Demons Grand Plan for Yarra Park Training HQ

[Moonshadow 16,109]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Let's take over Carlton!

You have my vote Mr Old

[old dee 22,809]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

You have my vote Mr Old

Well that is it a done deal.

[drdrake 3,035]

All State and federal governments are concerned about is increasing female participation numbers or look like they are trying to do this.  Even the Victory announcement was for their Womens team and academy.  We need to expand our club, the facility needs to include Male and female Football, you need to get the Vixens on board and another group, North was the Hub, Pies I think was VIS and the community running/walking hub for the yarra, Richmond has received funds for the Bashar Hawli Academy, Hawthorn is looking at their facility to have high performance Basketball and Netball.

It is almost turning the clock back 30 years to the old Sports Club model, we started this with Team Melbourne, great concept just didn't gain any real momentum.  

Join forces with the Vixens look at the land near the State Netball and Hockey centre, there is already Football Ovals there between the centre and the Childrens Hospital, think outside the box with something that can tie into the Children and Women Hospital maybe a secondary rehab center that caters for out patients.  Look at a Ronald Mcdonald house as an extension of the facility.  You need something that will not only benefit the MFC but the broader community 

 

[Diamond_Jim 11,676]

20 minutes ago, drdrake said:

think outside the box with something that can tie into the Children and Women Hospital maybe a secondary rehab center that caters for out patients

Like it !!

Perfect counter argument to the save Royal Park brigade

[Dee Dee 1,040]

19 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Certainly looks impressive. However, the main purpose of the lights is to stimulate grass growth on the northern side of the arena, that side where the sun doesn’t ascend over the norther stand  roof during winter. Go to the ground on most winter non football days, as I often do and the lights will be on. Also, because it’s a modular system, sections can be positioned at various points on the ground. I’m told that the system is so successful, the grass grows quicker under the lights than under the sun!

Again as previously mentioned, a further impediment to any notion of using the ground as a training facility.

[old dee 22,809]

27 minutes ago, drdrake said:

All State and federal governments are concerned about is increasing female participation numbers or look like they are trying to do this.  Even the Victory announcement was for their Womens team and academy.  We need to expand our club, the facility needs to include Male and female Football, you need to get the Vixens on board and another group, North was the Hub, Pies I think was VIS and the community running/walking hub for the yarra, Richmond has received funds for the Bashar Hawli Academy, Hawthorn is looking at their facility to have high performance Basketball and Netball.

It is almost turning the clock back 30 years to the old Sports Club model, we started this with Team Melbourne, great concept just didn't gain any real momentum.  

Join forces with the Vixens look at the land near the State Netball and Hockey centre, there is already Football Ovals there between the centre and the Childrens Hospital, think outside the box with something that can tie into the Children and Women Hospital maybe a secondary rehab center that caters for out patients.  Look at a Ronald Mcdonald house as an extension of the facility.  You need something that will not only benefit the MFC but the broader community 

 

Sounds good DrD. However I can hear the howls of " It's not near the G" 

[kev martin 8,821]

Fawkner Park:

Build with The Alfred hospital, sports medicine and concussion specialists department and three level underground car park.

Assist South Yarra soccer, rugby union, cricket club and other sporting groups in the area.

Create social club that can be utilised by hospital staff, patients and others.

Or develope the;

 MCC Albert Ground on the corner of St.Kilda Rd and Roy st. Also close enough as well to partner with The Alfred hospital.

 

[Sorry kids 635]

36 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sounds good DrD. However I can hear the howls of " It's not near the G" 

Very true in relation to womens sport and community participation.  I just do not get the Yarra park proposal in terms of building community. As for the G I still remember the day it ceased being our home ground alone. Long, long time ago. I have also never been clear whether Melbourne stands for that small CBD area or greater Melbourne. Certainly in my day suburban kids well outside the CBD and Collingwood were passionate supporters. Time to move move and create something exciting. If it is done right supporters will follow within a reasonable distance of the CBD.

[Sorry kids 635]

Just now, Sorry kids said:

Very true in relation to womens sport and community participation.  I just do not get the Yarra park proposal in terms of building community. As for the G I still remember the day it ceased being our home ground alone. Long, long time ago. I have also never been clear whether Melbourne stands for that small CBD area or greater Melbourne. Certainly in my day suburban kids well outside the CBD and Collingwood were passionate supporters. Time to move move and create something exciting. If it is done right supporters will follow within a reasonable distance of the CBD.

I do not know how Collingwood got into my sentence. I humbly apologise.

