Jump to content

  • Podcast: Gary Pert Interview      

  • Podcast: Gary Pert Interview     

What to do with Nathan Jones


Wrecker45
 Share


Recommended Posts

Nathan Jones is likely to be in our next team of the century.

He stood by MELBOURNE during the worst years when he could have easily left for more money.

Paul Roos, who is a better judge than I, rated his leadership and rates the winning goal he kicked to seal a final as one of his greatest moments he has seen watching football.

Bernie Vince won our b&f, the following year he was moved to the backline and was never the same.

Benie Vince was more dynamic and had more tricks than Jones. Jones can’t play anywhere to AFL standard other than in the guts much like Dom Tyson.

Oliver is close to the best midfielder in the league but I think he could spend less time in the midfield and more across the ground to provide Jones an opportunity to spend more minutes on the ball.

We need to give him more time in the midfield or send him into retirement.

 

 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Give him a role that he can focus on.  Free up his mind.  Have him lock down on a key opposition player.  Stop them. 

Harmes is quicker and more dynamic, so is better suited to the outside running role, while still winning contested footy.

Try it.

  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites


16 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Nathan Jones is likely to be in our next team of the century.

He stood by MELBOURNE during the worst years when he could have easily left for more money.

Paul Roos, who is a better judge than I, rated his leadership and rates the winning goal he kicked to seal a final as one of his greatest moments he has seen watching football.

Bernie Vince won our b&f, the following year he was moved to the backline and was never the same.

Benie Vince was more dynamic and had more tricks than Jones. Jones can’t play anywhere to AFL standard other than in the guts much like Dom Tyson.

Oliver is close to the best midfielder in the league but I think he could spend less time in the midfield and more across the ground to provide Jones an opportunity to spend more minutes on the ball.

We need to give him more time in the midfield or send him into retirement.

 

 

agreed. his only hope is extracting through the midfield. and he is losing confidence I feel. not quick enough to play at the pointy end or the wing. well maybe 'just' be able to.

he should be playing Tysons role.

I think its also a glaring weakness that we have no wingers of note and he has to play there. Kolodjashnij has been very underwhelming. Hunt is lost there. and not sure we have recruited any new ones from the 2018 draft either.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Move Hibbard up to a wing and try Jonesy as a lock down back pocket? Might solve two of our current problems this way. Otherwise I'd be happy to see Jones off to pasture on current form.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Give him a role that he can focus on.  Free up his mind.  Have him lock down on a key opposition player.  Stop them. 

Harmes is quicker and more dynamic, so is better suited to the outside running role, while still winning contested footy.

Try it.

While we play a rotational zone Jones can’t lock down a single player.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The problems we have are a team issue, not an individual player issue. The evidence for that is 2018. So, I'd suggest not worrying so much about the performance of specific individuals and instead try to find why the team is not playing like the team of 2018.  

I’d argue it is a player issue. 17 players go in to post season surgery.

No matter how good a team is every time a player goes out a worse one comes in.

Lever and May are two of the highest paid players at the club. We are leaking goals, coincidence?

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On the plus side:

  • Much loved champion of our club.
  • Loyal, a demon forever.
  • Sets off-field standards
  • Works hard
  • Plays tough football

On the negative side:

  • Can't or won't run both ways. 
  • Does not chase opponent, instead goes ball chasing or 'hands-over' his opp to a team mate who has to leave his man to cover Jones' opp, leaving a free player or sometimes two if he doesn't cover Jones' opp in time. 
  • Defensive skills are now limited: stats this year for tackles and 1% are woeful. 
  • When attacking into fwd 50 he rarely hits a target.
  • Poor reader of the state of game so is limited in effectiveness as an on field general.

I see someone who is aging, who is showing more 'individual' rather than 'team-first' behaviours.   He may be preserving himself (purely speculation) or he may just be physically worn out from almost single handed carrying our club.  

Do the negatives outweigh the positives?  In the past a resounding 'No'.  For the future I fear they do. 

We need senior players and especially captains to set an example for expected on-field behaviours and to engender confidence in their charges that if we get into a hole during a game the captains know how to digs us out of it. 

I can't see Jones overcoming the negatives so I feel it is time to hang up the boots.  When?  End of this year.  It means he ends his wonderful career about 15 games short of 300 and without a flag. Sadly, just like a former #2.  

He will always be an immortal at mfc. 

I imagine Jones will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into retirement but I trust Goodwin to have the hard conversations, like Clarkson has.

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
  • Like 7
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

@Lucifer's Hero spot on. He still has one very important role to play...something he in a fashion will need to step up to..Be THAT on field General. Rally the troops and taps on the bum  ( sts ).. keep the lads interested and focused out there.

He's a few yards behind the game now but he can surely invoke players to strive, even when things seem dead against you.

He has proved quite resilient. He can pass this on. Please

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

@Lucifer's Hero spot on. He still has one very important role to play...something he in a fashion will need to step up to..Be THAT on field General. Rally the troops and taps on the bum  ( sts ).. keep the lads interested and focused out there.

