Jump to content
  • Demonland Interviews

Demonland

POSTGAME: Rd 1 vs Port Adelaide

Recommended Posts

34 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Tom Browne on Talking Footy reported earlier that Gawn was in hospital last week for a day procedure under general anaesthetic.

Not sure if ti's true, and if it is not sure if that impacted upon his preparation or his fitness.

Has anyone else heard anything about that?

Edit: given there's an entire thread on it, I suppose so. My bad.

Yeah it’s true and I’d say it would’ve impacted his fitness.

I got told last night at a family dinner and was surprised that he actually played after receiving that information.

Its nothing serious and it won’t affect him this weekend.

I haven’t been under a general since I was a kid but I’d say it takes a few days to be back to normal, which I probably say why he wasn’t at his best.

Edited by Megatron
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

No need for the quotes - and this is one of the reasons people suffer in silence, often until it's too late.

Disgusting.

You obviously haven't read any of my previous posts about mental illness in football. I have stated previously I grew up with someone who suffered severe mental illness which impacted not only on themselves but on everyone in their family, including me. In those times there was no help, even if it was sought for. In my previous posts I made the point I feared too many footballers citing mental health problems when they made poor choices in their social life would cause the public to become cynical and feel less sympathy towards the everyday people who suffer mental illness. So what do you find disgusting? How dare you.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/24/2019 at 4:22 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

The rule change which was most difficult to train for is not having Runners during play.  In the first 3 quarters there were large gaps between goals which limited Goodwin's opportunity to impact the play.  And in the last qtr there were only 3 goals which again limited the coaches ability to make positional changes, get messages out etc.

With Lewis out, Viney on for only 2 1/2 quarters, Max focused on staying on his feet and Jones with his perpetually limited on - field nouse, we had no-one looking at the 'big picture'; marshaling the troops to support each other etc.  The result was 22 players playing largely as individuals; the antithesis of teamwork and the 'esprit de corps' we pride ourselves on.

We can change team selections but I don't know where our on field leadership is going to come from.

The no runner rule may be the one that hurts us the most and probably the hardest to counteract.

On this point, I watched several of the other games from Round 1 as well attending our match and watching the first 3 quarters of our replay. 

The broadcast of most games showed the benches several times with the runners holding up various signs with some fairly obvious meanings (such as Port with their “10” speed sign indicating 10 minutes left in the quarter).

Either our signs were not shown on the broadcast (and I was behind the interchange at the actual game so I couldn’t see there) or we didn’t have anything other than the runner and a sign to indicate player numbers for rotations. 

Anyone know what we were doing signal wise for plays or tactics? (If anything?) 

If we’re not running with any kind of signal system from the interchange bench could that have contributed to our poor showing?

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, waynewussell said:

I'm two minutes from 3Qtr time in the replay. Petracca just missed a snap for goal to put us ahead... I turned it off at that point because I know what happened next, but we were still in a winning position very late into the third. The point is that our efforts in the final Qtr are what really stood between a win and a loss. That is where our focus needs to be in fixing things... yes, I know we were shown up by not bringing more physicality to the game from the outset... and we didn't adjust to the PA team tactics against Max, however, this is fixable!

If Jones had held his dropped mark in the fourth and converted the shot (he's a good set shot from that range) the margin would have been 3 points early in the fourth.

In the blink of an eye 3 became 15 and I'm sure confidence across the ground sagged.

I suppose that means we were kind of in it even into the fourth?

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If Jones had held his dropped mark in the fourth and converted the shot (he's a good set shot from that range) the margin would have been 3 points early in the fourth.

In the blink of an eye 3 became 15 and I'm sure confidence across the ground sagged.

I suppose that means we were kind of in it even into the fourth?

That is exactly right. Critical moment. I still think they would have gone on to won but you never no. To be honest though we were lucky to be as close as we were when jonsey fluffed that mark.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Megatron said:

I haven’t been under a general since I was a kid but I’d say it takes a few days to be back to normal, which I probably say why he wasn’t at his best.

