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7 minutes ago, ProDee said:

How can he prove my eyes "wrong" ?

It's up to him if he changes his behaviours.

Of course its up to Jeff. You had claimed he was finished ("Garlett is finished"). While i was extremely disappointed in Jeff's form last season, i would never make god like statements that a player was finished - i'd leave that to the selectors. I'd be extremely happy if he lifted his game to a level that makes him a best 22 selection. I simply asked if you'd be happy if he proved you wrong this season, that's all.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Of course its up to Jeff. You had claimed he was finished ("Garlett is finished"). While i was extremely disappointed in Jeff's form last season, i would never make god like statements that a player was finished - i'd leave that to the selectors. I'd be extremely happy if he lifted his game to a level that makes him a best 22 selection. I simply asked if you'd be happy if he proved you wrong this season, that's all.

I'll answer your feeble question this way.

I want to win a flag.  Any player that proves they deserve a spot in the best 22, or even if they're no longer best 22, but contribute meaningfully when/if they get an opportunity, please me.

I don't think Garlett will be getting the chance to please me too often.

 

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6 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Of course its up to Jeff. You had claimed he was finished ("Garlett is finished"). While i was extremely disappointed in Jeff's form last season, i would never make god like statements that a player was finished - i'd leave that to the selectors. I'd be extremely happy if he lifted his game to a level that makes him a best 22 selection. I simply asked if you'd be happy if he proved you wrong this season, that's all.

 

 

@Neil Crompton - serious question.

Why do other 'unknown entities' opinions of players matter to you?

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1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

I aiways find it funny at training, some wear the hats but backwards, obviously not to keep the sun out of eyes, why bother?

Clarry, Baker and Frost wear a family tub of sunscreen between them

To keep the sweat off their brow? 

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1 hour ago, faultydet said:

Inilagay ko ang tekstong iyon sa google translate, at hindi ito naiintindihan.
Maaari mo bang ipaliwanag sa wikang ingles?

That probably speaks to the low quality of my French, I'm afraid

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1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I'll answer your feeble question this way.

I want to win a flag.  Any player that proves they deserve a spot in the best 22, or even if they're no longer best 22, but contribute meaningfully when/if they get an opportunity, please me.

I don't think Garlett will be getting the chance to please me too often.

 

Honestly I think we're missing a creative small forward who can make goals out of nothing. Sure we had melksham, spargo and neal bulleen in there but garlett is the best reader of the play.

Saying is he's not a goodwin type player is not true as well. He was in the team at the start of the season and was dropped due to poor form. He didnt light it up at casey but was still recalled which shows goodwin rates him. I think we can all admit that garlett had a poor season and he hasnt had the same standards that he has brought to mfc every year since he joined.

If garlett can recapture his early 2017 form where he was on track for a 50 goal season. It wont be a question of whether he can please you enough to make the melbourne team but more a question whether he can make the AA team. 

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9 minutes ago, Deefiant said:

Honestly I think we're missing a creative small forward who can make goals out of nothing. Sure we had melksham, spargo and neal bulleen in there but garlett is the best reader of the play.

Saying is he's not a goodwin type player is not true as well. He was in the team at the start of the season and was dropped due to poor form. He didnt light it up at casey but was still recalled which shows goodwin rates him.

If garlett can recapture his early 2017 form where he was on track for a 50 goal season. It wont be a question of whether he can please you enough to make the melbourne team but more a question whether he can make the AA team. 

Gee thanks.

I'm somewhat aware of a player closer to 200 games than 150.  I'm also aware he's kicked 40 goals, or more, 4 odd times.  I've also seen him play for Melbourne.

We've moved past a very soft player that doesn't contribute Goodwin-style, which is why he was dropped.

What we put up with in the past we no longer will.  Clue - this bit is important.

If he wants to have a complete recalibration of his mind as he confronts his football mortality then GREAT.

It will "please" me.  I won't be holding my breath.

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If Jeffy is playing a 40+ goal per season game next year, he will be in and Goody will find a way to cover for him if necessary.

A firing Jeffy will take away a first or second ranked defender from many contests lest he sneak away and find a path to scoring.

A Jeffy who can't find the ball will release a first or second ranked defender to place pressure on other forwards.

Spargs and nibbles contribute in other ways beyond scoring as defensive forwards and creating linking plays. With Jeffy it is all or nothing. A simple equation - score and you're in, fail to score and you're out.

We should know early in the season.

