Farewell Jesse Hogan

[mauriesy 6,783]

36 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

That @Whispering_Jack's gag mate

It must have been in the five pages I skipped.

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1 hour ago, tarzan16 said:

first post in years. looks like we will have to get a deal done, a work colleague, she's a big dees fan, who's brother was in Bali with Jesse, from WA, good mates,  Jesse has said to him he will not sign a new deal with Melbourne if he isn't traded, he will walk end of next year, Freo are aware of this too, they just think his demands are too high. Sad really. So will it force us to take unders? Or Hold tight?  seems determined to go home.

The word of someone who hasn't posted in year's work-colleague's brother. Sounds reliable.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

1 hour ago, tarzan16 said:

first post in years. looks like we will have to get a deal done, a work colleague, she's a big dees fan, who's brother was in Bali with Jesse, from WA, good mates,  Jesse has said to him he will not sign a new deal with Melbourne if he isn't traded, he will walk end of next year, Freo are aware of this too, they just think his demands are too high. Sad really. So will it force us to take unders? Or Hold tight?  seems determined to go home.

Thanks Tarzan.

This confirms what I’ve been saying. Freo and Hogan have a handshake deal for him to return to Perth in 12 months.

Unless Melbourne capitulate and accept massive unders now for Hogan (11 & steak knives), Bell is going to keep pick 5 in the superdraft and collect him out of the bargain bin next year. 

Dees are going to get stiffed here. Freo are going to have their cake and eat it too and we’ve  got a wantaway,, uncommitted forward on our hands for another year.

Plus we don’t get May. What a bummer!

Edited October 17, 2018 by EnterTheDragon

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16 minutes ago, Demonland said:

this one looks the fairest of the lot tbh...

[Marco 69]

when all the dust has settled on this. I would like the club to tell us the truth why 

1.Hogan wanted to leave?

2.Why the club made no genuine attempt to keep him?

 

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,636]

10 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Thanks Tarzan.

This confirms what I’ve been saying. Freo and Hogan have a handshake deal for him to return to Perth in 12 months.

Unless Melbourne capitulate and accept massive unders now for Hogan (11 & steak knives), Bell is going to keep pick 5 in the superdraft and collect him out of the bargain bin next year. 

Dees are going to get stiffed here. Freo are going to have their cake and eat it too and we’ve  got a wantaway,, uncommitted forward on our hands for another year.

Plus we don’t get May. What a bummer!

No, you have been saying there is no chance of a deal, that Freo aren’t interested.

Also, Brisbane no longer have pick 5

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24 minutes ago, deeboy said:

For all Mahoney's talk of being happy to keep Jesse unless we get a deal up there with the best ever, we are about to capitulate and trade out the best young key forward in the game for significant unders, while in the premiership window. So frustrating and disappointing. For all the rubbish Bell has copped, he has actually done a bloody good job for his football club. Mahoney could actually learn a few things from him with regards to playing hardball.

Harsh. This is a game of poker where Hogan has told Bell what cards Mahoney is holding. It's a lot easier to play hardball when you already know the guy isn't going to renew and you don't have to pay extra to lure him out.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Just now, Marco said:

when all the dust has settled on this. I would like the club to tell us the truth why 

1.Hogan wanted to leave?

2.Why the club made no genuine attempt to keep him?

 

we'll probably never know 1....but because of 1 they did 2 ( and made the best of it )

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Just now, Marco said:

when all the dust has settled on this. I would like the club to tell us the truth why 

1.Hogan wanted to leave?

2.Why the club made no genuine attempt to keep him?

Why do we deserve to know private information about one of the players? 

[Bang Bang Bang 5,429]

May, KK and pick 23 would be an OK result IMO. Only because Jesse doesn't want to be there. I'd expect May to push for AA and play 100 games, KK could be a bargain and pick 23 is a good hand for JT to play with. I wouldn't willingly trade Jesse for that price though.

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14 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

The word of someone who hasn't posted in year's work-colleague's brother. Sounds reliable.

Lot of gullible people on here.

[Lord Travis 10,136]

Freo just got pick 6 back again? Port now hold pick 5, so have got their high pick to draft an SA kid.

So it'll now be 6+23/30 got Hogan?

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Just now, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

No, you have been saying there is no chance of a deal, that Freo aren’t interested.

Also, Brisbane no longer have pick 5

*Edit to pick 6. What’s the diff.

I have said Freo either aren’t interested or are playing funny buggas to get him next year cheaply. I’ve been totally consistent on this.