I have played a few days after a general & was way off the pace of the game, just couldn't get going at all.

If this is right it would have had a big effect on Max's game.

Edited by rjay
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If Jones had held his dropped mark in the fourth and converted the shot (he's a good set shot from that range) the margin would have been 3 points early in the fourth.

In the blink of an eye 3 became 15 and I'm sure confidence across the ground sagged.

I suppose that means we were kind of in it even into the fourth?

The rubbish 50 to Gray late in the third and Jones brain fade, and we could have been in front. Amazing when aside from Salem no other player played four quarters and most of the team were abysmal! Yet we weren’t totally out of it.

Fingers crossed for a lot better display against the Cats. Hard to see us winning after round one, but we can only hope and support the team.

Go Dees!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well That Was Bad!

I am going hold fire on the criticism this early in. I will wait for a body of work so I reckon about Rd 5 or Rd 6 I will have a sense of what the hell they are trying to do this season.

So I, will see you all, round 5 or 6 hopefully with a better reaction then....Well That Was Bad! 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, rjay said:

I have played a few days after a general & was way off the pace of the game, just couldn't get going at all.

If this is right it would have had a big effect on Max's game.

So we compounded the problem of taking in players with low preparations by taking in one Ruckman who spent 3 days in hospital and was under the weather from GA . Sounds we blew the game at the selection table.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/24/2019 at 9:54 PM, A F said:

No, it's not the only measure. Corralling would be another (do Champion Data record this?). McDonald doesn't lay many tackles, I agree, but I think generally when we're playing well, our mids, half forward and small/tall forwards are laying tackles, as evidenced by being the best in the comp for inside 50 tackles.

I think if you had to pick out one metric to measure forward pressure then turnovers would be probably it (though - again no single metric is likely to give you a complete answer).  Genuine question - do you know how we fared with Forward 50 turnovers last year?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, old dee said:

So we compounded the problem of taking in players with low preparations by taking in one Ruckman who spent 3 days in hospital and was under the weather from GA . Sounds we blew the game at the selection table.

Lol. Ah Melbourne, just when you think we've turned a corner..  . it's smack bang into a brick wall. 
So it appears Gawn was in hospital for some treatment last week. Some 'skin" thing but who really knows...club full of [censored] 
So we go in with at least two UNFIT, two suspect with feet problems, only ONE ruck...(recovering ) and too many who can't hit the side of a barn from 30 !!
Such a clever team 🙄

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, grazman said:

I think if you had to pick out one metric to measure forward pressure then turnovers would be probably it (though - again no single metric is likely to give you a complete answer).  Genuine question - do you know how we fared with Forward 50 turnovers last year?

I know as of July last year we were ranked #15th In the competition for scores from chains beginning in the forward half. Perhaps, this is a telling stat, but I think it might be skewed by the bombing, frenetic inside 50 play that saw us accumulate constant forward thrusts, off the back of our clearance dominance.

https://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-25/stats-incredible-your-clubs-quirky-numbers

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, A F said:

I know as of July last year we were ranked #15th In the competition for scores from chains beginning in the forward half. Perhaps, this is a telling stat, but I think it might be skewed by the bombing, frenetic inside 50 play that saw us accumulate constant forward thrusts, off the back of our clearance dominance.

https://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-25/stats-incredible-your-clubs-quirky-numbers

 

Thanks A F, I think that is what Hinkley was probably referring to then.  Clearly this wasn't helped on the weekend with so many players underdone and out of gas towards the end of the game.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So there's been a few chuckles and back and forth on Petracca's apparent weight issues.

It seems unfathomable that in this day and age of football professionalism CP5 would be that undisciplined or that the footy department might have allowed such a lapse or otherwise mismanaged his program.

Sometime after puberty, the body evidently goes through another stage of transition toward greater 'manhood'. I'm still waiting personally, but could it be that Christian is going through this prematurely and at a rapid pace? 

