Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Demon17 4,531]

4 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

In the same way we were left exposed when Lever went down, who comes in as key forward if we trade Hogan and one of Weid or TMac go down?

Trading Hogan still feels ridiculous to me.

Exactly.  My understanding from a club source is that hogan has been groomed as a high half foward utility type and that weideman was seen as the tall forward. Hence hogans up ground time this year and given his aerobic capacity.  

Nuts to trade such a quality player. I dont care who would come in. Goody trades out those who dont fit. Watts......

Hogan is a star.

[Axis of Bob 10,158]

Just now, Axis of Bob said:

If you do the sums with the points then it was effectively a single pick 7 for Lever. 

So pick 5 is already more than we paid for Lever. 

If Jesse is traded, we aren't going to get two top 5 picks IMO. We may get a top 5 plus a later first rounder or players to that value.

[SFebes 4,692]

3 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

So we have enough money for one big fish + the 800k or whatever a year Hogan is on available. How do we fit May, Gaff, Preuss and Whitfield into that space? Gaff will want a min of 800k himself and then May would be 600k+. Are we paying Preuss and Whitfield in high fives and IOU notes.

Vince retired, Jones and Lewis in last year of contract, Pedo gone

[pinkshark 935]

On 7/17/2018 at 7:39 AM, Jaded said:

Honestly we have done everything right by him, including becoming a good team and letting him play his natural game. If he leaves then so be it, it certainly won’t feel like a case of “if only we did better or did more to keep him”. 

Agree.  He's gone through heaps.  Been away from home since he was 16.  experienced perspective forming tragedies.  He's homebound is Jesse.  

[Wilson7 2,474]

10 minutes ago, praha said:

That's not what was proposed. Read it again. If Hogan is worth two first round picks, it goes without saying that a top 2 pick + a player taken at top 2 LAST YEAR is effectively the same.

huh ?  I was replying to deebugs post

[Bring Back Barassi 532]

32 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

He’s contracted and other similar players have been worth 2 picks so that’s what we will get for hogan. Freo are desperate and will cough them up just to get a good player over the line. 

 

I wouldnt be so sure that we will get two first round picks or equivalent. Mahoney and Goodwin have proven themselves to be soft touches when it come to the trade table. They paid overs for Lever and got unders for Watts. Same will most likely happen again

[Redleg 37,473]

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

So pick 5 is already more than we paid for Lever. 

If Jesse is traded, we aren't going to get two top 5 picks IMO. We may get a top 5 plus a later first rounder or players to that value.

We are in the box seat and Freo are desperate.

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2 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Exactly.  My understanding from a club source is that hogan has been groomed as a high half foward utility type and that weideman was seen as the tall forward. Hence hogans up ground time this year and given his aerobic capacity.  

Nuts to trade such a quality player. I dont care who would come in. Goody trades out those who dont fit. Watts......

Hogan is a star.

No one wants Hogan out, but if the writings on the wall that he will be gone at the end of 2019 we may as well get a better deal now.

AND, With Preuss and Gawn we can play two ruckman if one of TMAC or Weed goes down

Edited September 25, 2018 by Lord Neville X Flash

[MurDoc516 1,304]

Just now, SFebes said:

Vince retired, Jones and Lewis in last year of contract, Pedo gone

Whitfield is still a star. Polled most votes for GWS he'll want decent change. Preuss is either getting good change to play in the VFL or been told he's playing. We don't have the cap space for 4 starters, 3 of which are stars.

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Just now, Bring Back Barassi said:

I wouldnt be so sure that we will get two first round picks or equivalent. Mahoney and Goodwin have proven themselves to be soft touches when it come to the trade table. They paid overs for Lever and got unders for Watts. Same will most likely happen again

I think Watts they knew they’d get the player they wanted and lever they knew they were going to have to give up 2 to get him. I’m willing to bet we get two for Jesse 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

So pick 5 is already more than we paid for Lever. 

If Jesse is traded, we aren't going to get two top 5 picks IMO. We may get a top 5 plus a later first rounder or players to that value.

Unfortunately, I feel you are right. No trade!

[MurDoc516 1,304]

1 minute ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

I wouldnt be so sure that we will get two first round picks or equivalent. Mahoney and Goodwin have proven themselves to be soft touches when it come to the trade table. They paid overs for Lever and got unders for Watts. Same will most likely happen again

Via points system we paid pick 7 for Lever. That's not breaking any banks. 

