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9 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

I am hoping that something gets announced soon. We are in the driver’s seat, but Geelong are very good at drafting players they want and could pull the rug from under us if we sit on this too long.

As I’ve stated before, I understand he has committed to us verbally and will begin training next month. I will be more comfortable when we come out and announce we want him and tht we are adding him to our our permission to train list. 

Time will tell, but the Geelong angle worries me. They are a sneaky bunch 

Nev may be more important in this than we realise. He would be the perfect mentor to the new father trying to resurrect his footy career.

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Spoke with a senior player at the races yesterday -  said it’s a done deal -  Harley on his way to dees.  Fair to say this player was more excited about Harley than he was Tomlinson -  indicated a few of the senior leaders thought the 4 years and $ excessive.

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9 minutes ago, Canplay said:

Spoke with a senior player at the races yesterday -  said it’s a done deal -  Harley on his way to dees.  Fair to say this player was more excited about Harley than he was Tomlinson -  indicated a few of the senior leaders thought the 4 years and $ excessive.

See now I know you're lying because players openly discussing salary and contract length is not only a HR breach but also a privacy breach and likely in breach of their own contract terms. 

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11 minutes ago, Canplay said:

Spoke with a senior player at the races yesterday -  said it’s a done deal -  Harley on his way to dees.  Fair to say this player was more excited about Harley than he was Tomlinson -  indicated a few of the senior leaders thought the 4 years and $ excessive.

Thanks for info but I find it very strange that a senior player would talk about a teammate’s contract status to a fan at a social gathering. 

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26 minutes ago, Canplay said:

Spoke with a senior player at the races yesterday -  said it’s a done deal -  Harley on his way to dees.  Fair to say this player was more excited about Harley than he was Tomlinson -  indicated a few of the senior leaders thought the 4 years and $ excessive.

 

15 minutes ago, praha said:

See now I know you're lying because players openly discussing salary and contract length is not only a HR breach but also a privacy breach and likely in breach of their own contract terms. 

 

11 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Thanks for info but I find it very strange that a senior player would talk about a teammate’s contract status to a fan at a social gathering. 

Somehow I don't think it was this mystery "senior player" who had the problem with the contract...

 

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2 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

This is what I don’t understand and in true demonland spirit I normally think I know everything.

Can someone explain why in previous calf injuries mri scans were showing a tear if it was just his calf pushing on nerves? 

 

Might leave that for @Webber but in my case, the soleus was inflamed by my nerve issue. I don’t know what the scan would look like but a rudimentary assessment was that I strained my calf when I didn’t.

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Is he a Dee yet? What number do I need to get on my jumper? And what nickname do I call him? 

Also.. is he likely to play?

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29 minutes ago, SPC said:

Is he a Dee yet? What number do I need to get on my jumper? And what nickname do I call him? 

Also.. is he likely to play?

Yes

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No

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1 hour ago, Canplay said:

Spoke with a senior player at the races yesterday -  said it’s a done deal -  Harley on his way to dees.  Fair to say this player was more excited about Harley than he was Tomlinson -  indicated a few of the senior leaders thought the 4 years and $ excessive.

Was he [censored]?

 

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53 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

 

Somehow I don't think it was this mystery "senior player" who had the problem with the contract...

 

It probably only indicates that Canplay led the witness/senior player with his line of questioning, however, nobody could possibly be the slightest bit surprised that the majority of Dees players would be shaking their heads at Tomlinson getting a long term, lucrative contract.

 

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5 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

It probably only indicates that Canplay led the witness/senior player with his line of questioning, however, nobody could possibly be the slightest bit surprised that the majority of Dees players would be shaking their heads at Tomlinson getting a long term, lucrative contract.

 

pure jealousy on their part that he's been part of a regular finals team for the last, what, five seasons?

he has more finals experience than our entire leadership team COMBINED

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1 hour ago, Canplay said:

Spoke with a senior player at the races yesterday -  said it’s a done deal -  Harley on his way to dees.  Fair to say this player was more excited about Harley than he was Tomlinson -  indicated a few of the senior leaders thought the 4 years and $ excessive.

See, had you left it at the end of the bolded part then I'd be far more inclined to believe you.

Adding in that he indicated that senior leaders thought his contract length and the dollars he is on is excessive is not believable in the slightest.  No chance a senior player, who knows far better, would say something like that to someone at the races.  

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14 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

It probably only indicates that Canplay led the witness/senior player with his line of questioning, however, nobody could possibly be the slightest bit surprised that the majority of Dees players would be shaking their heads at Tomlinson getting a long term, lucrative contract.

From my limited experience with AFL players, they don't know or care about their team mates remuneration, only their performance and how they fit in. Have also heard countless interviews with players where they say none of them talk about their contract details.

But sure, you can choose to believe that a poster on the internet (who has already complained about Tomlinson's contract details, which they have no actual knowledge of), had a player complain, in a public place; to someone they've never met before, about something they wouldn't know about.

 

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1 hour ago, praha said:

See now I know you're lying because players openly discussing salary and contract length is not only a HR breach but also a privacy breach and likely in breach of their own contract terms. 

I would agree with that and I doubt if a player would convey that.

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25 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

It probably only indicates that Canplay led the witness/senior player with his line of questioning, however, nobody could possibly be the slightest bit surprised that the majority of Dees players would be shaking their heads at Tomlinson getting a long term, lucrative contract.

 

They would not convey their thoughts if they felt that way to someone at the races

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52 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

From my limited experience with AFL players, they don't know or care about their team mates remuneration, only their performance and how they fit in. Have also heard countless interviews with players where they say none of them talk about their contract details.