I now concede that he appears unusually bigger, but not athletically out of shape or unfit per se. It may be tricky to manage such a state and find an optimal balance until the hormones settle into a specific shape.

Or is it really just too much pizza and Maltesers?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/25/2019 at 9:09 AM, spirit of norm smith said:

Goodwin is joking surely.  1. We wished we would’ve have more time to prepare”. That means missing September.  

2. Good teams back up. They “Are” ready to play. 5 months of preseason.  Suspension and injuries (aside from Viney) were in preparation. No excuses. 

We lost the contested footy and couldn’t handle it.  And they missed Wines. 

Simply we expected to just turn up. Where was the support for Gawn. We need Preuss May VBerg in to match the physical teams. 

Port were worthy winners. They should have won by 40+.

1. He was, not to obliquely, referring to the rules that dictate the leave players must take which critically reduces the time fitness and football staff have to rehab and condition players.  For us it was approx 3 months of preseason (incl JLT) in a 6 month off season.   

I think Goodwin used the words '...the amount of time we were given...'.  Goodwin always chooses his words carefully;  imv there was a clear message there for the AFL/AFLPA.

2.  True - Hawks, Cats, Swans are battle hardened teams.  But its often said that players need 4 to 5 solid preseasons to become an AFL hardened player.  Of Saturday's team only Jones, Jetta, Gawn and maybe Melksham and Hibberd are in that category.  The rest have had several interrupted preseasons or just not had enough of them. 

 

The shorter preseason, clearly impacted all 4 Prelim teams.  Only Rich won but they were playing last years wooden spoon team.  They also are largely a 'battle hardened' team.

It also reduced our ability to practice tactics for the new rules.  Three of our senior players didn't play with the rest of the team in practice/JLT games so their ability to show leadership and implement those tactics was limited on Saturday.

Add surgeries and other injuries to the mix and our ability to get the team 'battle ready' was severely hampered.

Port had 4 months of preseason with most players healthy and most 'battle hardened'.  The difference was stark.

Our players will get conditioning in the next month.  I just hope that their injuries don't reoccur or have setbacks because they came in underdone. 

Not sure the selection committee had many options. 

Edited by Lucifer's Hero
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

2.  True - Hawks, Cats, Swans are battle hardened teams.  But its often said that players need 4 to 5 solid preseasons to become an AFL hardened player.  Of Saturday's team only Jones, Jetta, Gawn and maybe Melksham and Hibberd are in that category.  The rest have had several interrupted preseasons or just not had enough of them. 

 

The shorter preseason, clearly impacted all 4 Prelim teams.  Only Rich won but they were playing last years wooden spoon team.  They also are largely a 'battle hardened' team.

It also reduced our ability to practice tactics for the new rules.  Three of our senior players didn't play with the rest of the team in practice/JLT games so their ability to show leadership and implement those tactics was limited on Saturday.

Add surgeries and other injuries to the mix and our ability to get the team 'battle ready' was severely hampered.

Port had 4 months of preseason with most players healthy and most 'battle hardened'.  The difference was stark.

Our players will get conditioning in the next month.  I just hope that their injuries don't reoccur or have setbacks because they came in underdone. 

Not sure the selection committee had many options. 

This ties in with the points that have been previously made about our list demographic.

Port's key players (Boak, Ebert, Gray, Ryder, Watts, Westhoff) are all far more experienced, with more pre-seasons under their belts, than our key players (many of whom have barely played 50 games).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posters bagged Petracca all pre-season saying he looked heavy. To all those posters you were 110% spot on. He looked to be moving like the OX post ACL. It is obvious Petracca needs to slim down and regain some explosiveness, otherwise he is only just a VFL player.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ThreeOneSix said:

Posters bagged Petracca all pre-season saying he looked heavy. To all those posters you were 110% spot on. He looked to be moving like the OX post ACL. It is obvious Petracca needs to slim down and regain some explosiveness, otherwise he is only just a VFL player.