[Demon17 4,531]

42 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Now that is a deal...

The club will not pay what gaff wants. 1.1m

They recognise the need to bring a star studded young group up together a la geelong pay wise. No outliers paywise and the team has bought into this philosophy.

[SFebes 4,692]

1 minute ago, MurDoc516 said:

Whitfield is still a star. Polled most votes for GWS he'll want decent change. Preuss is either getting good change to play in the VFL or been told he's playing. We don't have the cap space for 4 starters, 3 of which are stars.

Well if Hogan goes, that's 8 off this years list, which just took a curveball. Frost may be a casualty here as may Hunt. Agree Whitfield is a star, skillful and fast, would kick Lewis out of his spot perfectly.

[Wilson7 2,474]

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

We are in the box seat and Freo are desperate.

Hope you are right Redleg

[SFebes 4,692]

2 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

Unfortunately, I feel you are right. No trade!

And wait for next year when we will get less for him?

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,267]

2 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

Whitfield is still a star. Polled most votes for GWS he'll want decent change. Preuss is either getting good change to play in the VFL or been told he's playing. We don't have the cap space for 4 starters, 3 of which are stars.

The salary cap is on the rise though... right? Not sure but I think it's + $1m for next year

[dazzledavey36 48,642]

4 minutes ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

I wouldnt be so sure that we will get two first round picks or equivalent. Mahoney and Goodwin have proven themselves to be soft touches when it come to the trade table. They paid overs for Lever and got unders for Watts. Same will most likely happen again

Got unders for Watts!?? 

Kidding yourself mate, this is the same Jack Watts that was told to pull his head in last year only to then get dropped!

We trade him for a 2nd rounder pick which then gets us Fritsch who is a future gun in the making and already showed me this year then Watts ever did.

Oh and did i say that even Port dropped the lazy and pea hearted in Jack Watts this year?

If anything, we got a bargain.

[Bring Back Barassi 532]

3 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

I think Watts they knew they’d get the player they wanted and lever they knew they were going to have to give up 2 to get him. I’m willing to bet we get two for Jesse 

If that happens, I would be very pleased

[MurDoc516 1,304]

Just now, SFebes said:

Well if Hogan goes, that's 8 off this years list, which just took a curveball. Frost may be a casualty here as may Hunt. Agree Whitfield is a star, skillful and fast, would kick Lewis out of his spot perfectly.

a backline of May, Oscar, Lever, Hibbo, Jetta and Whitfield is insane. Don't forget we need room to keep Gus, Oliver, Trac, Gawn, Viney, Harmes, Weids, Salem all at the club when contracts expire.

[McQueen 17,862]

4 minutes ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

I wouldnt be so sure that we will get two first round picks or equivalent. Mahoney and Goodwin have proven themselves to be soft touches when it come to the trade table. They paid overs for Lever and got unders for Watts. Same will most likely happen again

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[Wilson7 2,474]

Just now, SFebes said:

And wait for next year when we will get less for him?

Regardless of what we get for him, would prefer he left this year if he wants out, we don't want players who are half in, half out

[Bring Back Barassi 532]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Got unders for Watts!?? 

Kidding yourself mate, this is the same Jack Watts that was told to pull his head in last year only to then get dropped!

We trade him for a 2nd rounder pick which then gets us Fritsch who is a future gun in the making and already showed me this year then Watts ever did.

Oh and did i say that even Port dropped the lazy and pea hearted in Jack Watts this year?

If anything, we got a bargain.

Yes, it panned out that way, but we could have extracted more at the time if we played hardball

[Engorged Onion 9,224]

10 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

So we have enough money for one big fish + the 800k or whatever a year Hogan is on available. How do we fit May, Gaff, Preuss and Whitfield into that space? Gaff will want a min of 800k himself and then May would be 600k+. Are we paying Preuss and Whitfield in high fives and IOU notes.

on a reflection, quite the fair point you have there @MurDoc516 ...erm, for the love of the red and the blue, and an electricity bill discount?

[SFebes 4,692]

1 minute ago, MurDoc516 said:

a backline of May, Oscar, Lever, Hibbo, Jetta and Whitfield is insane. Don't forget we need room to keep Gus, Oliver, Trac, Gawn, Viney, Harmes, Weids, Salem all at the club when contracts expire.

Thats OK, Jones, Lewis will be gone by then and maybe Hibberd, Jetta also.