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4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

So assume now Tyson and Hogan are gone, Omac is progressing,

 Garlett is going to be whipping boy de jour this year

The conditions at North Port Oval for the prelim were atrocious, yet Garlett kicked the sealer, let's not let facts interfere yet again

I am not a Garlett defender, he had a poor year last year, we know, he knows, working his [censored] off so as not to repeat it

Yes, those 11 disposals and 1 tackle in the prelim were spectacular, the next week, one of the poorest performances possible by an experienced AFL player in a VFL game. That's a more realistic snapshot than one VFL goal or one training sidestep.

Personally, I'd be thrilled if Spargo played every game and kept Garlett out of the senior side. Reward effort. I don't like players that regularly pick and choose when to play competitive footy. The days of cutting slack to guys like Garlett and Watts are thankfully over. 

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4 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

If I'm not mistaken, Fritta has been near the front in many of the running drill pics that I've seen this pre season.  I don't remember that of him last year, and if he has added that string to his bow, he will be a weapon and a half on the wing.

Totally agree. A great first year playing out of his comfort zone down back.

Can't wait to see him wing or half forward. Reminds me so much of a Brad Greene

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2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Totally agree. A great first year playing out of his comfort zone down back.

Can't wait to see him wing or half forward. Reminds me so much of a Brad Greene

Potentially a better player than Brad with more strings to his game.

Brad played some good games but he played plenty of poor ones as well. 

Lets hope that Fritta does not get a dose of second year blues. 

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19 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Yes, those 11 disposals and 1 tackle in the prelim were spectacular, the next week, one of the poorest performances possible by an experienced AFL player in a VFL game. That's a more realistic snapshot than one VFL goal or one training sidestep.

Personally, I'd be thrilled if Spargo played every game and kept Garlett out of the senior side. Reward effort. I don't like players that regularly pick and choose when to play competitive footy. The days of cutting slack to guys like Garlett and Watts are thankfully over. 

It was in answer to a post saying Garlett needs perfect conditions to thrive, a la Sam Pang, but you can always take it out of context to make your point

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28 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

It was in answer to a post saying Garlett needs perfect conditions to thrive, a la Sam Pang, but you can always take it out of context to make your point

?????

Garlett struggles to thrive at VFL level, let alone in the seniors. 11 disp in the wet is hardly thriving. One goal proves nadda, but you can always take it out of context to make your point 

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7 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

?????

Garlett struggles to thrive at VFL level, let alone in the seniors. 11 disp in the wet is hardly thriving. One goal proves nadda, but you can always take it out of context to make your point 

I take it you weren't at North Port oval on that day, I was, to actually get a clean possession was a bonus

The best player for Casey that day was JKH, another whipping.boy

Nobody is disagreeing he had a poor season and went missing in the Grand Final, a state in which he wasn't alone

They lost the Grand Final because the superior ruck and midfield finally told, not because Jeff Garlett and others had a poor game

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I just find it sad that so many are still so bitter. We are such a decent well rounded side now that a guy of Jeffy’s natural ability couldn’t break in. That’s the headline here kids, the rest is semantics. 

 

That is one beautiful headline to me

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1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

I take it you weren't at North Port oval on that day, I was, to actually get a clean possession was a bonus

The best player for Casey that day was JKH, another whipping.boy

Nobody is disagreeing he had a poor season and went missing in the Grand Final, a state in which he wasn't alone

They lost the Grand Final because the superior ruck and midfield finally told, not because Jeff Garlett and others had a poor game

Irrelevant. 

He's an experienced AFL player and his shocker contributed towards the GF loss. I won't be an apologist anymore for pea hearts. Suit yourself.

I'll leave you to keep going.

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3 minutes ago, MrReims said:

I just find it sad that so many are still so bitter. We are such a decent well rounded side now that a guy of Jeffy’s natural ability couldn’t break in. That’s the headline here kids, the rest is semantics. 

 

That is one beautiful headline to me

I don't think the discussion comes from bitterness.  I think it comes from supporters understanding the value Jeffy can bring to the side when he's in form, but also lamenting the fact that he hasn't gotten near it for a while now.  His form at VFL level was poor and he didn't even look like getting a recall, even though we were screaming out for someone to sit at the feet of our tall forwards.

I'd love to see him get back to his 40 goal a season form, but as ProDee mentioned earlier, there is no room in our side for soft small forwards who don't chase and don't work hard enough.  If Jeff wants to survive past 2019 then he'll have to change.

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3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I take it you weren't at North Port oval on that day, I was, to actually get a clean possession was a bonus

The best player for Casey that day was JKH, another whipping.boy

Nobody is disagreeing he had a poor season and went missing in the Grand Final, a state in which he wasn't alone

They lost the Grand Final because the superior ruck and midfield finally told, not because Jeff Garlett and others had a poor game

Fair enough Saty. 

The problem is that JG has history, has form, has a footy CV. 

Im sure we all hope that he has a terrific year because JG at his best is good for the team. 

