Sack everyone (mega-thread)

[DV8 2,271]

13 hours ago, olisik said:

Taylor picks (After first round).

I have not included 2018 as too early to tell. At best we can say he has picked 7 good out of 24, but that being said those 7 , it includes Joel Smith, Tim Smith and Fritsch which in reality the judges probably still out on.

We could probably say comfortably that 4 out of 24 have been strong picks.

When we have only brought in 4 decent players via the draft over 5 years (outside of first rounders) it makes you wonder how we can field a quality side.

2013 

JKH - Miss Pick

Hunt - Good Pick

Clisby - Miss Pick

Harmes - Good Pick

King - Miss Pick

Georgiou - Miss Pick

 

2014

ANB - Miss Pick

Stretch - Good Pick

VDB - Miss Pick

White - Miss Pick

 

2015

King - Miss Pick

Hulett - Miss Pick

Wagner - Miss Pick

Michie - Miss Pick

Joel Smith - Good Pick

 

2016

Hannan - Good Pick

Johnstone - Miss Pick

Filipovic - Miss Pick

Tim Smith - Good Pick

Keity - To Be Decided

 

2017

Spargo - Miss Pick

Fritsch - Good Pick

Petty - Miss Pick

Baker - Miss Pick

 

How can you say... 2016_ Keilty  "to be decided"

... and then go on to say that 3/4 of the following year are misses.?

[Brownie 5,118]

12 minutes ago, olisik said:

Jade Rawlings to Casey happened.

Yeah. Never understood that. He seems such a good operator.

Our backline has fallen apart.

I agree with the above. We have the talent. Systems and attitude seems to have gone off the rails.

[olisik 4,060]

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

How can you say... 2016_ Keilty  "to be decided"

... and then go on to say that 3/4 of the following year are misses.?

Was trying to be generous but in hindsight a mature age player who is on our list for his 3rd year yet to play a senior game isn’t a good sign. Isn’t the point of drafting mature age players for them to come in and have an immediate impact?

[Dr. Gonzo 22,390]

20 hours ago, Skuit said:

This is the best thread ever!

But I'm afraid that with Taylor already going down it'll only be a week or so before we run out of fresh supplies - and I'm not sure how long our former employee back-up stocks can tide us over. Can we bring in some work experience kids to blame as a stop-gap solution, or is that like some labour rights breach?

Next on the chopping block are the customer service reps in the membership department and the retail staff at the Demon Shop.

[Binmans PA 25,885]

On 4/23/2019 at 2:19 PM, hemingway said:

He may or may not be deluded, but if he is, he joins a significant number on this site who are similarly deluded. I was certainly deluded over summer over our prospects this year, given injuries, operations and all the other things mentioned to-date.

I am not his defender but Saty is not a propagandist. If so, who is he spreading propaganda on behalf of?  

His communication style may rankle but he is a committed supporter, a loyalist and believer, not a bad thing when there is so much negativity.  

Agree with this mate, but there is a line. He doesn't have to be negative by simply admitting facts or reality. 1-5 is not a good place to be in and there's reasons for that. Supporters are trying to examine the reasons for the marked drop in results. You can't just stick your head in the sand and call yourself a loyalist. Well, you can, but it also devalues your opinion, or it should.

And being loyal is fine, but to whom? The club or to some players or staff who Saty may think are his mates? I'd much prefer loyalty to the club and that sometimes means calling it how it is. It's always rose-coloured glasses with Saty.

Edited April 25, 2019 by A F

[Skuit 9,109]

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Next on the chopping block are the customer service reps in the membership department and the retail staff at the Demon Shop.

If you head to the Dusty Martin assault thread our accountant has already gone down.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Sorry to get this thread going again, but I thought it was the most appropriate place to put it.

I got the opportunity yesterday to speak with the friend of mine within the McCartney family.  It's the only contact I have in terms of knowing anything from within the club, so I tread carefully in asking a few questions.

The main thing I got out of it was that the McCartney/Goodwin 'feud' is rubbish.  They are pretty disappointed and annoyed at Tom Morris, who is either making the stuff up or has horrible contacts.  The day that story broke Goody and Macca had already spoken numerous times during the day, and that has occurred for the entire pre-season and the first six rounds of this season.  Both of them are on the same page, as are the coaches.  There is absolutely nothing to those rumours.

The second thing I asked was around our start to the year.  I didn't get anything hugely specific, but it's been a heap of mitigating factors that we have discussed on here - the off season surgeries, a few players not coming back fit enough (I got no names, nor did I press for them, but I was also given the impression that these players did not come back 'unfit', they just could have done more over their break) and teams adjusting to our game style and us not making changes quick enough.

