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Everyone bags David King during the season so I'm sure they'll do the same here......

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Kingy might state the obvious how good Oliver is and the one  reason Melbourne finished off the season one win short of a Grand final. IMO I would take Clarry in front any midfielder without hesitation.

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2 hours ago, SFebes said:

Everyone bags David King during the season so I'm sure they'll do the same here......

Let me bag him a bit now...

Kingy was late to the party with Oliver, it took him until last season to get it and then he really got on the bandwagon.

Don't mind Kingy but I think he likes to make the big statement a lot...the law of averages says he will get one right every now and then.

As for this subject, all 3 are great players. Happy to have Oliver and unlike Kingy I like others on here could see it from his first game.

With 2 good shoulders the sky's the limit.

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3 hours ago, SFebes said:

Everyone bags David King during the season so I'm sure they'll do the same here......

King, leading with his chin, once again; however, just on the law of averages, I reckon that he has got this one statement out of ten, correct!

Clarrie is a once-in-a-decade footballer without doubt. External influences to the MFC will not recognise this accolade and/or will play it down. Interesting to note that the amount of defensive and interruptive pressure every opposition team applies to Clarrie is largely all in vain. We also have Gus. A freak show at the Brownlow. And then, there's Max. And then there's .... ..... ..... ..... !!!!! This year we have a team, as well. 

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I have been reading the thread title as:  King Oliver better than Cripps & Bont

It never occurred to me I had misread it. Only realised just then i had been.

King Oliver has a nice ring to it. I'm going to start using it. 

 

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10 minutes ago, binman said:

I have been reading the thread title as:  King Oliver better than Cripps & Bont

Didn't even think i had misread it. Only released just then i had been.

King Oliver has a nice ring to it. I'm going to start using it. 

 

 

Bin used before 'bin', but what the hell why not again...

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14 minutes ago, binman said:

I have been reading the thread title as:  King Oliver better than Cripps & Bont

It never occurred to me I had misread it. Only realised just then i had been.

King Oliver has a nice ring to it. I'm going to start using it. 

 

The original title was King on Oliver.

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15 minutes ago, Demonland said:

The original title was King on Oliver.

A nod to Star trek?

A scary, manic ball winner from the house of demon?

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I’m not sure why anyone would take notice of King’s ability to crunch stats when he can’t count to 3 drinks.

Oliver had an amazing year last year but according to that graph Bont had an equal or better year at 20.

the hope is Clarry has more improvement to come but you can’t know for certain. Judging players is far more useful when they’re 31 not 21.

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11 minutes ago, binman said:

A nod to Star trek?

A scary, manic ball winner from the house of demon?

ClarryKlingon.png

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28 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’m not sure why anyone would take notice of King’s ability to crunch stats when he can’t count to 3 drinks.

Oliver had an amazing year last year but according to that graph Bont had an equal or better year at 20.

the hope is Clarry has more improvement to come but you can’t know for certain. Judging players is far more useful when they’re 31 not 21.

What stats has he ''crunched'' ?  He's just reading charts that a 9 year old could interpret.

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He will never be rated ahead of Cripps or Bont by the general AFL public because he isn't as sexy and he's a bit of a shithouse on the field. 

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I know its human nature but I find comparisons annoying and meaningless. There are genuine stars of the game, now called elite players who bring their own talents, skills and class to the game. Each has their own individual differences that make them what they are. 

Way back in the 60s, fans and media, then called the press, compared Whitten and Barassi, and the title Mr Football often moved from one to the other, although Ted usually got the nod.  At the end of the day, both were match winning greats of the game that brought their own unique talents to each match. 

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2 hours ago, rjay said:

 

Bin used before 'bin', but what the hell why not again...

Clarry has a bit of Jazz about him.

 

... but more Clarinet than Cornet imv.

 can he sing?

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1 hour ago, Demonland said:

The original title was King on Oliver.

King on Oliver ?

or Klingon Oliver ?

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"King went on to provide further statistical analysis to show that water is wet and sky is blue"

;)

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Comparisons like these are odious. They disclose nothing about the innate skills and abilities of the players.

The only measure I have used in the past has been whether or not the player is better than most in doing what others do on the field or can he do things that no other player could even dream of doing.

The classic example of the second was our Robbie. Most of the recent Brownlow medallists, Cripps and Bont have been examples of the first.

At times I have seen Clarrie do things that others could not do.  His vision when under pressure, his ability to not only win the ball but to deny the ball to the opposition and win the ball back is beyond others.

Think how, in the final against the dorks,  he denied the dorks in the centre square scramble, won the ball and delivered it to a running Gus (I think) who kicked to the contest where Melksham swooped and goaled. No Clarrie, no goal.

That some of his magic is not apparent does not detract from his ability. At times, he is playing his own game.

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1 hour ago, ProDee said:

What stats has he ''crunched'' ?  He's just reading charts that a 9 year old could interpret.

I didn't read the article, still haven't. I assumed he would've spun a few more numbers in, my mistake.

I'd read an article on the how's and why's of David King becoming the PR guy for Champion Data. That would interest me.

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I read that article and thought “I wonder where they rate Angus Brayshaw?”... given his Brownlow number he had an exceptional output last season as well, for one so young. 

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8 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I read that article and thought “I wonder where they rate Angus Bradshaw?”... given his Brownlow number he had an exceptional output last season as well, for one so young. 

Is he related to Daniel ?   younger brother perhaps?

Daniel Mark Bradshaw

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16 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Oliver on his shoulders last year reckons he was only operating at 50% capacity 

Big 2019 coming up...

Oooohhh Mama!

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24 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Oliver on his shoulders last year reckons he was only operating at 50% capacity 

Big 2019 coming up...

Not doubting you, but wondering where you read or heard this ?

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