Changes: Rd 05 v St. Kilda

[DV8 2,271]

Will we divide our skippers in the next week & a half ?  Saints - Tigers.

Will Viney rest out the Saints game, for Maynard...  and Jones rest out the Tigers game, for Viney ?

[picket fence 15,059]

4 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Will we divide our skippers in the next week & a half ?  Saints - Tigers.

Will Viney rest out the Saints game, for Maynard...  and Jones rest out the Tigers game, for Viney ?

INSANE!!

[whatwhat say what 18,793]

46 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Will we divide our skippers in the next week & a half ?  Saints - Tigers.

Will Viney rest out the Saints game, for Maynard...  and Jones rest out the Tigers game, for Viney ?

god i hope not

love the idea of an in-form and switched-on garlett being in the side, and i really like what lockhart offered in his first two games at afl level, so...

IN: lockhart, garlett, jetta
OUT: spargo, c wagner, j wagner

B: Jetta - Frost - Hore
HB: Salem - O Mac - Hibberd
? Harmes - Jones - Brayshaw
HF: Petracca - T Mac - Hunt
F: Preuss - Weideman - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I/c: Stretch - Fritsch - Garlett - Lockhart
Emerg: Spargo - Petty - C Wagner - J Wagner

ostensible best squad currently injured: may, lewis, lever, kolodjashnij, hannan, vandenberg, j smith (also jkh, who is probably in that 28-32nd player on the list)

[Nasher 33,047]

Why would our captains need a rest 4 games in to the season?

[Wiseblood 24,636]

5 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Why would our captains need a rest 4 games in to the season?

There are some questions you would think you wouldn't have to ask on Demonland. 

The above is one of them, Nash. Very strange suggestion to rest the captains. 

[58er 5,593]

7 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

god i hope not

love the idea of an in-form and switched-on garlett being in the side, and i really like what lockhart offered in his first two games at afl level, so...

IN: lockhart, garlett, jetta
OUT: spargo, c wagner, j wagner

B: Jetta - Frost - Hore
HB: Salem - O Mac - Hibberd
? Harmes - Jones - Brayshaw
HF: Petracca - T Mac - Hunt
F: Preuss - Weideman - Melksham
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I/c: Stretch - Fritsch - Garlett - Lockhart
Emerg: Spargo - Petty - C Wagner - J Wagner

ostensible best squad currently injured: may, lewis, lever, kolodjashnij, hannan, vandenberg, j smith (also jkh, who is probably in that 28-32nd player on the list)

Lewy is available this week  believe.

Could  he kept for Tigers 4 days later?

[Demon Dude 425]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Lewy is available this week  believe.

Could  he kept for Tigers 4 days later?

well he should be fresh, 2 games in 5 days will probably do him good, so I say get him in.

[buck_nekkid 5,459]

It would be interesting to know how the club are approaching this patch of footy, in terms of managing loads leading into the ‘double header’.  I wonder if we will be selecting essentially for both games and managing loads and training across the week accordingly (group 1, both games, managed right through, group 2, Saints game, early week load, group 3, Tigers, late week load, etc).

I also wonder whether this patch was somehow on the minds of the conditioning staff in the lead into the season?  Perhaps the ‘load’ of these two games somehow influenced the preparation, which we then saw in weeks 1-3? They have looked underdone up to the Swans game.

[Sydee 3,612]

We are definitely not travelling well enough atm to play anything less than best 22 available each week

We are 1-3 and hardly setting the world on fire - this week will be a massive challenge imo - the saints made us look pretty ordinary last year at the G and they will not be easy and should go into this weeks game as clear favourites

We need to get cracking and string some wins together otherwise finals will not be happening 

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 3,925]

HAHA wtf. Viney played ok and Jones his best game for a long time....

 

 

[sisso 2,383]

Viney seems to be gradually getting fitter with each match (his second half was ok against Sydney) so we'd be mad to rest him now.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

 Lewis could be back this week and could have played against Sydney but precaution took precedence . Although he is getting on he has been missed and still has plenty to offer. Lewy is the General in the back half and will launch our attacking moves.

I like to see Jeffy for pressure and speed in  playing up forward and his goal sense.

IN Lewis and Garlett.  .... need the experience and the know how in the coming weeks.

OUT ?????????????          I feel for whoever is out  this week.

[Ugottobekidding 913]

Spargo only got five touches and no tackles... stretch is far more valuable at this stage.

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

It would be interesting to know how the club are approaching this patch of footy, in terms of managing loads leading into the ‘double header’.  I wonder if we will be selecting essentially for both games and managing loads and training across the week accordingly (group 1, both games, managed right through, group 2, Saints game, early week load, group 3, Tigers, late week load, etc).

I also wonder whether this patch was somehow on the minds of the conditioning staff in the lead into the season?  Perhaps the ‘load’ of these two games somehow influenced the preparation, which we then saw in weeks 1-3? They have looked underdone up to the Swans game.

Good comment buck. At some point, and maybe coming soon, there is going to have to be a decision on whether to play Oliver. The midfields are going to have to be ready with plans B C and D especially outside Mids.

[Docs Demons 1,656]

10 hours ago, picket fence said:

INSANE!!

