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4 minutes ago, willmoy said:

I prefer the Buffalo Texture myself....

is sir walter a buffalo? i think it might be, so you make a good point

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Just keep Hogan and not bother with freo.Im like others not convinced about May.Very overrated...

 

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So Peter Bell has flown in from Perth to get this deal done.  There is no doubt he is under serious pressure from his Board, Supporter Base and the other AFL clubs that are relying on the Hogan deal to get their trades done.

The MFC can’t blink. We must stare down at very least picks 5, 23 and 30.  In my view this is still cheap, but this does allow the MFC to complete its aims for the trading period.  

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6 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

So Peter Bell has flown in from Perth to get this deal done.  There is no doubt he is under serious pressure from his Board, Supporter Base and the other AFL clubs that are relying on the Hogan deal to get their trades done.

The MFC can’t blink. We must stare down at very least picks 5, 23 and 30.  In my view this is still cheap, but this does allow the MFC to complete its aims for the trading period.  

Well you are probably right. But it would be sweet music to my ears if we just told Bell to g$% s*#&$^%

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2 hours ago, olisik said:

Here are some numbers on the bags of goals kicked Steven May in 2018. Honestly it’s not a pick 5 upgrade from OMac to May. 

 

J Kennedy - 5.3

Cam Mcarthy 3 goals

J Battle - 3 Goals

J Cameron - 6.3

B Brown - 4.2

M Baguley -3.2 (Daniher out)

Tom McDonald - 5.1

J Riewoldt - 10.6

E Hipwood - 3

As i have been at pains to say about our backline, in modern footy defenders have no chance when their team mates are not applying manic all ground pressure, tackling, gut running to stop uncontested marks (and stopping run on when they can't stop the mark) and in particular pressure on that last kick inside 50.

Look at what happened when our numbers in those categories fell off a cliff in the prelim.

Well that was the tale for most of the year for GC games. I happened to watch some of the GC v tiger game and there was zero pressure from GC. Riewold will probably never have an easier game. I reckon i could could have kicked one or two such was the lack of pressure (that's a joke btw).

Also the GC zone is a mess, which can't help the big defender much, nor can the fact they do't really have an strong intercept defender. . 

All that said, to be honest i don't watch a huge of amount of footy other than dees games. So i don't really have a good sense of how good May really is. 

If i have a concern it is that he as knocked two blokes into next week and received deservedly long suspensions. Speaks of someone who has control issues.

However, I trust the club to make the right call and have full confidence if they are keen to get him then he is the right player for our club and will improve our chances of the ultimate success. I had the same response to the trading in of Lever. 

 

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Ideally, we'd be paying under market value for May's contract given we're helping him out of the GCS disaster and giving him a shot at a premiership(s). That is what being a destination club is.

I'd hope that Hogan is the only player we've got on significantly larger money and it sounds like Lever was up there too, but my main concern is holding onto our core midfield group in Oliver, Brayshaw, Gawn, Viney, Harmes and Petracca. I'd hope therefore that a number of our players would take slightly under market value to stay together.

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18 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

So Peter Bell has flown in from Perth to get this deal done.  There is no doubt he is under serious pressure from his Board, Supporter Base and the other AFL clubs that are relying on the Hogan deal to get their trades done.

The MFC can’t blink. We must stare down at very least picks 5, 23 and 30.  In my view this is still cheap, but this does allow the MFC to complete its aims for the trading period.  

Agree with this all the pressure is on the little man. 5, 23 & 30 has to be a minimum!!! 

5 & 11 is still what I would be pushing for as this really is his value. 

I really get the sense that Mahoney will blink first however & fold with just pick 5 or 5 & 23 and we end up losing Hogan for May & change. 

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I wonder how many of those poster who don't rate May wanted to play Pedersen every week and were livid when Watts was put on the market ?

I'm guessing strong correlations.  😦

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3 hours ago, djr said:

Wouldn't be surprised if that pick 5 goes directly to Adelaide for their pick 8 and 13. We then pass on pick 8 to Suns and go to the draft with pick 13. That would be a good result.

We got [censored] off with Freo trading down from pick 6 and offering us pick 11 yet you want us to do the same to GC (trade down from 5 and offer 8)?

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2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I wonder how many of those poster who don't rate May wanted to play Pedersen every week and were livid when Watts was put on the market ?

I'm guessing strong correlations.  😦

It’s a funny one isn’t it? I’m sort of in the camp of being willing to accept slight unders for hogan to get May across the line because I think if he comes, we are a better chance of winning the 2019 premiership. 

