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6 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I have mentioned it many times. 

Injuries to top line players.

Let’s just imagine if 2 MFC players go down playing this years AFLX Tournament for teams that are meaningless. 

Where’s the harm in that Macca?

I want September football. Senior AFL Players should not be playing AFLX. 

Well,  if an overseas market is created and decent money generated,  get ready for change Wyl.  It isn't going to happen in a hurry but you never know.  It is unchartered territory but there may well be a big market somewhere.

Let's face it,  the world has had a chance to embrace AFL and there is clearly no interest.  But a hybrid version played on a rectangular surface in huge stadiums that already exist is worth a punt.   Nothing ventured,  nothing gained.  Meanwhile,  the AFL goes from strength to strength here in Oz.

t20 cricket was invented in England but India took to the version of the sport immediately ... as a result,  a huge market was created and then followed the big big money.  Took 5 years.  Dhoni's annual salary went from a few million to $30Million virtually overnight.

I wouldn't rule anything out including certain Countries taking an instant liking to the hybrid version of footy. 

Thinking about it,  there are a stack of sports that have hybrid versions of themselves that exist side-by-side with the original versions.  Rugby 7's,  League 7's,  t20 cricket,  keirin cycling in Japan,  Arena Football (NFL) the 2 hour Diamond events in Athletics and numerous other varieties. 

Soccer hasn't really got another version but it is far and away the biggest sport in the World so where's the need?

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6 minutes ago, Macca said:

Well,  if an overseas market is created and decent money generated,  get ready for change Wyl.  It isn't going to happen in a hurry but you never know.  It is unchartered territory but there may well be a big market somewhere.

Let's face it,  the world has had a chance to embrace AFL and there is clearly no interest.  But a hybrid version played on a rectangular surface in huge stadiums that already exist is worth a punt.   Nothing ventured,  nothing gained.  Meanwhile,  the AFL goes from strength to strength here in Oz.

t20 cricket was invented in England but India took to the version of the sport immediately ... as a result,  a huge market was created and then followed the big big money.  Took 5 years.  Dhoni's annual salary went from a few million to $30Million virtually overnight.

I wouldn't rule anything out including certain Countries taking an instant liking to the hybrid version of footy. 

Thinking about it,  there are a stack of sports that have hybrid versions of themselves that exist side-by-side with the original versions.  Rugby 7's,  League 7's,  t20 cricket,  keirin cycling in Japan,  Arena Football (NFL) the 2 hour Diamond events in Athletics and numerous other varieties. 

Soccer hasn't really got another version but it is far and away the biggest sport in the World so where's the need?

It shouldn’t be all about players increasing there wages by grotesque amounts. It has to be about the quality of the game. 

BBL at a state level i can handle. But i hate it at international level. It is unnecessary, and yes i know it is my opinion. 

The sub continent has a lot to answer for in the state of cricket, but as Indians will bet on anything i suppose it was inevitable. I don’t have to like it though

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20 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It shouldn’t be all about players increasing there wages by grotesque amounts. It has to be about the quality of the game. 

BBL at a state level i can handle. But i hate it at international level. It is unnecessary, and yes i know it is my opinion. 

The sub continent has a lot to answer for in the state of cricket, but as Indians will bet on anything i suppose it was inevitable. I don’t have to like it though

Again,  it comes down to what people like and what they don't like Wyl ... and there isn't or can't be any legislation on what people prefer to watch.  Aussies love t20 as well but our 25 Million population doesn't match India's 1.3Billion.  Weight of numbers with the same levels of interest.  Certain circumstances can create opportunity and high interest.  That's life.

There are a whole host of entertainment forms that I don't care for that are hugely successful - UFC,  WWE,  t20 and many forms of TV entertainment.  But my vote amounts to zero and I've always known that.

And whether you like it or not we live in a money-driven sporting world and it's been that way for quite some time.   Adapt or die.  A lot of new ideas come from outside the square thinking and this hybrid version of footy certainly falls into that category.  The important bit is that the players are still playing the same version of footy in both forms (kicking,  marking,  handballing,  tackling etc etc)

And you've got to wonder why a 3 hour version of cricket wasn't brought forth in the 19 century instead of the 21st century ... came about 100 years late in terms of a much larger interest in the sport. 

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1 hour ago, Macca said:

Again,  it comes down to what people like and what they don't like Wyl ... and there isn't or can't be any legislation on what people prefer to watch.  Aussies love t20 as well but our 25 Million population doesn't match India's 1.3Billion.  Weight of numbers with the same levels of interest.  Certain circumstances can create opportunity and high interest.  That's life.