For the last three weeks we have been crying out for that but it hasn't happened.  Would desperately love to see it but its not how he rolls.

Just yesterday Viney said it will be good to get Lewis' leadership back on the field.  Not sure he noticed the elephant(s) in the room implied in that statement...

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

For the last three weeks we have been crying out for that but it hasn't happened.  Would desperately love to see it but its not how he rolls.

Just yesterday Viney said it will good to get Lewis' leadership back on the field.  Not sure he noticed the elephant(s) in the room...

noted, hence my suggesting "a stepping up " Like yourself perhaps...I'm not seeing it...just love the notion that he might be able to.  It'd be a focus for him.

At least it would enable Jones to bow out meaningfully. As present he's a liability.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Forward pocket for me until he gets his fitness up to scratch or back pocket. Jonesy has dropped off since those soft tissue injuries which have affected his confidence in his ability to run hard. I am surprised how quickly Jonesy has dropped off, maybe Bernie still had a year left in him. The trouble is that Jonesy and Jack lead by example they really don’t get around the players.What a dilemma. They need Gus, Clarry & Tracc to 🔥 up and get around the team.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Question is whether it’s more important to go full tilt to turn the season around or keep Jones playing. He is currently a passenger and liability at this watershed moment and the club seems keen to keep manufacturing a position for him every week. He cant be hidden anymore. I just wish he dropped himself, give himself a dignified exit and save all the awkwardness. 

Edited by america de cali
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Give him a role that he can focus on.  Free up his mind.  Have him lock down on a key opposition player.  Stop them. 

Harmes is quicker and more dynamic, so is better suited to the outside running role, while still winning contested footy.

Try it.

100%. Throw him to Parker this week & the oppositions best mid for the next month. We are lacking a defensive mind set in the middle, he’s done run with roles in the past (back in 2014 when Roos started) if he can’t or doesn’t want to follow then the writing is on the wall. 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't want to see another McDonald incident with Jones. He is a club champion but unfortunatly the game seems to have gone past him. Put him in the forward pocket ( still has goal sense ). He is too slow for the backline. Hopefully retires at seasons end.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Give him a role that he can focus on.  Free up his mind.  Have him lock down on a key opposition player.  Stop them. 

Harmes is quicker and more dynamic, so is better suited to the outside running role, while still winning contested footy.

Try it.

Good call.    Might be just what he needs.  In fact it seems like a logical move.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The only place he can hide is half-back like Jordie Lewis over the past 2 years.

 

Footy world (Lloyd on FC) has worked out the bleeding obvious.  MFC get out-run in terms of speed and spread.  Jones can't play wing on big grounds anymore.  Go to half back and stiffen us up, and Jordie retires after the Hawk game.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

30 minutes ago, america de cali said:

Question is whether it’s more important to go full tilt  to turn the season around or keep Jones playing. He is currently a passenger and liability and the club seems keen to keep manufacturing a position for him every week. He cant be hidden anymore. I just wish he dropped himself, give himself a dignified exit save all the awkwardness. 

Agreed. We can’t hide him anymore. 

A great servant to the Club, yes. But now also a liability, IF we wish to still chase a Finals Berth

Link to comment
Share on other sites

His positioning and decision making when played as a winger is horrendous. Too often he moves towards the contest leaving his opponent in space. In consecutive weeks that has led to that opponent receiving the ball and setting up a goal. He repeatedly slaughters inside 50s. Also obvious he doesnt have pace to run a way or catch opposing wingers. We simply can't play him on the wing.

Can he play anywhere else? I doubt it. Not all inside mids can find a role outside the centre square in the final years of their playing career. This  is a real test for Goody. Jones may not have talent comparable to greats of this club but his resilience and consistency through the decade of debacle see him sit easily in their company. But Goody must pick the best 22 for the Round 4. 

  • Like 2
  • Love 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, TGR said:

The only place he can hide is half-back like Jordie Lewis over the past 2 years.

 

Footy world (Lloyd on FC) has worked out the bleeding obvious.  MFC get out-run in terms of speed and spread.  Jones can't play wing on big grounds anymore.  Go to half back and stiffen us up, and Jordie retires after the Hawk game.

 

 

You can't hide Jones or Lewis at half back. Both are slow and not natural aerialists. Look at the teams in the 8 and their ballistic running off half back. Can you see Jones or Lewis running the lines? Can you see either matching up on a marking 3rd forward?  If the answer is no there is no role for them down back.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    DELTA DEMONS by KC from Casey

    There was an ill wind blowing for the home side at Casey Fields on  Saturday but you wouldn’t have noticed if you turned up seven or eight minutes into the second quarter with the scoreboard showing the Casey Demons holding a lead of 7.5.47 to Footscray’s solitary point. Up to that stage, the depleted Dees combination had taken full advantage of the windy conditions and headed by veterans Nathan Jones, Jimmy Munro and Mitch White had came out of the blocks and plundered the Bulldogs’ defence.  

