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8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

It would mean Stretch would be axed.

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, PETTY, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, TOMLINSON

HF: MARTIN, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: MELKSHAM, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, HARMES, YOUNG, WEIGHTMAN

Good looking team!

I'd squeeze AVB in there, if by some miracle he'd be fit

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14 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

Our interest in Martin is more strategic. We negotiate with Carlton to not take him in the psd and they agree to be creative with pick swaps now or down the track. Alternately, tbey agree to not pick certain players we nominate now or in the future so they fall through to us. Until that happens we chase Martin hard with a longer term deal with triggers and get Nev Jetta to meet and offer to mentor him

Can't trust them.

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On 10/17/2019 at 7:39 PM, trout said:

Yeah fair enough, I didn’t follow what Carlton were offering to closely. But it just seemed like a trade that should have been done easily enough and if GC didn’t have those extra picks they wouldn’t have been as fussy.

Your point is valid as part of the AFL assistance package GCS were given rights to their Academy players without using any draft picks.  This is as good as more first and second round draft picks for them so they wouldn't use Carlton's 2020 picks offered enabling them to reject the paltry offer they made for Martin.

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28 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Good looking team!

I'd squeeze AVB in there, if by some miracle he'd be fit

there are always a handful of injuries (in our case under misson a sh*tload of injuries) at any point in time so there is always some flex for spots for talented players

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1 minute ago, Demons1858 said:

l think this is draft tampering at the lower end of the scale and it happens all the time.

It wasn't the possibility of 'tampering' that I was highlighting. 

It is that imv Carlton can simply not be trusted to keep their word.

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Tell him that we will take him in the PSD if he nominates. Force him to talk to us or nominate for the ND. 

If he nominates for the ND it's possible that a club like the Crows or Freo would pick him up without giving a [censored] where he wants to go.

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Spots 38, 39 and 40 left

pick 3 = young (defender who can kick)

pick 8 = kemp (versatile mid or forward)

pick 97 = where’s Wylie (198cm Forward nurtured at the cattery)

pick 2 in PSD if there’s someone better than JKH = Martin even if he’s inconsistent

DFA if there’s someone better than Stretch = Murray has pace even if a dh

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9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

It would mean Stretch would be axed.

B: JETTA, MAY, LEVER

HB: HIBBERD, PETTY, SALEM

C : LANGDON, OLIVER, TOMLINSON

HF: MARTIN, T.MCDONALD, PETRACCA

F: MELKSHAM, WEIDEMAN, FRITSCH

FOLL: GAWN, VINEY, BRAYSHAW

IC: JONES, HARMES, YOUNG, WEIGHTMAN

I’d replace AVB with Jones & if Hibberd doesn’t perform at the start of the season replace him with Hore.

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14 minutes ago, Demon Head said:

Just to add some perspective to Jack Martin, these are his career averages (per game):

16 disposals, 5 marks, 0.8 goals, 3.7 tackles, 2 inside50s, 1.7 clearances

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-gold-coast-suns--jack-martin

Contrast JM to Billy Stretch using Footywire. Why on earth would we pay this guy $600k+ per season?

Player Statistics Comparison
 
Jack Martin Name Billy Stretch
Gold Coast Suns Team Melbourne Demons
Midfield, Forward Position Midfield
97 Career Games 47
Geraldton Origin Glenelg
January 29, 1995 Date of Birth September 8, 1996
24yr 8mth Age 23yr 1mth
186cm Height 180cm
82kg Weight 77kg
2012 Mini Draft Last Drafted In 2014 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #1 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #42
Gold Coast Suns Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons
Career Stats for Season Career
97 Games 47
10.1 Kicks 7.6
6.2 Handballs 8.7
16.4 Disposals 16.3
5.0 Marks 3.1
0.8 Goals 0.2
0.5 Behinds 0.3
3.7 Tackles 3.4
0.1 Hitouts 0
2.0 Inside 50s 1.9
0.4 Goal Assists 0.2
1.0 Frees For 0.5
1.2 Frees Against 0.4
6.8 Contested Possessions 5.5
9.7 Uncontested Possessions 11.1
11.6 Effective Disposals 12.9
70.7% Disposal Efficiency % 79.1%
2.9 Clangers 1.3
0.7 Contested Marks 0.1
0.8 Marks Inside 50 0.3
1.7 Clearances 1.4
1.3 Rebound 50s 1.0
1.2 One Percenters 0.9
0.4 Bounces 0.3
78.9 Time On Ground % 76.6
  Centre Clearances 0.1
  Stoppage Clearances 1.2
  Score Involvements 3.4
  Metres Gained 191.7
  Turnovers 2.0
  Intercepts 2.4
  Tackles Inside 50 0.6
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43 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

No kid reaches their potential at Gold Coast.  Not a single one has.