There are a whole host of entertainment forms that I don't care for that are hugely successful - UFC,  WWE,  t20 and many forms of TV entertainment.  But my vote amounts to zero and I've always known that.

And whether you like it or not we live in a money-driven sporting world and it's been that way for quite some time.   Adapt or die.  A lot of new ideas come from outside the square thinking and this hybrid version of footy certainly falls into that category.  The important bit is that the players are still playing the same version of footy in both forms (kicking,  marking,  handballing,  tackling etc etc)

And you've got to wonder why a 3 hour version of cricket wasn't brought forth in the 19 century instead of the 21st century ... came about 100 years late in terms of a much larger interest in the sport. 

Yes you have said all that before, not all change is good

and i will repeat AFLX should not use Senior Club listed players in its experiments. It will get ugly if someone is seriously hurt. That is my main concern. It’s why State of Origin was killed off, and we all loved those games

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24 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes you have said all that before, not all change is good

and i will repeat AFLX should not use Senior Club listed players in its experiments. It will get ugly if someone is seriously hurt. That is my main concern. It’s why State of Origin was killed off, and we all loved those games

AFLX is way different to State of Origin - chalk & cheese.  The public had lost interest in State of Origin once the competition became National.  The injury factor came to the fore once the interest started to wane.

If hundreds of millions of $$$'s are generated from overseas interest in AFLX then having players injured will just become part of the new version of the sport.  Now,  that interest may not ever eventuate but that is why the idea is being put forth in my opinion.  It will either work or it won't work - nothing ventured,  nothing gained.

And the one thing I will always give credit to the AFL is their marketing of the sport ... in terms of general interest,  crowds,  stadiums,  TV viewers,  Media rights and all the rest of it,  they are brilliant.  I believe as custodians of the way the sport is played that they leave a lot to be desired but as marketers of the sport,  they are king when considering the sport is indigenous to Australia.

So,  they'll market AFLX,  that is a given.  And they may well market the hybrid version very well - they are extremely cashed-up so they'll give it a good go.  Same as they'll keep throwing 10's of Millions at GWS & GCS until those 2 markets prosper.  It's grow or perish these days.

Let's just see how it all plays out ... 5 years hence we might all have different opinions.

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13 minutes ago, Macca said:

AFLX is way different to State of Origin - chalk & cheese.  The public had lost interest in State of Origin once the competition became National.  The injury factor came to the fore once the interest started to wane.

If hundreds of millions of $$$'s are generated from overseas interest in AFLX then having players injured will just become part of the new version of the sport.  Now,  that interest may not ever eventuate but that is why the idea is being put forth in my opinion.  It will either work or it won't work - nothing ventured,  nothing gained.

And the one thing I will always give credit to the AFL is their marketing of the sport ... in terms of general interest,  crowds,  stadiums,  TV viewers,  Media rights and all the rest of it,  they are brilliant.  I believe as custodians of the way the sport is played that they leave a lot to be desired but as marketers of the sport,  they are king when considering the sport is indigenous to Australia.

So,  they'll market AFLX,  that is a given.  And they may well market the hybrid version very well - they are extremely cashed-up so they'll give it a good go.  Same as they'll keep throwing 10's of Millions at GWS & GCS until those 2 markets prosper.  It's grow or perish these days.

Let's just see how it all plays out ... 5 years hence we might all have different opinions.

You will rate injuries if this “New Brilliant Marketing Option” takes out gun MFC Players and stops us winning flags. 

The game markets itself in my opinion, i still question the relevance of GW$ or Gold Coa$t. But that is another topic

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You will rate injuries if this “New Brilliant Marketing Option” takes out gun MFC Players and stops us winning flags. 

The game markets itself in my opinion, i still question the relevance of GW$ or Gold Coa$t. But that is another topic

I never called AFLX a 'New Brilliant Marketing Option'  ... and I neither personally support the new concept nor do I condemn it either.  If the AFL wants to expand their interests,  that is entirely up to them.   It might work,  it may not.  But if it does work,  the sky is the limit. 

You've convinced yourself that it will fail based on your intense dislike of the concept - which is the wrong way to view things.

Get with the times and get with the program Wyl - you are getting left behind.  Embrace the new and broaden your horizons. 