So plenty for the club to work on, no doubt about it, and we're learning it the hard way.  But one thing is for certain - Tom Morris is an A grade [censored].

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 3,925]

[censored]. I don’t know what’s worse: lazy players that don’t want to put in the work or bitter in-fighting, drugs and feuds.

Edited April 28, 2019 by david_neitz_is_my_dad

[dazzledavey36 48,619]

16 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Sorry to get this thread going again, but I thought it was the most appropriate place to put it.

I got the opportunity yesterday to speak with the friend of mine within the McCartney family.  It's the only contact I have in terms of knowing anything from within the club, so I tread carefully in asking a few questions.

The main thing I got out of it was that the McCartney/Goodwin 'feud' is rubbish.  They are pretty disappointed and annoyed at Tom Morris, who is either making the stuff up or has horrible contacts.  The day that story broke Goody and Macca had already spoken numerous times during the day, and that has occurred for the entire pre-season and the first six rounds of this season.  Both of them are on the same page, as are the coaches.  There is absolutely nothing to those rumours.

The second thing I asked was around our start to the year.  I didn't get anything hugely specific, but it's been a heap of mitigating factors that we have discussed on here - the off season surgeries, a few players not coming back fit enough (I got no names, nor did I press for them, but I was also given the impression that these players did not come back 'unfit', they just could have done more over their break) and teams adjusting to our game style and us not making changes quick enough.

So plenty for the club to work on, no doubt about it, and we're learning it the hard way.  But one thing is for certain - Tom Morris is an A grade [censored].

Been saying that Tom Morris is an absolute grub of the highest order.

Thanks for the intel Wise.

[GM11 679]

On 4/23/2019 at 12:17 PM, Sorry kids said:

On what basis do you say Pert is smart, by that I mean Head honcho smart? I do not think anyone who pursues a training base over a railway track in public land without local and state govt backing is smart.

So Peter Jackson isn't  that smart  then?

[Sorry kids 635]

1 minute ago, GM11 said:

So Peter Jackson isn't  that smart  then?

I said pursues, meaning once it is established that the neither the local community, local government or state government support the proposal.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,095]

If we get done by Gold Coast in 2 weeks, who will likely have come off back to back to back 50+ point losses and were touted to win about 2 games this year, then surely someone’s going to cop a bullet - Ala Neeld for the Dons last year.

[hemingway 7,583]

23 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

teams adjusting to our game style and us not making changes quick enough.

This is the major failing of the club and specifically the coaching department.

It reflects poorly on the professionalism of the club particularly the coaches.

Rather than spending time on study tours, our coaches missed the opportunity to look closer to home and do some critical problem solving in a methodical and analytical manner.

It's quite incredible when you think how complacent the club was in its view of our list, our game plan and our opposition.

Like its supporters, the club approached this year with unrealistic expectations following two successful finals matches. We celebrated those two wins rather than address the problems that were so evident against West Coast. 

Consider the reinvention of Geelong after an unsuccessful finals campaign. Everyone outside the club wrote them off for 2019 and beyond, however, the Cats culture and professionalism has seen them emerge better and stronger than ever. 

What happens from now to the end of the season will be very important to the future of the MFC. I don't believe that we can rely on players return from injury as an antidote to our problems. It is not bad luck we are in this position. We don't have minor problems or issues to fix.

The club has a hell of a lot of work to do to become successful. The improvement of 2018 has been smashed and destroyed.  It feels like we have taken two or three steps back rather than one. Our window of opportunity for finals success has suddenly become very  narrow. 

In the space of 6 weeks, we have regressed to the losing culture of the past. The players look beaten. Even in the first quarter of the game against the Tigers, we looked like a poor side playing well compared to the Tigers, who looked like a good side that could not find its rhythm. 

We can only hope that the club has the character, culture and professionalism to learn from its mistakes and can address the systemic problems evident this season.

     

 

[Bitter but optimistic 21,150]

Consider the reinvention of Geelong after an unsuccessful finals campaign. Everyone outside the club wrote them off for 2019 and beyond, however, the Cats culture and professionalism has seen them emerge better and stronger than ever. 

Yes Ernie, this nails it.

That comparison is simultaneously damming and painful. We celebrated mediocrity over the summer while the Cats did something about it.

[What 18,810]

7 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Consider the reinvention of Geelong after an unsuccessful finals campaign. Everyone outside the club wrote them off for 2019 and beyond, however, the Cats culture and professionalism has seen them emerge better and stronger than ever. 

Yes Ernie, this nails it.

That comparison is simultaneously damming and painful. We celebrated mediocrity over the summer while the Cats did something about it.