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    ON THE FLY by George On The Outer

    After spending most of the previous day in the air, flying between Queensland and Victoria, it was hard to imagine the Demons would be at their best.   But this team was on the fly on the field as well and produced a clinical display which saw them record a 98 point win to put aside any questions about the side being out of form.   Certainly, the Suns who have fallen away badly in the second half of the season were their opponents, but with the Demons looking for a confidence boo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    CITIUS, ALTIUS, FORTIUS by The Oracle

    This weekend, the Melbourne Football Club was supposed to embark on a tour that started with what looked like an innocent trip to the country’s sunny Gold Coast. However, the Covid19 pandemic intervened to bring them back home for this week at least. Next week, it’s off to the West Coast but conspiracy theorists are already suggesting that this interstate sojourn could take the team all the way across the country over the next month and indeed, there are cynics who even believe that it could bec

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE YEAR THE SNOWFLAKES FELL by Whispering Jack

    The snow that fell on the slopes of Victoria’s mountain districts in the winter of 1965 was not considered good enough to satisfy the enthusiasts. The really heavy snow that season came in two waves further north in July and August. The first descended on the national capital where “Pig Iron Bob” still held sway. Snow flurries touched the landscape all the way across the Blue Mountains. The next big snow extended further north up to the hills around Mackay in Queensland. Snowflakes fell inside t

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 10

    DEES GIVE DOGS A BONE by George On The Outer

    First place versus second on the ladder promised to be a precursor to what can be expected in the coming finals race.  However, it was the Demons who faltered and gave the Bulldogs a bone to feed their hunger just weeks out from the end of the season. The win also sent the Dogs to the top of the ladder, a position they are unlikely to cede in the coming weeks, given their fixture. While Melbourne may now struggle to keep a spot in the top four with its draw and will likely depend on the res

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE WORM WILL TURN by The Oracle

    When I was asked to preview this game, I wasn’t sure whether it was going to be played in Darwin, on the Gold Coast or the MCG. I had no idea as to the identity of Melbourne’s opponent. This would have made for one hell of an interesting match preview so I’m glad that the AFL managed to reorganize its fixture to enable a game … any game at all … to proceed in Round 19. We’ll worry about the Gold Coast Suns or whoever they put us up against when the weekend’s done and dusted and if and when

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    DRAWN AND DEEFLATED by George on the Outer

    1st v 17th ... it would seem a sure one way contest between the Hawks and the Demons but it was not to be with the game finishing in a draw, the only positive being the Demons still retain their top spot on the ladder. Melbourne was taught a football lesson by Al Clarkson, who with limited resources, just instructed his players to scrap, fight and surge the ball forward.  It stifled the Melbourne free flowing style of play and denied them the opportunities they could normally expect. I

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    PINK RAIN by Whispering Jack

    There is no certainty about life under a pandemic. You wake up one morning without a care in the world; the sun’s shining and it’s a beautiful day. An hour later, everything’s up in the air, the entire state is on high alert and the apartment complex next door’s in lockdown. The simple decision you had to make about buying a ticket to the footy at the weekend suddenly might get put on the back burner. There are other things in life to prioritise and on top of that, they’re predicting rain for th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    COR BLIMEY by KC from Casey

    In years to come, the old timers will talk in wonderment about the “Avalon Avalanche” that hit Werribee’s Avalon Airport Oval on a mild winter’s afternoon at about ten minutes after the halfway mark of the game between the local Tigers and their cross town rivals, the Demons from Casey. At that moment in time, the game was poised as if on a knifepoint. Up until the main interval, it had been the visiting team which had maintained the lead from the start but it had struggled to entirely asse

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    POWER FAILURE by George on the Outer

    South Australians should be well familiar with the damage that storms can do to the power supply.  But Port Power forgot those lessons on Thursday night football as they watched the Melbourne storm descend upon them from across the border and ruin their hopes of a top four placing. Just as equally, the win to the Demons cemented their spot in the top two and sent out the message that a team who had been going around in circles for the past couple of weeks, has in fact, turned into a cyclone

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    CASEY SUFFER FIRST DEFEAT IN TWO YEARS

    The circumstances were a little unusual last Saturday night as KC from Casey was unavailable to report on the Casey Dees due to work commitments. On the ground things were somewhat unusual as well given that, although there was a game to be won on the night, preparations were also being made for the forthcoming Thursday night clash against Port Adelaide with Ben Brown rested for large slabs of the evening. It turned out perhaps, to be a stroke of genius for Melbourne with Brown making a strong c

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    WEATHERING THE STORM by Mel Rundle

    The magic of Melbourne’s magnificent start to 2021 is beginning to wear off. In its past six matches it lost to three teams that were outside the eight, out of form —  teams which it had very little trouble bearing last year. This week, the temperature is turned up even higher with the hard fought spot in the top four at risk. The really ominous factor about the Demons’ upcoming Thursday night meeting with Port Adelaide this week is that it is due to take place at the very place where its dec

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews


×
×
  • Create New...