Jack Martin

[Damo 2,988]

Jack has made Jack sh!tt difference in a final.

How did Tom Lynch go in his 1st finals last year? Not that he is that good but he would most likely lessen the amount of average players in our best 22. I think $650 per annum is pretty good value. How much is Jake Melksham on?

[Demonland 64,735]

 

[Deemented Are Go! 3,602]

Jeez, relax guy, we’re not gonna take you! 

Imagine he gets a long term injury in those first two seasons, paper bags of cash down the dunny, tee hee! 

[DeeSpencer 23,107]

Yeah I reckon adjusted for the rise of the salary cap in the last and next few years 625 pa is about equivalent to what we would've paid Melksham and Hibberd (both 2nd round trades). Or Jack Watts to Port (although we chipped it 50 or so).

Completely reasonable amount of cash.

Unfortunately what's unreasonable is the 2M in the first 2 years and that's Carlton's gain and the Suns loss.

[58er 5,607]

On 11/13/2019 at 12:50 PM, Damo said:

Jack has made Jack sh!tt difference in a final.

How did Tom Lynch go in his 1st finals last year? Not that he is that good but he would most likely lessen the amount of average players in our best 22. I think $650 per annum is pretty good value. How much is Jake Melksham on?

Are you saying that we couldn't or shouldn't arrange our salary cap for Tom Lynch?

He is worth it And is s better player than you imagine 

Tom is no 2 and Weide or Joel Smith No 3 

mite sll sbout depth and what defenders are needed to mind players !

[John Demonic 4,794]

Quick question, if that salary takes him up to being worth a first round pick, then when he comes into free agency (2020 or 2021**?) - won't they effectively be getting pick 2 compo again with their wooden spoon? The salary cap hit makes sense then if so?

Edited November 14, 2019 by John Demonic
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[John Demonic 4,794]

4 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Quick question, if that salary takes him up to being worth a first round pick, then when he comes into free agency (2020 or 2021**?) - won't they effectively be getting pick 2 compo again with their wooden spoon? The salary cap hit makes sense then if so?

re: https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coast-suns-considering-shock-bid-for-jack-martin-in-afl-preseason-draft/news-story/57f3c75ff5f2c71b8af3675e012cf4c0

[daisycutter 28,485]

and carlton, in good faith, was only prepared to offer a 2nd round pick.....yeah, right

[Cards13 9,117]

40 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

and carlton, in good faith, was only prepared to offer a 2nd round pick.....yeah, right

I hope every club just tries to f k them the next few trade periods. Work in good faith like our boy Mahoney. 

[KLV 1,626]

1 hour ago, Cards13 said:

I hope every club just tries to f k them the next few trade periods. Work in good faith like our boy Mahoney. 

 

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

and carlton, in good faith, was only prepared to offer a 2nd round pick.....yeah, right

Another reason to despise that smelly club

[Pates 9,536]

I hope their front loading of Martin’s contract screws them over from any chance of getting anyone else over the next couple of years. 

Blue bagger wankers. 

[picket fence 15,098]

Why are we still talking about a bloke that has Zero relevance to Dees??

[Moonshadow 16,160]

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Why are we still talking about a bloke that has Zero relevance to Dees??

Why are you telling us what we can discuss?

[picket fence 15,098]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Why are you telling us what we can discuss?

Pffft 

[Moonshadow 16,160]

Just now, picket fence said:

Pffft 

Double pffft

[Watts the matter 1,235]

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Why are we still talking about a bloke that has Zero relevance to Dees??

Melbourne has not ruled out taking Martin in the pre-season draft, although the Demons have said they would only want him if he was interested in playing for them. But Martin has not been willing to meet with them, clearly wishing to ensure he lands at the Blues, who were unable to reach a trade with Gold Coast during the exchange period.

When we rule him out we will stop discussing him.

[buck_nekkid 5,474]

I hope GCS pick him back up.  Laughs all round, I’d reckon!

[Earl Hood 5,788]

Does the AFL have any rules to cover draft tampering? Obviously not it seems, GCS play hard ball for once but he gets to nominate a ridiculous front end loaded contract to put off potential suitors. Rules are too skewed toward the players at present. 

[Demonland 64,735]

Jack Martin is a Blue. 

 

[Mach5 4,482]

Who?

[Lord Travis 10,158]

Hope Pickett lines him up and knocks him into next year.

Soft and overrated. He's a master thief as well! $750,000?!!

Time to close this thread unless it's to add a clip of a Melbourne player lining him up ?

[Sir Why You Little 34,430]

I always wonder about the Carlscum Salary Cap

They are a Laundromat for money ? 

[kallangurdemon 470]

if we can perhaps ignore Carlton for a moment and concentrate on ourselves i  just wonder whether we did enough in this instance to take advantage of that serendipitous opportunity to gain a very good player .As we all know  Martin want one in the same draft that Jesse went two so obviously he was rated .it is difficult to assess his Suns form as he the type of player who would be at his best with talented players around him and those players were in short supply at the Suns .Martin made his preference for Carlton clear but he was just as clear the previous year for his preference for Essendon so I never saw him as welded to the Blues .I accept that his asking price for his first 2 years was high but that was a particularly unsophisticated ruse on Carltons part to fix the mess made by them in the Trade Period  Did we try enough to juggle the financial and personal issues that accompanied his potential drafting?.I of course have no way of knowing that but I my feeling just on reading published material was   that we let a great opportunity slip too easily

[Pates 9,536]

7 hours ago, kallangurdemon said:

if we can perhaps ignore Carlton for a moment and concentrate on ourselves i  just wonder whether we did enough in this instance to take advantage of that serendipitous opportunity to gain a very good player .As we all know  Martin want one in the same draft that Jesse went two so obviously he was rated .it is difficult to assess his Suns form as he the type of player who would be at his best with talented players around him and those players were in short supply at the Suns .Martin made his preference for Carlton clear but he was just as clear the previous year for his preference for Essendon so I never saw him as welded to the Blues .I accept that his asking price for his first 2 years was high but that was a particularly unsophisticated ruse on Carltons part to fix the mess made by them in the Trade Period  Did we try enough to juggle the financial and personal issues that accompanied his potential drafting?.I of course have no way of knowing that but I my feeling just on reading published material was   that we let a great opportunity slip too easily

It’s a difficult one, when him becoming available in the PSD became clear the club made attempts to contact him and he seemed to flatly turn our approaches down. We didn’t chase him when he put himself up for trade both times so clearly he wasn’t really on the club’s radar. I found the fact he didn’t even entertain us as a bit of a slap in the face particularly as Carlton were the ones who failed at the trade table. 

As for whether we could’ve creatively fit him into the club’s finances, what he’s being paid is over his worth, and getting players in on overs coin (particularly if they don’t even want to be there) sets a dangerous precedent for the next round of contract negotiations.

We may well be eying off a FA next year and don’t want to blow our cap. 

I think Martin and Carlton are a match made in heaven. 

Edited November 30, 2019 by Pates

[McQueen 17,862]

*Bump. 
 

Watched this fella and to be frank - he’s average. 
 

The discussion at the time on Demonland (when announced Carlton) was how he could be that outside runner, good in front of goal player we need, etc blah blah d dah blah and we should shaft them in the PS draft. 
 

I know it’s a bit revisionist but given this example, I think our list management right now is as best as it’s been for a long, long while. 

I’m glad they don’t jump at shadows like a lot us of do. 

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