocek? You’ve gotta be lucky - started as a defender st vfl level and has been terrific as a forward at afl level...Pies re-tooled him as a necessity to fill a role and he’s been terrific ever since 

There has to be another player out there who we can get lucky with; we’ve already seen Hore become best 22 for us (subject to availability) and there MUST be more 22-25 year olds out there more than capable of achieving at afl level

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3 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

I’m keen on Day as a free agent 

But in terms of the next Mihocek? You’ve gotta be lucky - started as a defender st vfl level and has been terrific as a forward at afl level...Pies re-tooled him as a necessity to fill a role and he’s been terrific ever since 

There has to be another player out there who we can get lucky with; we’ve already seen Hore become best 22 for us (subject to availability) and there MUST be more 22-25 year olds out there more than capable of achieving at afl level

Yeah, I'm definitely open to the Day option, keep hearing Dees fans talk about him, have we been linked to him yet?

Is Buxton (Casey) any chop as a key forward, or is he more pure ruckman? Haven't seen him play in person, but could he be an option for that kind of pickup?

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Yep, don't mind that suggestion, my only concern is if you can't break into the worst team in the comp consistently, is there something wrong, or has he just told them he's out and so they're not keen on playing him?

Lots of players can't break into their current teams for a variety of reasons. Look at Preuss at North, or even Tom Mitchell at Swans, for that matter. Not saying Day would be a star but there must be a reason he was highly rated and picked in the pointy end of his draft.

I reckon the club (many clubs) would be looking hard at him. 

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