Melbourne is the perfect fit for for Jack Martin.   We have a brigade of big bodied mids to get the ball out to him and protect him.    Come on Mahoney, make it happen!

Interesting, I was thinking along the same lines. 

Has his development been stifled at GCS?

Can he become the class player he was drafted as?

If so, ~$700K would be very easy to stomach.  

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Big question marks over martins commitment and consistency. He hasn’t be able to play at a consistent high level at GC when it should be easy to stand out. 
plenty of talent but I doubt he’ll become a dedicated professional overnight. No wonder he wants to go to Carlton 

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56 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I wonder if Collingwood, Richmond, Hawthorn or Essendon would do the gentlemanly thing and allow Carlton access to Martin, if they had the pick 2 in the PSD?

The above clubs plus Carlton all let luke ball go to the pies. 
teams don’t take players that say they want to play for them. Nothing to do with not being a tough club 

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16 minutes ago, DubDee said:

The above clubs plus Carlton all let luke ball go to the pies. 
teams don’t take players that say they want to play for them. Nothing to do with not being a tough club 

Take your point there.

I would also bypass Martin if he 100% doesn’t want to play for us.

But at the same time he’s not a free agent and therefore shouldn’t have the right to pick and choose which club he goes to. He hasn’t earnt that status yet.

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26 minutes ago, Left Field said:

Contrast JM to Billy Stretch using Footywire. Why on earth would we pay this guy $600k+ per season?

Player Statistics Comparison
 
Jack Martin Name Billy Stretch
Gold Coast Suns Team Melbourne Demons
Midfield, Forward Position Midfield
97 Career Games 47
Geraldton Origin Glenelg
January 29, 1995 Date of Birth September 8, 1996
24yr 8mth Age 23yr 1mth
186cm Height 180cm
82kg Weight 77kg
2012 Mini Draft Last Drafted In 2014 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #1 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #42
Gold Coast Suns Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons
Career Stats for Season Career
97 Games 47
10.1 Kicks 7.6
6.2 Handballs 8.7
16.4 Disposals 16.3
5.0 Marks 3.1
0.8 Goals 0.2
0.5 Behinds 0.3
3.7 Tackles 3.4
0.1 Hitouts 0
2.0 Inside 50s 1.9
0.4 Goal Assists 0.2
1.0 Frees For 0.5
1.2 Frees Against 0.4
6.8 Contested Possessions 5.5
9.7 Uncontested Possessions 11.1
11.6 Effective Disposals 12.9
70.7% Disposal Efficiency % 79.1%
2.9 Clangers 1.3
0.7 Contested Marks 0.1
0.8 Marks Inside 50 0.3
1.7 Clearances 1.4
1.3 Rebound 50s 1.0
1.2 One Percenters 0.9
0.4 Bounces 0.3
78.9 Time On Ground % 76.6
  Centre Clearances 0.1
  Stoppage Clearances 1.2
  Score Involvements 3.4
  Metres Gained 191.7
  Turnovers 2.0
  Intercepts 2.4
  Tackles Inside 50 0.6

Martin - meh! 

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23 minutes ago, DubDee said:

The above clubs plus Carlton all let luke ball go to the pies. 
teams don’t take players that say they want to play for them. Nothing to do with not being a tough club 

Outside of Luke Ball, when was the last time a player went into a draft saying "I only want to play for Club A"???? Martin doesn't have that right now.

What Melbourne and GC do here could have a significant impact on drafting moving forward. If we pass on Martin, players nominating clubs in drafts could become far more prevalent. 

I hope we utilise the next month to change Martin's mind, but if his wage demands fit in with our list management strategy going forward, I'd be drafting him anyway without question.

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4 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

Outside of Luke Ball, when was the last time a player went into a draft saying "I only want to play for Club A"???? Martin doesn't have that right now.

What Melbourne and GC do here could have a significant impact on drafting moving forward. If we pass on Martin, players nominating clubs in drafts could become far more prevalent. 

I hope we utilise the next month to change Martin's mind, but if his wage demands fit in with our list management strategy going forward, I'd be drafting him anyway without question.

Nick Stevens, wanted to go to Collingwood ended up at Carlton.

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We have 2 ways to land Martin.

1) Convice him that we are a great fit for him, playing midfield as the handball receiver and swapping forward with Tracc.  Then he structures his contract in a way we can sign him.

2) Back all interest off and hope his manager and Carlton get complacent and don’t overly front load his contract. Then we quietly restructure existing players before pouncing on draft night. 

I think we’ve tried option 1. Now it’s time for option 2. It’s going to require stealth and precision and still might not be possible. 

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