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On 5/14/2019 at 9:58 AM, SFebes said:

Collingwood will move back to Victoria Park, Dees will build a base at Goschs, everyone happy. Pert pulled out as he and Eddie have been discussing it, Government funding plus AFL funding the whole thing. The End.

IF Colonwood did return to “their ancestral home” then would not the Olympic Park oval and facilities become vacant ...... I realize it would feel dirty for a while, but ....

In the meantime the small size of our training oval at Goshs could being an issue, surely be modified to match the G with little or no disruption to trees and other amenities. 

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22 minutes ago, monoccular said:

IF Colonwood did return to “their ancestral home” then would not the Olympic Park oval and facilities become vacant ...... I realize it would feel dirty for a while, but ....

In the meantime the small size of our training oval at Goshs could being an issue, surely be modified to match the G with little or no disruption to trees and other amenities. 

It wouldn't be to difficult to do some late night missions to 'adjust' the fence line around Gotch's over a period of 3 - 6 months. Something I hope Pert is planning with Mahoney and the boys as we discuss this topic. 

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11 hours ago, monoccular said:

IF Colonwood did return to “their ancestral home” then would not the Olympic Park oval and facilities become vacant ...... I realize it would feel dirty for a while, but ....

In the meantime the small size of our training oval at Goshs could being an issue, surely be modified to match the G with little or no disruption to trees and other amenities. 

I'm sure we could get a priest, rabbi and imam as well as an exorcist to work together to cleanse the area. Might need some heavy duty steam cleaning as well.

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12 hours ago, chookrat said:

It wouldn't be to difficult to do some late night missions to 'adjust' the fence line around Gotch's over a period of 3 - 6 months. Something I hope Pert is planning with Mahoney and the boys as we discuss this topic. 

It's more than that. The whole ground of Goschs would need to be re-profiled to give it consistent, industry standard camber. As a reference, this oval surface in Royal Park has just been resurfaced and has taken approx 5 mths so far and is still cordoned off with temp fencing while sufficient grass returns.

Which in turn begs the question: have we looked at one of the ovals in Royal Park as an option? Could lease and/or develop Brens Pav or similar nearby as the sports development centre of RP. Could co-use with hockey/netball which is next to the zoo. There are 3 ovals here and 5 off Park St next to the crappy golf course. Thoughts?

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On 5/12/2019 at 5:39 PM, daisycutter said:

i've got a couple of spare shoe boxes if the club is really interested

was good enough for me and my extended family when i was a young 'un

ah, those were the days......but you try and tell the young people today that ..... and they won't believe ya'

Luxury, sheer luxury 

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1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

It's more than that. The whole ground of Goschs would need to be re-profiled to give it consistent, industry standard camber. As a reference, this oval surface in Royal Park has just been resurfaced and has taken approx 5 mths so far and is still cordoned off with temp fencing while sufficient grass returns.

Which in turn begs the question: have we looked at one of the ovals in Royal Park as an option? Could lease and/or develop Brens Pav or similar nearby as the sports development centre of RP. Could co-use with hockey/netball which is next to the zoo. There are 3 ovals here and 5 off Park St next to the crappy golf course. Thoughts?

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I played cricket at brens with parkville cc for a number of years. The local residents (all 100 od them) made putting nets up difficult. Super militant. And rich. Pains in tbe backside.

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1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

It's more than that. The whole ground of Goschs would need to be re-profiled to give it consistent, industry standard camber. As a reference, this oval surface in Royal Park has just been resurfaced and has taken approx 5 mths so far and is still cordoned off with temp fencing while sufficient grass returns.

Which in turn begs the question: have we looked at one of the ovals in Royal Park as an option? Could lease and/or develop Brens Pav or similar nearby as the sports development centre of RP. Could co-use with hockey/netball which is next to the zoo. There are 3 ovals here and 5 off Park St next to the crappy golf course. Thoughts?

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or better still moonie, just move into the zoo. we'd be right at home there

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This subject makes my gut churn.  Every year we see state and Federal govts Hands out money to clubs to build or enhance facilities.  The latest promise is to Geelong again!  What the hell is going on at MFC?  Geez this is infuriating, always the lost and poor club.  I will be long gone before our mob does something on this front.  Why are the MFC so inept!!!

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1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

or better still moonie, just move into the zoo. we'd be right at home there

Not really. The monkeys are able to pass their peanuts to each other without dropping them, or landing them in the lion's enclosure, unlike our inability to handle a footy.

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19 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I love Ding's mock up Gosch's Paddock ideas. Storm and Victory have a perfectly good purpose built stadium to train in.

If we move out of AAMI Park, then they benefit by gaining more internal space. We should benefit from more external space.

Good luck with that, we had a perfect stadium to train at as well, except 4-5 clubs call it home so does cricket and no side is allowed to train on it.

If you get a chance check out West Coast or Fremantle training facilities.  Even Essendon, two ovals ample space Hawthorn is building the same.

We need to face facts, we will not get what we want to keep up with the competition inner city.  I reckon ideal spot close to the City, the ovals along the Monash past Kooyong, starts with the Baseball field, soccer/Athletics, then you have 5 or 6 football ovals along the creek towards Malvern. 