[drdrake 3,035]

51 minutes ago, old dee said:

Sounds good DrD. However I can hear the howls of " It's not near the G" 

Yep guess what, Tullamarine isn't Windy Hill, Where Hawthorn is going isn't Glenferrie, The Glass house isn't Victoria Park, Lathlain isn't Subiaco, Coogee isn't Fremantle, it is a training head office base, we need to move on from the past and find somewhere to build a future

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Perhaps there is a small glimmer of hope, in terms of getting Melbourne Victory out of Goschs. 

https://www.melbournevictory.com.au/news/victory-secures-funding-maribyrnong-academy-site

If they were ever to move, then that area currently used as a soccer pitch, alongside Swan st could be used to build something we need.  The Rebels then can have the whole of the inside of AAMI to themselves for training, and wouldn't need their training ground outside either. 

That little rectangular piece of training ground is easier to move,  than the pathway thru the middle of Gosch's,  g.o.t.o.

It could easily be placed where the  'Oval'  is now,  alongside Punt Rd.

 

Or it could even go to,   https://www.google.com/maps/place/Old+Scotch+Oval,+Melbourne+VIC+3004/@-37.8228071,144.9777385,1247m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x6ad642be8381f843:0xfd59321cdd14bf6d!8m2!3d-37.8227429!4d144.9801151

 

[DV8 2,271]

19 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

IMO members would probably prefer a dedicated club members bar at the G during home games, bit like the Betty Cuthbert bar, level 2 in the northern stand. 

This is the problem of whats been befitting this club for 50yrs. 

It's the inner styled thinking,  of what those who are already entrenched into our existing old culture,  think and feel..  

 

It allows NO room,  for others to grow from different areas around the club,  with different interests to those of frequenting stuffy styled inside Mcg bars,  for liquor,  or some sort of tweed status.

Many would like to meet outside the Mcg,  Adjacent to their transport, on the way to and from the Mcg...  where they can enjoy the feel of the outside world,  with views of park lands,  rather than being Kept inside the  'G's'  cauldron.

An outside facility means the people can sit and or stand and relax having gotten off the train,  and also prior to catching their train homeward.

The opportunity is here for this facility now...  that would suit both training days,  and game days, with us situated on Gosch's.

 

The Mcg is too far from the station,  for those who would like to get comfortable and eat,  drink,  or seek friendly like-minded Demons comapny,  following leaving the ground...  And immediately adjacent to the train that awaits them.

This is where the numbers for growth will come from...  this is where most numbers travel to and from the 'G',   Re our traditional supporter areas and new Casey area...  Richmond Station.

We need to grow the support base from new people,  and eventually new memberships will grow from this.

 

Just thinking of what suits the same old,  same old,  is what has failed us in the past...   Because  'the old'  does not want Any change.

Growth happens from change.  Decay happens from not refreshing, not changing.    We've been decaying for 50 Years...  trying to stay just as we are,  and has been.

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Edited June 3, 2019 by DV8

[Sorry kids 635]

25 minutes ago, DV8 said:

This is the problem of whats been befitting this club for 50yrs. 

It's the inner styled thinking,  of what those who are already entrenched into our existing old culture,  think and feel..  

 

It allows NO room,  for others to grow from different areas around the club,  with different interests to those of frequenting stuffy styled inside Mcg bars,  for liquor,  or some sort of tweed status.

Many would like to meet outside the Mcg,  Adjacent to their transport, on the way to and from the Mcg...  where they can enjoy the feel of the outside world,  with views of park lands,  rather than being Kept inside the  'G's'  cauldron.

An outside facility means the people can sit and or stand and relax having gotten off the train,  and also prior to catching their train homeward.

The opportunity is here for this facility now...  that would suit both training days,  and game days, with us situated on Gosch's.

 

The Mcg is too far from the station,  for those who would like to get comfortable and eat,  drink,  or seek friendly like-minded Demons comapny,  following leaving the ground...  And immediately adjacent to the train that awaits them.

This is where the numbers for growth will come from...  this is where most numbers travel to and from the 'G',   Re our traditional supporter areas and new Casey area...  Richmond Station.

We need to grow the support base from new people,  and eventually new memberships will grow from this.

 

Just thinking of what suits the same old,  same old,  is what has failed us in the past...   Because  'the old'  does not want Any change.

Growth happens from change.  Decay happens from not refreshing, not changing.    We've been decaying for 50 Years...  trying to stay just as we are,  and has been.

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So true. We need young people, families and new arrivals to add to the traditional MCC based supporters.