I guess if the club were asking for pick 5 &23 for hogan or whatever of course you’d sacrifice pick 23 worst case scenario for a couple of % better chance at a flag next year 

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22 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Well you are probably right. But it would be sweet music to my ears if we just told Bell to g$% s*#&$^%

Mahoney could do the deal, shake Bells hands and say "Belly, go f_$k yourself" 

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We got [censored] off with Freo trading down from pick 6 and offering us pick 11 yet you want us to do the same to GC (trade down from 5 and offer 8)?

Who said we have offered 5 to Suns?

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12 minutes ago, GCDee said:

Agree with this all the pressure is on the little man. 5, 23 & 30 has to be a minimum!!! 

5 & 11 is still what I would be pushing for as this really is his value. 

I really get the sense that Mahoney will blink first however & fold with just pick 5 or 5 & 23 and we end up losing Hogan for May & change. 

WE have a new mantra as Dees supporters: ' Five ... Twenty three ... Thirty ... or Five ... Eleven, no less!' 

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49 minutes ago, ICU2 Jerry Jerry said:

Watching Dravid bat is more exciting than this trade period 

I loved watching Dravid bat. Such an intelligent cricketer.

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3 hours ago, olisik said:

Here are some numbers on the bags of goals kicked Steven May in 2018. Honestly it’s not a pick 5 upgrade from OMac to May. 

 

J Kennedy - 5.3

Cam Mcarthy 3 goals

J Battle - 3 Goals

J Cameron - 6.3

B Brown - 4.2

M Baguley -3.2 (Daniher out)

Tom McDonald - 5.1

J Riewoldt - 10.6

E Hipwood - 3

If Rance and McGovern both played for GC, those players are still kicking bags.

Gold Coast are a terrible terrible team. The ball spends more time in their backline than anywhere else on the field.

 

On a side note, if we trade Hogan for just pick 5, it tells me there is something NQR with him and we want him gone.

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So, do we value Hogan to us at $1 mio per year?  What would we need to see him deliver for this to be fair pay?

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Gc have done 4 trades in the last few hours. 

 

I serioiusly hope Mahoney has other trades in the works outside of the obvious Hogan/KK/May ones we are aware about.

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14 hours ago, Redleg said:

Yep Tigers signed Dusty for peanuts. About $1.3m peanuts a year for about 6 years.

Not talking about last year, but I guess your memory does not go far, before dusty won the brownlow his contract was for far less then after brownlow win, he did not even  speak to  GWS last year, it was north Melbourne, and he rejected them. So before u think about making someone look silly, u better know what they are talking about.

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8 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

It’s a funny one isn’t it? I’m sort of in the camp of being willing to accept slight unders for hogan to get May across the line because I think if he comes, we are a better chance of winning the 2019 premiership. 

I guess if the club were asking for pick 5 &23 for hogan or whatever of course you’d sacrifice pick 23 worst case scenario for a couple of % better chance at a flag next year 

Or here's an idea....

Get the actual value of our contracted star forward & then pay a fair price for May.... 

Why should we sacrifice to get the deal done?

Why isn't Freo sacrificing to ship Neale off to get Hogan & Lobb in? 

Why isn't Brissy sacrificing and just paying overs to get Neale? 

Why isn't Collingwood sacrificing & paying overs to bring Beams home? 

 

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3 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

It’s a funny one isn’t it? I’m sort of in the camp of being willing to accept slight unders for hogan to get May across the line because I think if he comes, we are a better chance of winning the 2019 premiership. 

I guess if the club were asking for pick 5 &23 for hogan or whatever of course you’d sacrifice pick 23 worst case scenario for a couple of % better chance at a flag next year 

 I think its easy to think that way and I can understand that like many, we would just like  this done.

However I think we would  be an even bigger chance for improvement by negotiating properly ,as well as maintaining a little negotiating respect .

After all we seem to have come a long way from our opening negotiating position and it shouldn't be necessary for us to totally prostitute ourselves, particularly considering how Freo have conducted themselves throughout the process.

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13 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

This is about as exciting as the royal visit

Went and had some lunch before and turned on the box. Noticed that 7, 9, abc were showing the royal couple in Sydney. Turned the box off in disgust.

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10 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Mahoney could do the deal, shake Bells hands and say "Belly, go f_$k yourself" 

I was thinking more like the end of Django Unchained, where Christoph Waltz refuses to shake Leonardo Dicaprio's hand, and a murderous spree ensues.

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