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9 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Good luck with that, we had a perfect stadium to train at as well, except 4-5 clubs call it home so does cricket and no side is allowed to train on it.

If you get a chance check out West Coast or Fremantle training facilities.  Even Essendon, two ovals ample space Hawthorn is building the same.

We need to face facts, we will not get what we want to keep up with the competition inner city.  I reckon ideal spot close to the City, the ovals along the Monash past Kooyong, starts with the Baseball field, soccer/Athletics, then you have 5 or 6 football ovals along the creek towards Malvern. 

Righetti Oval. Was like playing in muddy coal back in the day. 

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Just a thought - I understand that the Elsternwick golf course is to be closed and used for "open space".

It is right next to Elsternwick Park cnr Glenhuntly Road and Nepean Highway; close to Elsternwick station and also trams.

Would that be worth at least exploring?

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On 5/14/2019 at 8:05 PM, daisycutter said:

couldn't the other aami tenants actually just train on aami itself?

There is room on Gosch's Paddock,  for our Mcg sized Oval...  and a Rectangular Pitch (which i would position where Ding had the building in his first image)...  the only difference to how things are positioned right now...  is where does Our buiding fit onto the plot. 

 

That's what I was trying to get Ding's help with,  but he hasn't responded to my description.

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20 minutes ago, DV8 said:

There is room on Gosch's Paddock,  for our Mcg sized Oval...  and a Rectangular Pitch (which i would position where Ding had the building in his first image)...  the only difference to how things are positioned right now...  is where does Our buiding fit onto the plot. 

 

I’d say the most likely area to house the building would be in the triangular space between the freeway, gosch’s  and Punt Road (not big enough) 

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11 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I’d say the most likely area to house the building would be in the triangular space between the freeway, gosch’s  and Punt Road (not big enough) 

That was an old suggestion rumored to come out of the club, wasn't it.?   That could work,  but is a little far from the Station,  in my book.

 

If they shifted the Oval from Ding's placement in his First Image...  25 Mtrs toward Punt Rd...   Then there would be space to build above the AAMI Park carpark,  and the Tringle of land, bounded by AAMI Park's car-park,  the Back-Pocket boundary fence-line,  and the exit loop of the Freeway. 

And a stretch of space Western End of the new Oval position,  up to the Olympic Boulevarde.

 

That area of Gosch's,  near Punt Rd and just Nth of the exit loop, is where I imagine the Rectangular Pitch would be located.   Which would give more exposure to the Melbourne Storm when they're training.

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1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Just a thought - I understand that the Elsternwick golf course is to be closed and used for "open space".

It is right next to Elsternwick Park cnr Glenhuntly Road and Nepean Highway; close to Elsternwick station and also trams.

Would that be worth at least exploring?

Elsternwick Park was my very first suggestion,  way back Mono...  prior to us getting into the AAMI Park complex.  It could make a very very good training complex.  Including the bowls club into some sort of social facility,  incorporating the bowling greens.

We have members at the bowling club.

 

PS"  I would still maintain connection with Gosch's Paddock training Oval as well.   A Gosch's Paddock Complex is better for Pre-games and Post-games. IMO.

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25 minutes ago, DV8 said:

That area of Gosch's,  near Punt Rd and just Nth of the exit loop, is where I imagine the Rectangular Pitch would be located.   Which would give more exposure to the Melbourne Storm when they're training.

If Gosch's were to be our preferred option, we'd simply have to have our presence on the Punt Rd/Swan St corner. 

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6 hours ago, drdrake said:

Good luck with that, we had a perfect stadium to train at as well, except 4-5 clubs call it home so does cricket and no side is allowed to train on it.

If you get a chance check out West Coast or Fremantle training facilities.  Even Essendon, two ovals ample space Hawthorn is building the same.

We need to face facts, we will not get what we want to keep up with the competition inner city.  I reckon ideal spot close to the City, the ovals along the Monash past Kooyong, starts with the Baseball field, soccer/Athletics, then you have 5 or 6 football ovals along the creek towards Malvern. 

If space and inner city location were the key requirements then the Westfield Ovals in Yarra Bend or the Kevin Bartlett Reserve in Burnley  should be considered. (Obviously the second option would have to be re-named.) 

Both spaces are highly under-utilised and are surrounded by bushland so have no locals to upset. That said, it makes them less attractive for a social club to be located.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

If Gosch's were to be our preferred option, we'd simply have to have our presence on the Punt Rd/Swan St corner. 

Do you think the building has to be on the corner ?

 

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Yes...  but the people who control these things won't allow it there,  because Gosch's is predominantly Green-space.   But if its the Oval on the corner,  that should suit the primary use of the land better.

 

If we build down the back corner and also along the west end of the oval I think we could achieve enough space.  The building might also need to creep around past the Back-Pocket along to the Southern Wing.

Essentially we would have one wing of the building,  from Olympic Boulevarde,  along the Oval's western boundary,  joining to the Main building in the Back-Pocket area,  and a further wing of the building, wrapping around the Oval to the Wing position.

 

Where the building meets Olympic Boulevarde,  could be the place for the Demon shop and cafe ?...  and it's just across the road from the Richmond Station.

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