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2 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

Why ? 

Because it's the Melbourne CRICKET Ground and we would once again be shunted to undertaking training wherever we could find a patch of grass.

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2 hours ago, SFebey said:

I dont think there will be an Aussie cricket team for much longer after coughing up 481 in an ODI last night, unless you're referring the Bushrangers! 🤣

International, Sheffield, T20 etc

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

True, I have no idea about engineering. 

I guess I took the dialogue so far to mean literally over the Jolimont station.

Given the limitations you mention, is it feasible to build over the tracks to the city end of Jolimont station (and leave it intact)?  Again, in a way that reduces a building's street mass and landscaped into its surrounds. 

The site mooted is the most feasible as it overlooks the only large area of (under-utilised) open space in Yarra Park plus offers street frontage and is not compromised by the mega tram stop in the next block (which would create logistic problems during construction)!  It is offers direct access to train and trams and is only a block from the Punt Road/Hoddle Street bus. 👌

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11 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

Jolimont railway station August 2016.jpg

Great city views from our Member’s Bar/Restaurant (that can never be built out)! 👍

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6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

Jolimont railway station August 2016.jpg

Thanks dc.

As I thought - it is effectively a subterranean station.  

I have checked the heritage listing and Jolimont station is not listed  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heritage_listed_buildings_in_Melbourne#Railway_stations

I can see various options with subways and/or overpassess for cars, rail and pedestrians.  But I guess it will be up to the engineers, architects and lobby groups.  For now, I am simply rapt with the potential of this site.

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4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Thanks dc.

As I thought - it is effectively a subterranean station.  

I have checked the heritage listing and Jolimont station is not listed  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heritage_listed_buildings_in_Melbourne#Railway_stations

I can see various options with subways and/or overpassess for cars, rail and pedestrians.  But I guess it will be up to the engineers, architects and lobby groups.  For now, I am simply rapt with the potential of this site.

Speaking as an architect and land economist, the site mooted does not necessarily necessitate incorporating the Jolimont Station which (although not officially heritage listed) has many charming characteristics. I am sure that the Club has factored in the fact that it could easily be added to the heritage list (by opponents to the scheme) so has purposely precluded that option.

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1 minute ago, CBDees said:

Speaking as an architect and land economist, the site mooted does not necessarily necessitate incorporating the Jolimont Station which (although not officially heritage listed) has many charming characteristics. I am sure that the Club has factored in the fact that it could easily be added to the heritage list (by opponents to the scheme) so has purposely precluded that option.

Thanks CBDees. 

When you say the 'site mooted' do you mean the area I mentioned earlier that is on the city side of the Jolimont station or another part of the rail?  (So far most people have been talking about the area over the station itself).

Agree, it would be a shame to do anything to the station and its charm.

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5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Thanks CBDees. 

When you say the 'site mooted' do you mean the area I mentioned earlier that is on the city side of the Jolimont station or another part of the rail?  (So far most people have been talking about the area over the station itself).

Agree, it would be a shame to do anything to the station and its charm.

i always understood it to not include the station but to be eastwards of the station (buildings and oval)

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2 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

A short stroll up the hill to celebrate a flag.  I like it

We will win one before the facility is available bn!

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9 minutes ago, old dee said:

We will win one before the facility is available bn!

Then we go walk up the hill and celebrate in the construction site, should be started by September yeah?

 

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The location in East Melbourne (Yarra Park) is Wrong.

 

We are trying to grow the club base at grassroots level, and so this location is the last of the 3. I would think.

 

We are aligned with Casey. And we're trying to connect with our original supporter base, which the largest is around Malvern to Oakleigh, Bentleigh, and those suburbs, etc.

we are going to grow out in the Sth East corridor out from Melbourne's suburbs. we will have large prospective numbers of people out there,  IF we can make a direct link Via public transport...

 

Jolimont just makes yet another step in the transport journey, for those prospective supporters to undertake,,, in getting to, and leaving to get home.

We are talking about the reduction of driving to games, and so the location IS Imperative to our Growth_

Location Location Location.

 

We have almost everything right, except the locality of the home base.

