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Both have played 2 games in a row. Josh is much cleaner with the ball then i have ever seen him and Corey doesnt fumble and hits the contests hard. 

Hope they both keep this form up.

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Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Both have played 2 games in a row. Josh is much cleaner with the ball then i have ever seen him and Corey doesnt fumble and hits the contests hard. 

Hope they both keep this form up.

Wow. I can’t wait for both of them to be out of the side. We won’t beat a top-10 side while they’re in ours.

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1 minute ago, Mach5 said:

Wow. I can’t wait for both of them to be out of the side. We won’t beat a top-10 side while they’re in ours.

We are not going to have our best 22 each week. If we at least get honest efforts from either and contribute like they did tonight then they are doing their job.

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5 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Wow. I can’t wait for both of them to be out of the side. We won’t beat a top-10 side while they’re in ours.

That's harsh, but true at the same time. They were terrific tonight though and showed how important they are for our depth. 

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2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We are not going to have our best 22 each week. If we at least get honest efforts from either and contribute like they did tonight then they are doing their job.

I see their performances much differently to you. It’s like Frost has 2 little brothers.

I don’t expect superstars, but if either of them is in the side, we’re not traveling very well at all.

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Josh had a really good game tonight. Corey was quiet but strong when he was involved. I have noticed the Febey effect. That is sometimes i think they are travelling really well because I can't tell them apart.

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Just now, Wiseblood said:

That's harsh, but true at the same time. They were terrific tonight though and showed how important they are for our depth. 

Yes they're depth

But respect where due, they've both stepped up

Would rather players need to force them out than them just warming the spot for the next guy

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5 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I see their performances much differently to you. It’s like Frost has 2 little brothers.

I don’t expect superstars, but if either of them is in the side, we’re not traveling very well at all.

They are in the side right now because we have nothing else. They are depth yes.

Give credit where credit is due. They were good tonight. 

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They were just average. Just.  Not good enough in a team aspiring to be a top standard club. 

Great young blokes but not showing me that they would be capable in the heat of a top of table physical and skilful encounter. 

Josh’s lack of awareness in the last quarter was nearly costly. 

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I like the Wagner bros, but I didn't think they played to their potential tonight by any means.  Thought they gave great effort, went in hard, got to pleanty of contests and scrapped well, which is really their strong suit.  But I didn't think their ball use by foot was as clean as they are capable of.  Cory in particular just hacked it forward to no one in particular on alot of occasions, but that said the times he did it, it was actually mostly effective and came off to our advantage.

I'd really like these guys to improve their game just that little bit further to the point they could be at the level to justify holding down a regular spot in the team - guys like Nev and Hibbo are somewhat getting on in years and it would be good to have depth options to cover their absence when the time comes.

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I've always liked Josh, thought he reads the play well, good in the air and can kick it nicely. Just is a bit slow for a back flanker and he went through big patches where he wouldn't stick tackles or attack the ball like he did in his first season. He's limited but it's nice to see him doing a job the last two weeks.

Actually not as sold on Corey. I think he does fumble and panic too much for even a depth player and he should be a better tackler given he's got decent pace. I was hoping for depth player with a little upside to build on. That said, worked some hard tonight and is still young and inexperienced, he might start to smooth the rough edges.

Along with Hore, Stretch and Frost the Wagners are mature depth players who did their role when supported by experienced players leading the way. Was nice to see.

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Both solid tonight, but will be eclipsed in the near future. Or they aren't, hopefully it'll mean they've both improved immensely and deserve to be in our best, fit 22.

Would love a Rampe or Lloooyyyyyyd in our side.

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5 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Wow. I can’t wait for both of them to be out of the side. We won’t beat a top-10 side while they’re in ours.

Agree though Cory has room for improvement.

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7 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

They were just average. Just.  Not good enough in a team aspiring to be a top standard club. 

Great young blokes but not showing me that they would be capable in the heat of a top of table physical and skilful encounter. 

Josh’s lack of awareness in the last quarter was nearly costly. 

I find these sorts of comments from armchair pundits really shortsighted and at worst condescending to the individual. All premiership teams have guys that play their role, that just do enough to be in the side at the right time.

Who would have thought these blokes would have premiership medals....