[old dee 22,809]

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

Fawkner Park:

Build with The Alfred hospital, sports medicine and concussion specialists department and three level underground car park.

Assist South Yarra soccer, rugby union, cricket club and other sporting groups in the area.

Create social club that can be utilised by hospital staff, patients and others.

Or develope the;

 MCC Albert Ground on the corner of St.Kilda Rd and Roy st. Also close enough as well to partner with The Alfred hospital.

 

My God have you ever been there? It is size of a postage stamp>

[Demon Dynasty 15,203]

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Yep guess what, Tullamarine isn't Windy Hill, Where Hawthorn is going isn't Glenferrie, The Glass house isn't Victoria Park, Lathlain isn't Subiaco, Coogee isn't Fremantle, it is a training head office base, we need to move on from the past and find somewhere to build a future

Dr you do realise you will be upsetting many of the 24,000 MCC members who are apparently MFC 'supporters' (half of whom hold MFC memberships) with that suggestion!  Shame on you sir..shame i say!

[old dee 22,809]

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Yep guess what, Tullamarine isn't Windy Hill, Where Hawthorn is going isn't Glenferrie, The Glass house isn't Victoria Park, Lathlain isn't Subiaco, Coogee isn't Fremantle, it is a training head office base, we need to move on from the past and find somewhere to build a future

Spot on

[old dee 22,809]

2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Dr you do realise you will be upsetting many of the 24,000 MCC members who are apparently MFC 'supporters' (half of whom hold MFC memberships) with that suggestion!  Shame on you sir..shame i say!

It was those same people who probably booted us out without a home to go to 50 years ago RN.

Up theirs for mine.

[Diamond_Jim 11,676]

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Yep guess what, Tullamarine isn't Windy Hill, Where Hawthorn is going isn't Glenferrie, The Glass house isn't Victoria Park, Lathlain isn't Subiaco, Coogee isn't Fremantle, it is a training head office base, we need to move on from the past and find somewhere to build a future

but the admin staff may have to travel....

I can assure you there's a lot of admin staff living in Berwick and its environs if our present ones don't want to move !!

[drdrake 3,035]

6 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

but the admin staff may have to travel....

I can assure you there's a lot of admin staff living in Berwick and its environs if our present ones don't want to move !!

Ok on that basis lets move to Casey to keep the admin staff happy, players will crack it but we will have a happy admin team.

[Diamond_Jim 11,676]

13 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Ok on that basis lets move to Casey to keep the admin staff happy, players will crack it but we will have a happy admin team.

They serve lattes in Berwick .

[Demon Dynasty 15,203]

18 minutes ago, old dee said:

It was those same people who probably booted us out without a home to go to 50 years ago RN.

Up theirs for mine.

Haha...last time i saw a response like that was ye olde one fingured Willow salute OD!  It was in their general direction anyway.

[Sorry kids 635]

Forget Yarra Park, I think we would be better suited to the Yarra Valley. Good wine, food, close to the snow . That should make the MCC mob happy.

 

[DV8 2,271]

9 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

They serve lattes in Berwick .

... smashed Avo ?

[old dee 22,809]

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Yep guess what, Tullamarine isn't Windy Hill, Where Hawthorn is going isn't Glenferrie, The Glass house isn't Victoria Park, Lathlain isn't Subiaco, Coogee isn't Fremantle, it is a training head office base, we need to move on from the past and find somewhere to build a future

You forgot one Dr. Richmond ain't in Richmond!

[Diamond_Jim 11,676]

15 minutes ago, old dee said:

You forgot one Dr. Richmond ain't in Richmond!

Believe it or not Richmond proposed moving their training facility to Cragieburn in 2007.

I assume it was to what we now know as Cragieburn Oval... the scene of some JLT games:

RICHMOND is set to adopt Craigieburn as its home away from home as the Tigers look to expand training facilities.
The club is expected to oversee the construction of a top-quality ground in Melbourne's outer north for training and practice matches in a move that has thrilled locals.
A lack of access to Punt Rd Oval during cricket season and the historic ground's smaller dimensions have prompted the 25km move down the Hume Highway.
It is hoped an announcement will be made by AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou when he speaks at a Hume City Council business breakfast next Friday.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/richmond-to-set-up-second-home-at-craigieburn.397751/

And then they threw the cricket club out....

Richmond Football Club will have full access to Punt Road Oval after reaching an agreement with the Richmond Cricket Club that will see it relocate to Mt Waverley.

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2010-10-27/relocation-a-win-for-all