 

If we are to attract big numbers of our supporters to training, and to after-games, and functions, our new HQ should be adjacent to the biggest Rail-Line, and with Tram stops present, as well.

It must be at the Richmond station, to attract our support base, and to make it easier for them, getting to, and home afterward.

 

 I say down with East Melbourne  -----  It's just too hard for distant supporters, to make the trip, on another step to Jolimont.

 

__ are we developing Casey, and the Sth-Est Corridor,,,  or Aren't we ?

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23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i always understood it to not include the station but to be eastwards of the station (buildings and oval)

DC that is exactly as it is depicted in the artist’s impression on the front page of the Hun. Completely independent of the station and any associated problems. 👍

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4 minutes ago, CBDees said:

DC that is exactly as it is depicted in the artist’s impression on the front page of the Hun. Completely independent of the station and any associated problems. 👍

Thanks for the clarification.  I don't read HS so was going on this thread...clearly, I missed something in the reading... 

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19 minutes ago, DV8 said:

The location in East Melbourne (Yarra Park) is Wrong.

 

We are trying to grow the club base at grassroots level, and so this location is the last of the 3. I would think.

 

We are aligned with Casey. And we're trying to connect with our original supporter base, which the largest is around Malvern to Oakleigh, Bentleigh, and those suburbs, etc.

we are going to grow out in the Sth East corridor out from Melbourne's suburbs. we will have large prospective numbers of people out there,  IF we can make a direct link Via public transport...

Jolimont just makes yet another step in the transport journey, for those prospective supporters to undertake,,, in getting to and leaving to get home.

We are talking about the reduction of driving to games, and so the location IS Imperative to our Growth_

Location Location Location.

 

We have almost everything right except the locality of the home base.

 

If we are to attract big numbers of our supporters to training, and to after-games, and functions, our new HQ should be adjacent to the biggest Rail-Line, and with Tram stops present, as well.

It must be at the Richmond station, to attract our support base, and to make it easier for them, getting to, and home afterward.

 

 I say down with East Melbourne  ----- It's just too hard for distant supporters, to make the trip on another step to Jolimont.

 

__ are we developing Casey, and the Sth-Est Corridor,,,  or Aren't we ?

Your argument in favour of locating adjacent a Richmond station is a very good one as it is without argument a location which is the most easily accessed by the majority of Melbourne’s rail network.

It brings with it however other problems such as trying to design around the constraints of an elevated rail line and (equally importantly) where do we locate the oval? Perhaps the answer is building South of Gosh’s Paddock (adjacent the freeway off-ramp) however that is probably equidistant from Richmond Station to where we are talking about, swinging the argument back in favour of the Wellington Parade location which is immediately abutting train and tram.

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12 minutes ago, DV8 said:

The location in East Melbourne (Yarra Park) is Wrong.

 

We are trying to grow the club base at grassroots level, and so this location is the last of the 3. I would think.

 

We are aligned with Casey. And we're trying to connect with our original supporter base, which the largest is around Malvern to Oakleigh, Bentleigh, and those suburbs, etc.

we are going to grow out in the Sth East corridor out from Melbourne's suburbs. we will have large prospective numbers of people out there,  IF we can make a direct link Via public transport...

 

Jolimont just makes yet another step in the transport journey, for those prospective supporters to undertake,,, in getting to, and leaving to get home.

We are talking about the reduction of driving to games, and so the location IS Imperative to our Growth_

Location Location Location.

 

We have almost everything right, except the locality of the home base.

 

If we are to attract big numbers of our supporters to training, and to after-games, and functions, our new HQ should be adjacent to the biggest Rail-Line, and with Tram stops present, as well.

It must be at the Richmond station, to attract our support base, and to make it easier for them, getting to, and home afterward.

 

 I say down with East Melbourne  -----  It's just too hard for distant supporters, to make the trip, on another step to Jolimont.

 

__ are we developing Casey, and the Sth-Est Corridor,,,  or Aren't we ?

Yarra Park is a short walk to Richmond station. Would you prefer they do some circle work up and down Swan St?