I want Alf Stewart to put up another post like this one. 

Pedersen: 3 years and 300 burgers

Not sure how many Tracc has eaten. Maybe 264?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ThreeOneSix said:

Posters bagged Petracca all pre-season saying he looked heavy. To all those posters you were 110% spot on. He looked to be moving like the OX post ACL. It is obvious Petracca needs to slim down and regain some explosiveness, otherwise he is only just a VFL player.

Looks like a body builder, i.e. muscle bound and slow. Also has no tank. One decent effort and he takes minutes to recover. Number 3 pick going nowhere at present.

  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just looked at the stats we had one of the most inexperienced sides of the round quite amazingly...average 76.1 games per player that's less experienced than Carlton's rd 1 side!

 

Lewis being replaced with a first gamer would have contributed largely to this of course.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This ties in with the points that have been previously made about our list demographic.

Port's key players (Boak, Ebert, Gray, Ryder, Watts, Westhoff) are all far more experienced, with more pre-seasons under their belts, than our key players (many of whom have barely played 50 games).

If that is the case we have achieved some serious over achieving last season. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, sisso said:

Just looked at the stats we had one of the most inexperienced sides of the round quite amazingly...average 76.1 games per player that's less experienced than Carlton's rd 1 side!

Thats incredible. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, sisso said:

Just looked at the stats we had one of the most inexperienced sides of the round quite amazingly...average 76.1 games per player that's less experienced than Carlton's rd 1 side!

 

Lewis being replaced with a first gamer would have contributed largely to this of course.

Puts things in a bit more perspective. While many think we are premiership contenders, its easy to forget we are still a fairly young and inexperienced side who is still growing on field. Proves we are still going to have teething problems this year.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, old dee said:

So we compounded the problem of taking in players with low preparations by taking in one Ruckman who spent 3 days in hospital and was under the weather from GA . Sounds we blew the game at the selection table.

This 100%.

They made this blue a few times last year. They need to review their selection policies.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This ties in with the points that have been previously made about our list demographic.

Port's key players (Boak, Ebert, Gray, Ryder, Watts, Westhoff) are all far more experienced, with more pre-seasons under their belts, than our key players (many of whom have barely played 50 games).

Its not necessarily that. It's that our experienced players were terrible. Their young players were the cream unlike us where we were relying on young players to do the job. 

Jones, Viney, Gawn, Hibberd, Jetta et al were well down on form. Frost & OMac were disgraceful

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    SOCIAL DISTANCING by George on the Outer

    It was good to see the MFC players practicing the directives about social distancing at the game against West Coast.  Pity was that they continued to do so after the first bounce of the ball, as they allowed numerous WCE players run around un-hindered, with not a Melbourne player within 1.5 metres of them! They then found themselves looking at nearly a 5 goal deficit at the first break, which was to be essentially the final margin for the game. It is difficult to judge exactly what is going

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    BEST IN SHOW by Whispering Jack

    I am writing this knowing that the AFL has deemed that the opening round of competition will proceed but fully believing that it should not.  The world is going through cataclysmic change as a result of the overwhelming spread of the Covid-19 virus and I agree that a distraction like sport would be good for the public. However, while the physical threat to the population is bad enough, there are other  issues to be addressed including the mental health of the community and the effects on th

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    TASSIE DEVILS by Van Demon

    If you were looking for something new from the Demons that wasn’t there last year, you didn’t have to look further than the perfectly trimmed grass surface of UTAS Stadium last night as the team steamrolled the Hawks to record a comprehensive 32-point victory to complete their Marsh Community Series commitments for 2020. One new thing was the fact that for the second Marsh game in a row, the team finished full of running and they dominated the second half without the presence or the dominan

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SOUTH OF THE BORDER by Paddy Gosch