You seem nervous I’m going to be right. Getting a bit jittery there RGRS? Deadline day can do that to you!

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2 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Harsh. This is a game of poker where Hogan has told Bell what cards Mahoney is holding. It's a lot easier to play hardball when you already know the guy isn't going to renew and you don't have to pay extra to lure him out.

The fact he won't renew is irrelevant. He won't be a free agent next year, so Freo would still have to trade for him or risk us pushing him to the draft or negotiating with West Coast.

Bell has played hard ball with Neale even though Neal has said he will walk next year. It can still be done.

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3 minutes ago, Marco said:

when all the dust has settled on this. I would like the club to tell us the truth why 

1.Hogan wanted to leave?

2.Why the club made no genuine attempt to keep him?

 

1. That doesn't need to be public consumption - we don't deserve to know why, it's irrelevant.

2.The genuine attempt to keep someone begins from day one of entry into the club... and if someone STILL doesn't want to be there, then it's not because of the genuine attempts...

 

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4 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Harsh. This is a game of poker where Hogan has told Bell what cards Mahoney is holding. It's a lot easier to play hardball when you already know the guy isn't going to renew and you don't have to pay extra to lure him out.

Absolutely. Bell is no genius, he's been handed a sweet set of cards - all he has to do is sit tight and not stuff it up. I think Mahoney is playing this about as well as he can given the circumstances.

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1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

Freo just got pick 6 back again? Port now hold pick 5, so have got their high pick to draft an SA kid.

So it'll now be 6+23/30 got Hogan?

Still looks fine to be - If 6 is acceptable to GCS for May and KK it doesn't matter that it isn't #5.  Whatever gets the deal done.

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2 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

*Edit to pick 6. What’s the diff.

I have said Freo either aren’t interested or are playing funny buggas to get him next year cheaply. I’ve been totally consistent on this.

You seem nervous I’m going to be right. Getting a bit jittery there RGRS? Deadline day can do that to you!

Tell us how they are going to get him cheaply next year.

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1 minute ago, deeboy said:

The fact he won't renew is irrelevant. He won't be a free agent next year, so Freo would still have to trade for him or risk us pushing him to the draft or negotiating with West Coast.

Bell has played hard ball with Neale even though Neal has said he will walk next year. It can still be done.

Why try and judge the performance of Mahoney or Bell or any of those involved until we see the final result?  For all the posturing of Bell and diplomacy of Mahoney, the result may very well turn out to be a fair one.

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4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

*Edit to pick 6. What’s the diff.

I have said Freo either aren’t interested or are playing funny buggas to get him next year cheaply. I’ve been totally consistent on this.

You seem nervous I’m going to be right. Getting a bit jittery there RGRS? Deadline day can do that to you!

Nervous about what?

Even if you are proven right (which won’t happen), I am not fussed, they will still have to trade for him next year

[deeboy 40]

Port just got picks 15, 35 and Burton for wingard with a pick swap at the back in Hawthorn's favour. 

Given Burton would have been worth a first rounder alone, it seems they are going to get a significantly better deal for Wingard than we get for Hogan.

[Red But Mostly Blue 3,611]

I must have read about 50 posts today about us getting 'shafted' or 'bent over' (bingo must be going crazy today @binman), but have I missed something? The day is not done, and the deal has not been finalised. It would be great if we could wait it out (the FD won't, and shouldn't, be working off hyperbolic comments made here, I trust them to do what's right for the club, as their recent record is good), then determine whether we think it was right.

And even then, it won't matter as long as we can plug a hole in the list (May, KK) and anyone else will be a bonus.

Edited October 17, 2018 by RedButMostlyBlue
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[John Demonic 4,781]

Which demonlander on trade radio right now? Discussing how Melbourne have been reduced from 5/6 to 5/23/30 to 5/23, Twomey saying we've lost our bargaining power because we're happy to see him go if we can get other deals done.

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4 minutes ago, RedButMostlyBlue said:

Absolutely. Bell is no genius, he's been handed a sweet set of cards - all he has to do is sit tight and not stuff it up. I think Mahoney is playing this about as well as he can given the circumstances.

Agreed if Hogan has made it clear that he will not be at Melbourne beyond 2019. 

Mahoney is between a rock and a hard place. 

So I would not judge him on the Hogan scenario. 

The best deal possible depends entirely on what other parties want or are prepared to give up. 

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Clearly hogan wants out.

we need certain rolls filled

simple.