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I don’t think this project will get off the ground. There will be a lot of outrage, opposition and resistance to turn over underutilised open ground near the city and MCG to a mere football club. The NIMBY jungle drums are already rattling. Other than during sporting events this land is generally deserted during the day and only suitable for late night muggings, rape and murders for anyone foolish enough to find themselves there after darkness. Many of the outrage classes of various leanings prefer to keep it this way. 

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3 minutes ago, america de cali said:

I late night muggings, rape and murders for anyone foolish enough to find themselves there after darkness.

Boo hiss for the victim blaming.

 

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Build a bar facing the platforms at Jolimont so we can taunt platforms full of opposition plebs after games.

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the one aspect i like is the commercial (i.e. revenue) aspect of siting this over the rail-line in east melbourne.

A medical centre (presumably sports med), extensive gym facilities, social club and an apartment complex (possibly other uses too) are all important revenue raising opportunities and an imperative to mfc in lieu of our now extinguished pokie revenue. the location is particularly important for commercial ventures compared with say near gosch's paddock.

it is a perfect location for commercial exploitation,  and importantly the buildings are not on yarra park lands

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12 minutes ago, timbo said:

Boo hiss for the victim blaming.

 

I live 10 minutes walk away and know the area well. I  invite you to take a solo walk there after 11pm to prove you are blameless.

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24 minutes ago, Matt Demon said:

Yarra Park is a short walk to Richmond station. Would you prefer they do some circle work up and down Swan St?

Short walk to the train, in the rain??

Short walk to the train, with little kiddies?

Short walk to the train, with people with disabilities.

Jolimont suits the well heeled, who take taxis everywhere, and do not travel on metro trains.

 

It does not suit the grassroots supporter AT ALL.

 

IF the Victorian Labor Party see this as fact,,, then they will help us to build adjacent to Gosch's Paddock.

 

And we can build over Swan St and the Tramlines,,, more easily than building over the Jolimont Rail line. and cheaper to do except for the apartment building.

The ground floor would be undercover car-park, maybe even 2 levels, one below ground.  So the 1st floor would reach out over Swan Street, above the Tramlines, with viewing over Gosch's.and training. It could have some membership retail area and cafe etc. The floors above, can hold the Gym, Footy Dept,  Admin' Offices, Function Rooms for meetings, Social areas, etc.

A building over Swan Street gives us passing traffic every day of the week to grow ourselves, and so easy to attend, and to leave for home. 

Easy for families.   Easy for every-one along the Sth-East Corridor, who continually get ignored buy the AFL. 

 

Lets own the STH-East Corridor.  We can if we want to.

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It'll happen.  It will be confirmed by the end of the footy season.*

 

*I have no tomato source, just a gut feel.  I can't see us leaking this sort of stuff it we aren't in advanced talks to get it off the ground*

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9 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Short walk to the train, in the rain??

Short walk to the train, with little kiddies?

Short walk to the train, with people with disabilities.

Jolimont suits the well heeled, who take taxis everywhere, and do not travel on metro trains.

 

It does not suit the grassroots supporter AT ALL.

 

IF the Victorian Labor Party see this as fact,,, then they will help us to build adjacent to Gosch's Paddock.

 

And we can build over Swan St and the Tramlines,,, more easily than building over the Jolimont Rail line. and cheaper to do except for the apartment building.

A building over Swan Street gives us passing traffic every day of the week to grow ourselves, and so easy to attenfd and to leave for home. easy for families.

Easy for every-one along the Sth-East Corridor who continually get ignored buy the AFL. 

 

Lets own the STH-East Corridor.  We can if we want to.

Is the Oakleight, Bentleigh (and beyond) corridor demographic suitable to football?

I don't think it's just about going where the people are.

You've got the administrative and exec wing of the club and players too.

 

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12 minutes ago, timbo said:

Is the Oakleight, Bentleigh (and beyond) corridor demographic suitable to football?

I don't think it's just about going where the people are.

You've got the administrative and exec wing of the club and players too.

 

???

Swan street is good enough for the Melbourne Storm, for the Pies, and the Tiges are just a Sand Iron away.

There is enormous amount of footy going public, along the Sandrinham, Frankston and Dandenong, rail lines.

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