However he will have to become the footballer he’s never been .....consistent over the whole season.  He has to bring consistency in attitude and application. In short become the footballer he has promised to be but never has. 

But he’s back, apparently fit and displaying a good attitude. He needs to be as he is playing for his career. 

He will need to be showing form early so he gets selection. If he starts at Casey and can’t crack the Seniors, I suspect his form and interest will go out the window and it will be all over red rover. 

I hope he surprises us all. 

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48 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I take it you weren't at North Port oval on that day, I was, to actually get a clean possession was a bonus

The best player for Casey that day was JKH, another whipping.boy

Nobody is disagreeing he had a poor season and went missing in the Grand Final, a state in which he wasn't alone

They lost the Grand Final because the superior ruck and midfield finally told, not because Jeff Garlett and others had a poor game

I agree but Garlett is a surplus now if he plays well great but he is replaceable a few years ago a 40 goal forward wasn't. Hannan, Fritsch and Spargo can replace him and not forgetting the new recruits in Bedford and Chandler.

I'm going on Friday will most of the players be there or will it be like Wednesday?

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8 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I agree but Garlett is a surplus now if he plays well great but he is replaceable a few years ago a 40 goal forward wasn't. Hannan, Fritsch and Spargo can replace him and not forgetting the new recruits in Bedford and Chandler.

I'm going on Friday will most of the players be there or will it be like Wednesday?

What is like Wednesday? Is it between Shrove Tuesday & Maundy Thursday?

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9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I'm going on Friday will most of the players be there or will it be like Wednesday?

I may be there on Friday too.

I believe Wednesdays are "closed sessions" or more practically an unadvertised sessions on a publicly open and accessible field. According to Saty these are usually "craft work" sessions which I assume has the players working on their specific areas as well as the usual running and fitness work. Based on the photos from this past Wednesday (yesterday) there were a couple players missing, namely Max and May, as they went to Alice Springs, I'm assuming for some type of promotion for our games in the NT. I'm sure we'll see the promos/articles on that soon. Most other players were there. It's safe to assume the majority of players will be in attendance on Friday's advertised session.

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10 hours ago, hemingway said:

 

The problem is that JG has history, has form, has a footy CV. 

However he will have to become the footballer he’s never been .....consistent over the whole season.  He has to bring consistency in attitude and application. In short become the footballer he has promised to be but never has. 

 

How true that is, on both counts.

Jeff's other major problem is that the game has changed.  And that is why he needs to become the footballer he NEVER has been. 

Clubs  changed their defensive structures last year, and the small "out the back" type players ( Garlett, Puopolo, Betts, Rohan etc) dropped off with their goal output.  So unless these players bring a defensive side to the game, in the same manner as Rioli ( RIchmond) and Butler( Richmond) there is no role for them to play. 

Betts and Puopolo have a regular slot in their sides.  No defensive side....Rohan traded, Menzel traded, Garlett VFL. 

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Anyone know where training might be/ times next monday? coming from interstate and a super rare chance to get there. 

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29 minutes ago, Demonland said:

I may be there on Friday too.

I believe Wednesdays are "closed sessions" or more practically an unadvertised sessions on a publicly open and accessible field. According to Saty these are usually "craft work" sessions which I assume has the players working on their specific areas as well as the usual running and fitness work. Based on the photos from this past Wednesday (yesterday) there were a couple players missing, namely Max and May, as they went to Alice Springs, I'm assuming for some type of promotion for our games in the NT. I'm sure we'll see the promos/articles on that soon. Most other players were there. It's safe to assume the majority of players will be in attendance on Friday's advertised session.

To steal from Denis Cometti, it looks like they travelled alphabetically.

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2 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

How true that is, on both counts.

Jeff's other major problem is that the game has changed.  And that is why he needs to become the footballer he NEVER has been. 

Clubs  changed their defensive structures last year, and the small "out the back" type players ( Garlett, Puopolo, Betts, Rohan etc) dropped off with their goal output.  So unless these players bring a defensive side to the game, in the same manner as Rioli ( RIchmond) and Butler( Richmond) there is no role for them to play. 

Betts and Puopolo have a regular slot in their sides.  No defensive side....Rohan traded, Menzel traded, Garlett VFL. 

Bit rough calling Puopolo an out the back player.  But your point is spot on.  Forwards who can’t create turnovers are now a liability.  If Jeff wants to play 22 games he doesn’t need 40 goals, he needs 100 tackles.  He has never done that in a season and hasn’t been close since his first year at Melbourne.  Puopolo and Rioli pretty much did it every year at Hawthorn.  Jeff goes into this year a bit like Bugg went into 2018.  He’s on his absolute last chance.   One poor defensive game and that is his career done.

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