    The Demons will go into their final Marsh Series match with a strong lineup against the Hawks in Tasmania. Both Max Gawn and Steven May, who were recovering from injuries in first Marsh Series match, have both been named. It is unclear whether Max will be on restricted minutes and will likely get breaks in the ruck with Sam Weideman and rookie Luke Jackson getting their turns in the middle. Angus Brayshaw will be getting his first taste of competitive football despite playing in last week’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    KANGAROO CAUGHT by Whispering Jack

    There was a fair amount of debate in our area as to whether the game warranted a full blown match report because it was felt that it was really an elevated version of a training session with match simulation but against a team in opposition colours. Although notionally the stronger side, North seemed to be using the occasion for the purpose of working on aspects of their game plan, one of the features of which seemed to be based on taking the longest possible route out of defence and good luck w

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    JUST AN ABERRATION by Whispering Jack

    Melbourne unveiled its top recruits with new fitness boss Darren Burgess and mid-sized bull Christian Petracca sharing top billing in the team’s Marsh Community Series opener in front of 3,095 football starved fans at Casey Fields and thousands of others watching on screens of various shapes and sizes.  What they saw was a different Melbourne to the one that failed to run out its JLT Series games last year and then crashed in a heap early in the season proper with performances lacking the z

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 4

    CROWDOWN by Paddy Gosch

    The Demons open their 2020 season account with a "home" game against the Adelaide Crows at Casey Fields. It’s been more than 5 and half agonising months for the team and supporters who are eager to atone for the disappointing 2019 season which saw the Dees go from Preliminary Finalist to 2nd bottom on the ladder. The preseason campaign has been a hard slog with the addition of respected High Performance Manager Darren Burgess. We caught a glimpse of the gut busting sessions in the Melbourne

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THE YEAR THE SKY FELL by The Oracle

    After a number of years of linear movement up the ladder, the Melbourne Football Club unexpectedly went into serious decline in 2019, slumping from fourth to 17th in a season that coach Simon Goodwin described “a complete wipe-out”. Those around the club who tried to analyse the apocalyptic events that unfolded during the year were hard pressed to find a single reason for the debacle but the most plausible explanation was that the club’s troubles stemmed from a lack of fitness and injuries that

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    BACK IN STYLE by Whispering Jack

    From the moment when the Elton John character in the movie “Rocketman” burst into its opening scene dressed as a flamboyant demon on his way to an addiction rehabilitation session, the game was on. Here was yet another film about a person gifted with a meteoric rise to stardom finding coke, booze and a hedonistic lifestyle that led directly to a destructive crash into the abyss. Ultimately, these stories end in total disaster (“A Star is Born”, “Bohemian Rhapsody”, “Judy”) but this one resulted

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2019

    PART ONE - OVERTURE  I have a disclaimer at the outset. I’m not a fan of the races - be they horses or motors of any kind. Once the final siren sounds on the football season, I find the month or so that follows and corresponds roughly with the Spring Racing Carnival to be the most boring time of the year for sports fans. You turn on the radio and you’re confronted by the monotonous drone of a self-proclaimed racing expert or by the nasally twang of an ex-jockey banging on about the equine p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 8

    CHANGES 2019 by The Oracle

    PART 1 - IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THIS TIME This year’s free agency, trade and draft period will see the usual drama and upheaval as the AFL’s 18 clubs seek to better their lists in order to challenge for finals and possibly premiership honours. Long before the final siren sounded on the season just over a week ago, the maneuvering was under way with player agents and clubs discussing possible player movements and in some cases, deals had already been done.  Yesterday, the r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 2

    HOW FAR SOUTH? by George on the Outer

    It was appropriate that Melbourne was playing its last game of season 2019 in Hobart.  After all, how much further south could the team go? And much as it has done in many of the previous 22 games, the side managed to extract a loss from a winning position by simply giving the ball back to the opposition time and time again. In fact, they gave it back to the opposition to the tune of 53 points from turnovers while, by way of contrast North Melbourne contributed  only 17 points to their oppo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

×
×
  • Create New...