But sure, you can choose to believe that a poster on the internet (who has already complained about Tomlinson's contract details, which they have no actual knowledge of), had a player complain, in a public place; to someone they've never met before, about something they wouldn't know about.

 

Yeah, I dunno about that.  In 1996 when I was a working at a school in the south east Paul Hopgood came out to do a clinic with our kids.  I didn't know him personally, and he certainly didn't know me from a bar of soap.  He quickly ascertained I was a Melbourne fan.  The Dees were struggling and talk got around to new recruit David Grant from St Kilda - who apparently was on ok money but doing nothing on field.  Hoppy had no problem expressing his displeasure at both the recruitment and performance of Grant and the fact that better credentialled and performed players were on less coin. Now that was more than 20 years ago, but in my experience is fairly representative of the views of most players where self interest still rates pretty highly.

Re Tomlinson - the couple of players I know seem pleased to have him on board.  He is a decent guy apparently. Neither had an issue with what he is apparently earning. 

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2 hours ago, goodwindees said:

It probably only indicates that Canplay led the witness/senior player with his line of questioning, however, nobody could possibly be the slightest bit surprised that the majority of Dees players would be shaking their heads at Tomlinson getting a long term, lucrative contract.

 

Define lucrative. From all reports he is going to be on around $500k, vs an AFL average of ~$350k in 2020. According to this article https://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/player-payments-revealed-millionaires-on-the-up there were about 140 players earning more than 500k in 2017. The salary cap has increased by over $500k since then, so expect that to be closer to 200 players in 2020.

With 18 clubs, that's 11 players per club at >$500k. So $500k is "top 11 player" money. 

 

He will be our 6th most senior player in terms of games played. Although he may not be our most attacking player, given his important structural role and versatility, he'll be one of the first picked every week, and certainly in our top 11. He has a track record of not missing games through injuries. All of these traits justify his salary. 

He's only 26, so we'll comfortably get 5 years from him. By the time the contract ends, he'll be on below average money given the salary cap increase. 

 

I doubt anyone who has any clue is concerned. 

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18 minutes ago, deanox said:

Define lucrative. From all reports he is going to be on around $500k, vs an AFL average of ~$350k in 2020. According to this article https://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-22/player-payments-revealed-millionaires-on-the-up there were about 140 players earning more than 500k in 2017. The salary cap has increased by over $500k since then, so expect that to be closer to 200 players in 2020.

With 18 clubs, that's 11 players per club at >$500k. So $500k is "top 11 player" money. 

 

He will be our 6th most senior player in terms of games played. Although he may not be our most attacking player, given his important structural role and versatility, he'll be one of three first picked every week. He has a track record of not missing games through injuries. All of these traits justify his salary. 

He's only 26, so we'll comfortably get 5 years from him. By the time the contract ends, he'll be on below average money given the salary cap increase. 

 

I doubt anyone who has any clue is concerned. 

Hes a  very ordinary player who we gave a 4 year deal too,  of course some players will be unhappy.

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23 minutes ago, deanox said:

I doubt anyone who has any clue is concerned. 

JSK is concerned.  QED.

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2 hours ago, goodwindees said:

nobody could possibly be the slightest bit surprised that the majority of Dees players would be shaking their heads at Tomlinson getting a long term, lucrative contract.

Given that no-one our list this year gave a rats [censored] and were too lazy to continually run up and down the field to provide an option (the one thing Tomlinson is renowned for), i welcome Adam with open arms.

Hopefully it rubs off on all our players.

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3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

From my limited experience with AFL players, they don't know or care about their team mates remuneration, only their performance and how they fit in. Have also heard countless interviews with players where they say none of them talk about their contract details.

But sure, you can choose to believe that a poster on the internet (who has already complained about Tomlinson's contract details, which they have no actual knowledge of), had a player complain, in a public place; to someone they've never met before, about something they wouldn't know about.

 

And you can believe that AFL players care little about where they fit in on their Club’s pay scale if you choose, however, that would totally defy one of humans greatest emotions (envy) but maybe your limited experience with AFL players proves otherwise. 

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5 hours ago, Canplay said:

Spoke with a senior player at the races yesterday -  said it’s a done deal -  Harley on his way to dees.  Fair to say this player was more excited about Harley than he was Tomlinson -  indicated a few of the senior leaders thought the 4 years and $ excessive.

Thanks for the info @Canplay

Not a comment directed at you - but I would have thought some of the senior leaders should be worried about being competitive this year and focus on playing some good football rather than assessing paypackets. Sounds like success isn't important to some.

Seems to be very MFC thing to get caught up in.... You hear completely different stories at the successful clubs (Hawks, Swans, Cats etc) 

By the way I get how some players could be peeved at certain reported pay offers to FAs but they should also know what goes around comes around. I don't know why we bother.... 

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3 hours ago, goodwindees said:

It probably only indicates that Canplay led the witness/senior player with his line of questioning, however, nobody could possibly be the slightest bit surprised that the majority of Dees players would be shaking their heads at Tomlinson getting a long term, lucrative contract.

 

For me it indicates the leaders are not good leaders. Focusing on player payments isn't their jobs.

Probably indicates why as a team the MFC is so unsuccessful.

But I also agree with above points that the questioning was leading and the comments could be out of context.

Either way time will tell

 

I do find the whole wages/payment debate a little bit pointless. The AFLPA require $XXX of the salary cap (I cbf looking up the actual value) to be paid every year. So what a player is paid in any year is really irrelevant. The team is the more important.

 Just take GCS as a prime example - how the hell does a unsuccessful team like that get in to cap trouble? The answer is in how the cap is enforced by the AFL and AFLPA

What is fair is an irrelevant discussion - IMO list make up is a lot more important

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