Exactly we should and will not play around with changes just because it is a short turn around from Saints to Tigers. We must play our best, fittest available and if that means Jones and Viney play both if fit. You do not play around with the side when we have only won one game. We need our best firing for both these and get back to the pack.

[Lucifers Hero 36,983]

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

It would be interesting to know how the club are approaching this patch of footy, in terms of managing loads leading into the ‘double header’.  I wonder if we will be selecting essentially for both games and managing loads and training across the week accordingly (group 1, both games, managed right through, group 2, Saints game, early week load, group 3, Tigers, late week load, etc).

As Casey have a bye I wonder if the club will organise a practice match for them.  Then Lewis and May can have a game-type run as they have had next to nil game time in the last month.  (Jones, Viney and Melksham played Casey practice matches just before the season proper). 

Also a good chance to have another look at Garlett and others, maybe KK if over concussion.   

Just a few quarters each and modify their training and have them all cherry ripe for ANZAC Day. 

More generally, we play 3 games over a 13 day period which is similar to playing 3 games with 2 consequtive 6-day beaks.  Our fitness staff are used to this sort of stuff.  Didn't we have 3 or 4 consequtive 6 day breaks with interstate trips in the middle of 2017? 

Lots of options available to the club so I don't see the 4 day break as a problem especially as we have an extra 2.5 days extra rest than Rich this week and they also play ANZAC Eve off 4-day break.

They need to manage the return of Houli, Cotchin, Dusty and Riewoldt if they are to play ANZAC Eve.  So their player management issues are similar to ours. 

So ANZAC Eve will be a level playing field.

 

Just to note:  After ANZAC Eve we have a 10 day break so plenty of recovery time before playing the Hawks who have a 6 day break.  So we are doing ok with time between games.

Edited April 15, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[Diamond_Jim 11,679]

we certainly don't have the necessary depth to manage players. Both are must win games. Perhaps Keilty for Preuss in one game and Garlett for Spargo in another but it's margins stuff.

Just kick20 goals against the saints in the first half and cost for the second.. easy isn't it !!

The reality is that our game plan works against us in situations such as this.

Would have liked to see KK at Casey and then dependent on form play him against Richmond but that grrrrrrrrrr bye at VFL level prevents that

Edited April 15, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

When teams like GC are winning games early in the season, it's a possible sign that some teams are ahead of their counterparts in fitness, dietary specifics and ball handling. I think that St Kilda also are in this category. If anyone has info on these type of training methods, i would be interested to hear about it. Having said that this upcoming game could be quite entertaining.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,381]

11 minutes ago, willmoy said:

When teams like GC are winning games early in the season, it's a possible sign that some teams are ahead of their counterparts in fitness, dietary specifics and ball handling. I think that St Kilda also are in this category. If anyone has info on these type of training methods, i would be interested to hear about it. Having said that this upcoming game could be quite entertaining.

It's also possible that GC might be winning games because they've finally got players who want to play for the club rather than quit at the first opportunity.

I'm not being critical of those who chose to leave, but it must be a much happier place at the moment.

[Willmoy1947 3,762]

41 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

It's also possible that GC might be winning games because they've finally got players who want to play for the club rather than quit at the first opportunity.

I'm not being critical of those who chose to leave, but it must be a much happier place at the moment.

Yes you can see the urgency that disappeared for quite a few years and has noticeably returned. Even raw emotion...

[Deemania since 56 6,122]

9 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

OUT ?????????????          I feel for whoever is out  this week.

Gotta be OMac for Petty, Keilty, anyone else? 

[CHF 2,585]

For the Saints name the best 22 available and hit them hard. 

For the Tiges, assess the aches and pains from the Saints game and look at who is available for the match and put together the best side available.

With a bit of luck we have the game in hand early with the Saints and we can 'rest' a couple of key players for the last quarter and have them a little fresher for a few days later. We do get an additional 3hrs recovery time than the Tiges and I hope they have a tough hard match against the Swannies the Saturday before.

 

 

 

[DeezNuts 624]

On 4/14/2019 at 5:50 PM, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

There are 168 hours in a week* of which game time is about 2.5. You'd think that the remaining 165.5 hours would be sufficient time for any player to rest. But, clubs "rest" players all the time, so clearly the effects of a single game are significant. However, I can't see how any player should need a "rest" after only four games. If he's injured, don't play him; if he's just out of form, decide whether he needs more game time to recover touch or whether he needs to drop back to Casey for a while. For what it's worth, in my view he's playing OK. Not AA form that he's capable of, but not worthy of demoting, either.  

 

*Note: 168 hours is a normal week. Six day breaks, etc, stuff up the maths. 

Sure, but he looked cooked. So when I say rest, I really mean, build his fitness up. Marty Hore got into position so many more times than Hibbo did. Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy, but he’s best able to two-way rum when he’s fully fit. 

[DeezNuts 624]

Historically, how has Jeffy fared against the ‘aints? (For someone more statistically minded than me)

[Wiseblood 24,636]

3 minutes ago, DeezNuts said:

Historically, how has Jeffy fared against the ‘aints? (For someone more statistically minded than me)

Over his career, both with us and the Blues, he has played St. Kilda 15 times and kicked 23.12.

Edit - he has kicked 8 goals in 6 games against the Saints for us.  Not terrific numbers.

Edited April 15, 2019 by Wiseblood