Theyve done a great job reinventing Gary Rohan

Never rated him at the Swans now hes looking like a star playing out of the goalsquare and kicking heaps of goals. 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Petraccattack

[Bitter but optimistic 21,150]

2 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Theyve done a great job reinventing Gary Rohan

Never rated him at the Swans now hes looking like a star playing out of the goalsquare and kicking heaps of goals. 

They've done a lot more than that.

When I was sloshing beers with Moonie on that memorable finals night I thought I was seeing the end of an era for Geelong and the beginning of one for Melbourne.

FMD I clearly know [censored] all !!

[DV8 2,271]

56 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Theyve done a great job reinventing Gary Rohan

Never rated him at the Swans now hes looking like a star playing out of the goalsquare and kicking heaps of goals. 

He was one of my favs in his draft year.  was that the $cully year?  

Rohan went at P6.  His speed was a real weapon.

Edited April 29, 2019 by DV8

[Moonshadow 16,099]

44 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

FMD I clearly know [censored] all !!

Never a truer phrase written 

[beelzebub 22,225]

53 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

 

FMD I clearly know [censored] all !!

You currently qualify for a job in our FD... probably running it.

[Wells 11 4,648]

I used to know f all... but now I realise I know f nothing. 

[Bitter but optimistic 21,150]

32 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Never a truer phrase written 

[censored]

[PJ_12345 1,098]

7 hours ago, hemingway said:

This is the major failing of the club and specifically the coaching department.

It reflects poorly on the professionalism of the club particularly the coaches.

Rather than spending time on study tours, our coaches missed the opportunity to look closer to home and do some critical problem solving in a methodical and analytical manner.

It's quite incredible when you think how complacent the club was in its view of our list, our game plan and our opposition.

Like its supporters, the club approached this year with unrealistic expectations following two successful finals matches. We celebrated those two wins rather than address the problems that were so evident against West Coast. 

Consider the reinvention of Geelong after an unsuccessful finals campaign. Everyone outside the club wrote them off for 2019 and beyond, however, the Cats culture and professionalism has seen them emerge better and stronger than ever. 

What happens from now to the end of the season will be very important to the future of the MFC. I don't believe that we can rely on players return from injury as an antidote to our problems. It is not bad luck we are in this position. We don't have minor problems or issues to fix.

The club has a hell of a lot of work to do to become successful. The improvement of 2018 has been smashed and destroyed.  It feels like we have taken two or three steps back rather than one. Our window of opportunity for finals success has suddenly become very  narrow. 

In the space of 6 weeks, we have regressed to the losing culture of the past. The players look beaten. Even in the first quarter of the game against the Tigers, we looked like a poor side playing well compared to the Tigers, who looked like a good side that could not find its rhythm. 

We can only hope that the club has the character, culture and professionalism to learn from its mistakes and can address the systemic problems evident this season.

     

 

Great summary.

What concerns me are the potential implications of this year. The introduction of free agency and two expansion clubs during our rebuild meant securing young talent got immensely harder, and the talent we took the risk on, spent the time training, and finally those few that succeeded, was farmed and rewarded to the more successful clubs - whilst we got their leftovers.

I finally thought we were out of this period at the start of last year with Lever nominating us, and our finals finish.

Being bottom of the ladder is going to make a lot of players question their future at the club, and with blood in the water the other clubs are going to start to circle.

I really dont think the club has it in it to establish a winning and professional culture without a significant change to current practices. The fact Goodwin hasnt even watched the preliminary replay is damming to their ability to learn from their mistakes and change.

[hemingway 7,583]

3 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

They've done a lot more than that.

When I was sloshing beers with Moonie on that memorable finals night I thought I was seeing the end of an era for Geelong and the beginning of one for Melbourne.

FMD I clearly know [censored] all !!

Most people including Cats supporters thought as you. They looked old, slow and reactive, with a poor prognosis for 2019 and beyond.

Their reinvention says a lot for their culture, professionalism and willingness to change. Hats off to Scott, who many have maligned.

Sadly their reinvention and success this year following on finals failure last season is the complete opposite of our Club.

Of course, we all draw our own conclusions why this has happened but the difference between the two clubs and what has happened over the summer period is stark. 

[picket fence 15,040]

On 4/25/2019 at 8:13 AM, The Tractor said:

Could do with Hogan now

Hnmm I wonder what JC is doing now ? Just up and about again... likes it in the wet, seems to float on water !Might be a handy inclusion !? Apparently has a bit of ego, Thinks he can do anything! Gets blokes Onside though! very very popular.!! A crowd favourite!

Lets see if he is interested!?

Edited April 29, 2019 by picket fence

[What 18,810]

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Hnmm I wonder what JC is doing now ? Just up and about again... Might be handy!?

And with his carpentry skills he could build our new headquarters at Yarra Park.