The 2019 Draft and Trade Targets Thread

[MikeAlphaTango 150]

Not sure if either have been mentioned but surely we'd be looking at the below mature aged players from the state leagues.

Matt Hammellman has kicked 60 + goals two years in a row in the NEAFL. Previously listed at Brisbane and delisted in 2017. 197cm strong marking forward.

Liam McBean is leading the SANFL goal kicking this year with 46 goals from 17 games. 202cm forward, delisted by Richmond in 2016.

 

[Demon3 2,541]

On 8/21/2019 at 10:44 AM, Red and Blue realist said:

Totally agree, but lets not nurse him to 300, keep him on the list but make him earn the spot. He should be like Lewis this year and Vince the year before and be told he's not an automatic selection and that he has to be prepared to play Casey. He's been offered minimal money that reflects this anyway, and won't be captain next season. 

Having said that, he would be the absolutely perfect person to go to the Gold Coast to help out for a year, but it would be cruel given what he's been through with us.  

He ain't winning a flag with us, and we are only giving him a year. He would get 2 at the Suns and on better coin, if i was him i would think about it. He deserved more success, but sometimes you don't get what you want in life,  he has been well paid, has a place in history at our club. No one would begrudge him.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

14 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

if i was joel smith, i would probably want to leave to have another opportunity at a new environment

i imagine the bigger question is whether, given his injury history, anyone else would be interested in investing in him

Doubt any other club will look at him, they've got no real history to go off. Hopefully he'll back himself in with the new high performance staff to get it right.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

1 hour ago, Demon3 said:

He ain't winning a flag with us, and we are only giving him a year. He would get 2 at the Suns and on better coin, if i was him i would think about it. He deserved more success, but sometimes you don't get what you want in life,  he has been well paid, has a place in history at our club. No one would begrudge him.

I'm of the opinion that we'll rebound strongly next year, but Jones might be pushed out along the way. Nothing wrong with that, but I hope the club makes sure that even if he does get a bigger/better offer from GC that they are seen as fully supporting him if he did take it. We can't have the JMac scenario again (even just the optics of that). 

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

2 hours ago, MikeAlphaTango said:

Not sure if either have been mentioned but surely we'd be looking at the below mature aged players from the state leagues.

Matt Hammellman has kicked 60 + goals two years in a row in the NEAFL. Previously listed at Brisbane and delisted in 2017. 197cm strong marking forward.

Liam McBean is leading the SANFL goal kicking this year with 46 goals from 17 games. 202cm forward, delisted by Richmond in 2016.

 

Weid has just had operations on his hips, so you'd think there's a chance he'll take a while to get going, so 1 mature aged player could be a great stop gap. McBean would be my pick of those 2 because the NEAFL is very weak this year, I was hoping we'd be looking for a crumber who can come in and make an instant impact as well, maybe someone with a bit of flair who's been overlooked. 

[Demon3 2,541]

16 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I'm of the opinion that we'll rebound strongly next year, but Jones might be pushed out along the way. Nothing wrong with that, but I hope the club makes sure that even if he does get a bigger/better offer from GC that they are seen as fully supporting him if he did take it. We can't have the JMac scenario again (even just the optics of that). 

Good call.

[Laughing Goat 308]

On 8/20/2019 at 9:07 AM, rjay said:

You are way off the mark with Petracca 'Bombay'...

He has ben good in an otherwise lacklustre forward half.

If we need him to be a superstar you are probably right but if we need a good player then he is it.

Rather than superstar I expect him to step up to A grade for his position.

He's the least of our problems.

ANB has signed for 2 years......

wont be going anywhere.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

13 minutes ago, Laughing Goat said:

ANB has signed for 2 years......

wont be going anywhere.

Not yet he hasn't.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

On 8/19/2019 at 1:51 AM, Pennant St Dee said:

Steve I'm against them receiving a PP  but not because of our benefit, my view is further access to young players will do little they need older bigger bodies, C.O.L.A and no limit on FD spending to become anything resembling a football club 

Late reply, sorry. 

Gold Coast will have a much greater chance of attracting mature aged/bodied players with a PP. No? A star even. It gives them options. 

The AFL will do it and fair enough really. 

[Kent 2,574]

On 8/21/2019 at 10:44 AM, Red and Blue realist said:

Totally agree, but lets not nurse him to 300, keep him on the list but make him earn the spot. He should be like Lewis this year and Vince the year before and be told he's not an automatic selection and that he has to be prepared to play Casey. He's been offered minimal money that reflects this anyway, and won't be captain next season. 

Having said that, he would be the absolutely perfect person to go to the Gold Coast to help out for a year, but it would be cruel given what he's been through with us.  

Yes He can bugger that team up as well with his style of play

[Superunknown 3,307]

19 hours ago, Demon3 said:

He ain't winning a flag with us, and we are only giving him a year. He would get 2 at the Suns and on better coin, if i was him i would think about it. He deserved more success, but sometimes you don't get what you want in life,  he has been well paid, has a place in history at our club. No one would begrudge him.

This. Life is amazing, but some of the outcomes are sh$t. Greg Norman's lack of majors a perfect example. You handle that with grace if you can (I think the Shark was the epitome of grace, see how he handled Faldo post loss August 1996). Nursing someone along because of a romanticism, in this day and age, I think, is not helpful.  Have respect of course, but you can't disrespect the club and other players by making exceptions (I'm not saying anyone on DL is suggesting this).