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17 minutes ago, Macca said:

I never called AFLX a 'New Brilliant Marketing Option'  ... and I neither personally support the new concept nor do I condemn it either.  If the AFL wants to expand their interests,  that is entirely up to them.   It might work,  it may not.  But if it does work,  the sky is the limit. 

You've convinced yourself that it will fail based on your intense dislike of the concept - which is the wrong way to view things.  But that's you in a nutshell.  Condemn anything that doesn't suit your world.

You proclaimed to the world that t20 would fail miserably in this country and how's that all working out for you?  Epic fail as I see it.

Get with the times and get with the program Wyl - you are getting left behind.  Embrace the new and broaden your horizons.  You don't want to be a bitter and twisted old boy do you?

 

T20 means nothing. It is forgotten the next day. I don’t consider that to be great  for the sport. Yes it makes a lot of money, and many use that as a measuring stick. I think Day/Night Test Matches are a great idea. With T20 Players are on obscene contracts for 6 weeks work and who would want to be a bowler?

Some people think it’s a great idea. I think it’s cheap and nasty

Just don’t play senior players in the AFLX...

The risk for little reward is too high

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11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

T20 means nothing. It is forgotten the next day. I don’t consider that to be great  for the sport. Yes it makes a lot of money, and many use that as a measuring stick. I think Day/Night Test Matches are a great idea. With T20 Players are on obscene contracts for 6 weeks work and who would want to be a bowler?

Some people think it’s a great idea. I think it’s cheap and nasty

Just don’t play senior players in the AFLX...

The risk for little reward is too high

Some people = Hundreds of Millions and counting.  That is a lot of 'Some People'. 

As for the money earned,  good luck to anyone who can earn vast sums I say.  Sport is also all about entertainment these days so if a decent audience is gained,  the money is sure to flow. 

In fact,  sport has changed to such a vast degree that I now choose to embrace 'New Sport' with all the add-ons because to not do so is pointless.  Who wants to live in the past? 

With AFLX,  we may look back and ask why someone didn't think of the concept decades earlier as many do with t20.  Or it may fail.  It's worth a go even if people like you and I don't care for it.  The potential audience could well exclude a number of certain demographics and still have a vast audience.  They aren't necessarily aiming at the over 45's but that demographic and the oldies could well jump on later as has what has happened with t20.

Footy is all about the winning & losing so AFLX probably needs to have that factor ... by contrast,  t20 flourishes as pure entertainment (4's & 6's being the mainstays)  I thought t20 might have needed rivalries,  tribalism et al but it doesn't seem like it needs those aspects as a primary driver of the sport.  It is immensely popular so acts as a good pointer to the future of sport.  Especially here in Australia.

Entertainment comes in many forms these days and because you work in that environment Wyl,  you should have no need to be convinced about what can work.  Where as many see t20 as a threat to Test cricket (I don't),  there should be no such concern with AFLX vs AFL. 

It's just a different version with a potential new audience.  And injuries can happen at training and often do.  AFLX was virtually tackle-free last year so the risk of injury is low anyway.  Simulated match practice has the same sort of injury risk. 

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33 minutes ago, Macca said:

Some people = Hundreds of Millions and counting.  That is a lot of 'Some People'. 

As for the money earned,  good luck to anyone who can earn vast sums I say.  Sport is also all about entertainment these days so if a decent audience is gained,  the money is sure to flow. 

In fact,  sport has changed to such a vast degree that I now choose to embrace 'New Sport' with all the add-ons because to not do so is pointless.  Who wants to live in the past? 

With AFLX,  we may look back and ask why someone didn't think of the concept decades earlier as many do with t20.  Or it may fail.  It's worth a go even if people like you and I don't care for it.  The potential audience could well exclude a number of certain demographics and still have a vast audience.  They aren't necessarily aiming at the over 45's but that demographic and the oldies could well jump on later as has what has happened with t20.

Footy is all about the winning & losing so AFLX probably needs to have that factor ... by contrast,  t20 flourishes as pure entertainment (4's & 6's being the mainstays)  I thought t20 might have needed rivalries,  tribalism et al but it doesn't seem like it needs those aspects as a primary driver of the sport.  It is immensely popular so acts as a good pointer to the future of sport.  Especially here in Australia.

Entertainment comes in many forms these days and because you work in that environment Wyl,  you should have no need to be convinced about what can work.  Where as many see t20 as a threat to Test cricket (I don't),  there should be no such concern with AFLX vs AFL. 

It's just a different version with a potential new audience.  And injuries can happen at training and often do.  AFLX was virtually tackle-free last year so the risk of injury is low anyway.  Simulated match practice has the same sort of injury risk. 