Nathan Vardy

Mitch Morton

Zaine Cordy

Matthew Spagher

Max Bailey

Mitch Morton

Trent West

Chris Dawes 😯

and did I mention Mitch Morton?

 

 

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8 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

They were just average. Just.  Not good enough in a team aspiring to be a top standard club. 

Great young blokes but not showing me that they would be capable in the heat of a top of table physical and skilful encounter. 

Josh’s lack of awareness in the last quarter was nearly costly. 

I assume Josh’s “lack of awareness” was the hospital handpass he received and was flattened by Buddy the instant he laid a finger on the ball?

Hopefully you’re not not using one single isolated incident, that wasn’t really an incident, and applying it to a player as a whole of quarter issue, because I didn’t see any others.

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1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

I find these sorts of comments from armchair pundits really shortsighted and at worst condescending to the individual. All premiership teams have guys that play their role, that just do enough to be in the side at the right time.

Who would have thought these blokes would have premiership medals....

Nathan Vardy

Mitch Morton

Zaine Cordy

Matthew Spagher

Max Bailey

Mitch Morton

Trent West

Chris Dawes 😯

and did I mention Mitch Morton?

 

 

Mitch Morton won them the game in his only good 1/4 of football ever.

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9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Both have played 2 games in a row. Josh is much cleaner with the ball then i have ever seen him and Corey doesnt fumble and hits the contests hard. 

Hope they both keep this form up.

Dazzle, do you think ANB should come back in to give us some extra run vs the Saints.  Get him in I say!

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Vandenberg and Jetta will take their spots when fit 

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3 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Dazzle, do you think ANB should come back in to give us some extra run vs the Saints.  Get him in I say!

Yes

In all seriousness ANB would have smashed us last night with his constant fumbles galore. Especially after it got dewy and greasy after half time.

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25 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Mitch Morton won them the game in his only good 1/4 of football ever.

Most likely because he knew he was [censored] if his old man caught up with him after the final siren!

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The  Wagner's are  playing there roll and picking  up good game time that will help us in the near future. They are doing the hard yards down at Casey and are consistent performers . They bring their talent to the AFL and as you can see they play hard run hard and still learning and getting acclimatized .  Josh has played 30 odd games now and Cory has been given a chance to show his talents.

However you can call them depth players but you also can see them forcing themselves as a permanent fixture in the side. Room for improvement a plenty. Just to say that they do bring back memories of the Febey's  Brothers.

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4 hours ago, Engorged Onion said:

I find these sorts of comments from armchair pundits really shortsighted and at worst condescending to the individual. All premiership teams have guys that play their role, that just do enough to be in the side at the right time.

Who would have thought these blokes would have premiership medals....

Nathan Vardy

Mitch Morton

Zaine Cordy

Matthew Spagher

Max Bailey

Mitch Morton

Trent West

Chris Dawes 😯

and did I mention Mitch Morton?

 

 

This list is incomplete without former Melbourne great Steven Armstrong

I believe it's a Demonland rule that his name be raised in any discussion of undeserving premiership players.

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12 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Both have played 2 games in a row. Josh is much cleaner with the ball then i have ever seen him and Corey doesnt fumble and hits the contests hard. 

Hope they both keep this form up.

You're a funny bloke.  

You carry on about Hore, repeatedly denigrating him as though you think people need to be told something 20 times, because once won't do, and you now lord the Wagners, who are average depth players at best.

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Josh played well last night, anyone who says otherwise either didn't watch the game or their views are completely clouded by previous performances. Clearly with Lever, May, Lewis and Jetta fit he won't be playing but I don't think anyone is suggesting that. My likely unpopular opinion is that he is performing better than Hibberd right now..

Corey had a solid game. He's unlikely to ever be a superstar but he's the exact type of player we want to play the ANB 2018 role. Is he can put the pressure on he will remain in the side. Unlike ANB, Corey doesn't butcher the footy. We could do alot worse than him right now.

 

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Josh may never be a star but in his first few games in 2017, he showed grit, determination, guts and a willingness to take the game on that suggested he could develop into a good defender. 

I prefer Josh over Corey but the two are tough hard players who relish the contest.

I prefer players like the Wagners and Spargo who have a real crack every week over others who go missing in action. 

They may be depth but they are important depth. 

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