Edited August 22, 2019 by Superunknown

[Demon Dynasty 15,210]

Bucky on SEN now speaking about Franklin's 300th and history of recruiting him.  Likely to brush on the state of the MFC list also FWIW.

[Laughing Goat 308]

15 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Not yet he hasn't.

Signed 4 weeks ago LN. Just hasn't been announced yet......he's locked mate sorry!

[Demon3 2,541]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Goat said:

Signed 4 weeks ago LN. Just hasn't been announced yet......he's locked mate sorry!

why would it not be announced? seems very strange.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

8 minutes ago, Laughing Goat said:

Signed 4 weeks ago LN. Just hasn't been announced yet......he's locked mate sorry!

 

4 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

why would it not be announced? seems very strange.

Was talk about it around then but nothing has been announced, and not sure why they would wait? It's not like it deserves a big build up?

I'm not a Nibbler hater by any stretch, appreciate his work ethic and pressure, and provides handy depth.

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

Haven't heard anything to this effect, but wondering if we'll be now looking at Jack Newnes from St Kilda. He's always been described as a Richo favorite with many of their fans arguing he's got games when he should have there. He's been a bit off the last 2 years but was pretty good between 2014-17, and started this year ok. No superstar at all but could be another wing we might look at, that won't cost us anything on the trade table. 

[Vineytime 783]

Interesting that no MFC players have been spoken about yet as of being a trade interest to other clubs. 

[spirit of norm smith 12,840]

On 8/17/2019 at 7:50 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

Langdon for 2nd round 2019 (circa #21) and swap of 1st rounders in 2020 with Freo. Outside run on the wing  GET HIM IN  

Schoenmakers 25yo who can be picked up as a free agent - 3rd tall or backup for Weid  - Good Eye for the goals  (we need goal kickers)

#2-3 Ash -18yo  instantly walks into wing opposite Langdon  ; big call needed if Rowell was available 

#39 Bergman - 18yo classy youngster from the Dragons    Suits our need to get skilled footballers in  

# 57 - Brodie Newman 18yo  super talent  doesn’t get all the recognition  like an Easton Wood type   Competitive skilled wins the footy 192cm   Allows Salem into a roll in mid if needed

# 75-  will Fordham 23yo  (Frankston VFL) classy skilled midfielder who runs and accumulates OR Matthew Allen - eagles listed but  stars everyweek in wafl (wasted)

upgrade to the list. Dunkley. Lockhart.  CWagner

Gone. 9) Lewis Spargo Keilty T Smith Jkh Maynard Garlett Walker Jwags 

medicals  avberg Jsmith kkolodahjjjjjjji 

 

Bergman getting some good acknowledgements. Unfortunate.  I was hoping he would be available at our 3rd round pick around 39-40. 

[Mach5 4,482]

On 8/23/2019 at 9:10 PM, Vineytime said:

Interesting that no MFC players have been spoken about yet as of being a trade interest to other clubs. 

 

Unsurprising based on their collective performances this year?

There’ll be a few nibbles, but I doubt we’ll lose anyone we’d miss dearly.

[Demon Dynasty 15,210]

Mods pls delete if posted elsewhere previously. 

All cake, no icing: Three offseason strategies to fix the dreadful Demons...(John Elliot)

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/08/27/all-cake-no-icing-three-offseason-strategies-to-fix-the-dreadful-demons/

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

23 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Mods pls delete if posted elsewhere previously. 

All cake, no icing: Three offseason strategies to fix the dreadful Demons...(John Elliot)

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/08/27/all-cake-no-icing-three-offseason-strategies-to-fix-the-dreadful-demons/

Some fair information in the article, although very misguided on how they assess the value of draft picks/trades. Using the AFL coaches award is as bad as using Brownlow votes, this year there's only 2 out of the top 20 who aren't mids/rucks or spend a fair amount of time through the middle of the ground, in 2018 there was only 1 out of the top 20. Given we've traded for key defenders, who don't get a look in in these awards it's a flawed ranking system. 

[Moonshadow 16,115]

29 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Mods pls delete if posted elsewhere previously. 

All cake, no icing: Three offseason strategies to fix the dreadful Demons...(John Elliot)

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/08/27/all-cake-no-icing-three-offseason-strategies-to-fix-the-dreadful-demons/

Fess up, which 'Land poster is Josh Elliot? Sounds like a carbon copy of the talk here

[Murph1524 52]

I don't mind his 3 options for the draft/trade period. Has there been any more mention of Ben King coming out of GC?

1) Trade pick 2 for Brad Hill and Ed Langdon – potentially moving on a player if you need to, to make the salary cap work. Take pick 20 to the draft.

2) Trade pick 2 for Ben King and pick 20 for Ed Langdon.

3) Trade pick 20 for Ed Langdon, and take pick 2 to the draft – or if you can downgrade it for two picks, like say two first-rounders from GWS, consider that.

[Murph1524 52]

Also suggests picking up Tomlinson and Amon in free agency on top of these moves. Both good options imo

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

26 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Fess up, which 'Land poster is Josh Elliot? Sounds like a carbon copy of the talk here

He is a die-in-the-woods North supporter.  Keen observer of the game and has the knack of being quite neutral and objective in his articles.  Not to mention insightful.