I agree entertainment ans sport are becoming blurred in some areas and yes Tackle Free Footy. I am glad you mention that. 

It’s not footy is it. By all means promote a hybrid sport, i am not against that, i am against using elite AFL Footballers to do it. 

That is my point of contention all along. 

The risks are too high for heavily invested Clubs, Sponsors and Members

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7 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I agree entertainment ans sport are becoming blurred in some areas and yes Tackle Free Footy. I am glad you mention that. 

It’s not footy is it. By all means promote a hybrid sport, i am not against that, i am against using elite AFL Footballers to do it. 

That is my point of contention all along. 

The risks are too high for heavily invested Clubs, Sponsors and Members

The hybrid version would be better for me if it were 9 a side ... more tackling would result. And therefore more injuries.  So it will stay as 7 a side.

But it is not about me nor should it be about me ... or you for that matter.  We are not the target audience. 

And that is what I am trying to point out ... once you realise what the concept is all about,  you'll understand it all.

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46 minutes ago, Macca said:

The hybrid version would be better for me if it were 9 a side ... more tackling would result. And therefore more injuries.  So it will stay as 7 a side.

But it is not about me nor should it be about me ... or you for that matter.  We are not the target audience. 

And that is what I am trying to point out ... once you realise what the concept is all about,  you'll understand it all.

I understand the concept. I know what the AFL want to do. I just don’t like it because the product is cheap and Americanised, and if any players get injured playing this Crap, i hope the AFL get sued. 

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I took my daughter and two of my nephews (at the time ages 8 to 11) and we had tickets for the kidszone area behind the goals. They all had an absolute ball. Nephews aren't Dees fans, in fact their team wasn't even playing that night. Spoke to my nephews this morning and they can't wait to go again this year. I will be taking them along with my younger nephew and middle daughter (ages 6 to 12). I guess this is the target audience. If the AFL persist with this, despite the backlash from the older generations, then they will have a built in audience for this format of the game in years to come.

From my own perspective I enjoyed the night because we won and because the kids had so much fun. I got a kick out of my nephews and their mates who were also there (all non Dees) lining up for autographs from Maxy who they saw in the crowd.

I will be livid if we cop an injury from these games as my only goal in the AFL year is a Demon's premiership. In fact if we cast our minds back TMac played in these games and did not make an appearance until 6 games into the season.

I remember as a kid watching State of Origin and wishing we had more representatives. I guess as a kid you don't look at the bigger picture that these games could potentially cost you a premiership.

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2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Dangerfield: The seasons too long, I’d like to see it reduced in length. 

AFL: We’ll pay you a small fortune to dress up as a superhero and play in a pre-season tournament. 

Dangerfield: Where do I sign? 

I hope the season is short enough for him when they don't make finals next year.

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3 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Dangerfield: The seasons too long, I’d like to see it reduced in length. 

AFL: We’ll pay you a small fortune to dress up as a superhero and play in a pre-season tournament. 

Dangerfield: Where do I sign? 

A number of people in the AFL comments section have pointed out Dangerfield’s hypocrisy in all this. Of the 280+ comments when I saw it this morning there was not one in favour. Literally not one. 

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11 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I took my daughter and two of my nephews (at the time ages 8 to 11) and we had tickets for the kidszone area behind the goals. They all had an absolute ball. Nephews aren't Dees fans, in fact their team wasn't even playing that night. Spoke to my nephews this morning and they can't wait to go again this year. I will be taking them along with my younger nephew and middle daughter (ages 6 to 12). I guess this is the target audience. If the AFL persist with this, despite the backlash from the older generations, then they will have a built in audience for this format of the game in years to come.

From my own perspective I enjoyed the night because we won and because the kids had so much fun. I got a kick out of my nephews and their mates who were also there (all non Dees) lining up for autographs from Maxy who they saw in the crowd.

I will be livid if we cop an injury from these games as my only goal in the AFL year is a Demon's premiership. In fact if we cast our minds back TMac played in these games and did not make an appearance until 6 games into the season.

I remember as a kid watching State of Origin and wishing we had more representatives. I guess as a kid you don't look at the bigger picture that these games could potentially cost you a premiership.

I would be interested in regular updates as your younger family members grow up to see whether AFLX retains their interest and/or whether you believe their support for AFLX diminishes their support of the traditional game. That last point is, to me, the biggest problem with AFLX. I still think for all its support, cricket's BBL may ultimately damage the main product.

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