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20 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Brayshaw's disposal was shocking unfortunately.

Since his necessary layoff, Brayshaw's disposal is the next thing in a list to be rectified. He will be a new man and a great footballer when all is done. Learns quickly, too. Onyer, Gus!

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4 hours ago, Stevienic23 said:

By contrast Joel Selwood got to 75 wins in 87 games and on current form Spargo will get there in 75 games 

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I’ve seen stupid and pointless stats, but this takes the cake. As if Robbie Flower’s and Kevin Murray’s legacies have been somehow diminished. Idiotic.

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22 minutes ago, Blinkybill said:

I’ve seen stupid and pointless stats, but this takes the cake. As if Robbie Flower’s and Kevin Murray’s legacies have been somehow diminished. Idiotic.

Stats can't be "idiotic".  Stats are stats.

How you interpret them can be idiotic.

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22 hours ago, No Plan B said:

It doesn't seem all that fashionable to like Jordan Lewis, but I thought he was very good again today and is having another good year. 

He'd be fairly happy with his career move too, he chose us over 10 other clubs, and it didn't really work last year. He would be thinking flag #5 is at least a genuine possibility now.

How was that check-sided kick of his off the Clarry back half clearance that opened up the ground under extreme frontal pressure. Pretty sure it resulted in a goal too.

Thought he was really, really good again. Has been great since the Hawthorn/Richmond debacles, where he kept losing his feet and was out-positioned too often.

22 hours ago, praha said:

Lewis and Vince are both having a very good season.

Vince is mostly horrible. He's done.

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17 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Great win Dees. I love the consistency we are at last showing. I thought a really good all round performance. 

One question....I am trying to work out why with Max dominating the ruck, why we were very clearly beaten in the clearances. This has been  one of our strengths this year, along with contested possession, where we have been almost off the charts. Doesn’t seem to add up. More importantly, what should we do over the next 9 days to make sure it doesn’t happen Monday week where we will be up against a much better ruckman.

They sharked off Max all day. That's how they won the clearances. We're very aggressive at the stoppages and if Max doesn't win it, we tend to struggle on the inside. The pleasing thing was we murdered them on the outside yesterday, which has been a weakness of our for a few seasons. 

I thought we were very disorganised at the clearances anyway. Particularly, early on. 

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Fox I believe take 7's feed. I was right under a camera yesterday and it had 7 all over it.

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12 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

How about 

Sydney.  A 'rush' of bloods

Hawthorn A '[censored] ' of Hawks fans or one on us 

A 'tank' of Melbourne fans.

A Cavell-cade of Gold Coast supporters

A “glory” of Melbourne fans

A “fester” of Collingwood fans

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1 hour ago, A F said:

Vince is mostly horrible. He's done.

?!

Your challenge next week is to watch him entirely with rose coloured glasses and report back. Not saying he’s been great, but I reckon you’ve let a predisposition creep in and poison your perspective.

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1 hour ago, A F said:

They sharked off Max all day. That's how they won the clearances. We're very aggressive at the stoppages and if Max doesn't win it, we tend to struggle on the inside. The pleasing thing was we murdered them on the outside yesterday, which has been a weakness of our for a few seasons. 

I thought we were very disorganised at the clearances anyway. Particularly, early on. 

I've only watched the replay but I thought the Doggies were up and ready and pretty organised yesterday. They would have beaten a lot of sides the way they played yesterday. Not having a decent forward apart from the Wanton Bontom hurts them though. There's something settled and organized about the Demons this year. It's like they've turned a 'mental' corner. Our forwards are basically just very classy...

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24 minutes ago, dieter said:

I've only watched the replay but I thought the Doggies were up and ready and pretty organised yesterday. They would have beaten a lot of sides the way they played yesterday. Not having a decent forward apart from the Wanton Bontom hurts them though. There's something settled and organized about the Demons this year. It's like they've turned a 'mental' corner. Our forwards are basically just very classy...

bulldog disposal was shithouse.  definetly wouldn't beat most teams

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2 hours ago, Nasher said:

?!

Your challenge next week is to watch him entirely with rose coloured glasses and report back. Not saying he’s been great, but I reckon you’ve let a predisposition creep in and poison your perspective.

I don't know what to say, Nash, except that the same could be applied to your post.

But we shall try next week and see what happens.

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2 minutes ago, A F said:

I don't know what to say, Nash, except that the same could be applied to your post.

But we shall try next week and see what happens.

You may be right. The only thing I’ll note is that he’s still in the side - not a bad effort for someone mostly awful.

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23 minutes ago, Nasher said:

You may be right. The only thing I’ll note is that he’s still in the side - not a bad effort for someone mostly awful.

Who would you say would take his place? He's playing games on experience at the moment and a lack of back half depth for kickers.

We're getting away with his iffy kicking and decision making under pressure, but I'm sure Goodwin would much prefer another Lewis.

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4 minutes ago, A F said:

Who would you say would take his place? He's playing games on experience at the moment and a lack of back half depth for kickers.

We're getting away with his iffy kicking and decision making under pressure, but I'm sure Goodwin would much prefer another Lewis.

It’s strange you would ask me who to replace him with: I wouldn’t replace him at all, it was you who said he was awful! But I guess if we’re playing that game, I guess I’d be keen to replace him with anyone if he’s that bad. 

I’m only engaging you at all on this one because I enjoy your posts mate. Normally I just ignore posts that I think are excessively critical (or excessively gushing). Just saying, next week as an exercise, deliberately put yourself in the frame of mind that you’re actively trying to pick his contribution to the team. I just want to know what you see. If you still think he sucks, we’ll agree to disagree.

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22 minutes ago, Nasher said:

It’s strange you would ask me who to replace him with: I wouldn’t replace him at all, it was you who said he was awful! But I guess if we’re playing that game, I guess I’d be keen to replace him with anyone if he’s that bad. 

I’m only engaging you at all on this one because I enjoy your posts mate. Normally I just ignore posts that I think are excessively critical (or excessively gushing). Just saying, next week as an exercise, deliberately put yourself in the frame of mind that you’re actively trying to pick his contribution to the team. I just want to know what you see. If you still think he sucks, we’ll agree to disagree.

Fair. Let's meet back here and discuss next week. :D Let's hope you're right.

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Bernie Vince has played some excellent games as a shut down defender over the past month.  He still has the odd brain fade, but to say a bloke has been 'mostly awful' during the best 6 weeks we've had in a decade is strange.  The fact we've had close to a month of no changes is an indication that no one has been close to awful in that time.

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4 hours ago, Blinkybill said:

I’ve seen stupid and pointless stats, but this takes the cake. As if Robbie Flower’s and Kevin Murray’s legacies have been somehow diminished. Idiotic.

What? Who said that?

All that stat shows his how many losses Nathan Jones has been through to get to 75 wins. When compared to someone like Joel Selwood, who debuted a year after Jones but raised his 75th win in around 2010 or so, it just serves a nice reminder to non-MFC supporters of how hard Jones' career has been. 

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 Vince has been nowhere near horrible this season. He’s been good in most every game, very good v Adelaide. The odd [censored] kick clouds too many people’s overall judgement. Guilty of it myself. 

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3 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

 Vince has been nowhere near horrible this season. He’s been good in most every game, very good v Adelaide. The odd [censored] kick clouds too many people’s overall judgement. Guilty of it myself. 

Yes it’s interesting the way some of our best kicks occasionally have absolute howlers sometimes: Vince is certainly one although generally I think he has been a lot better this year than last; Salem is another. His kicking is a real asset most of the time but has had two or three times when he has tuned it over in the back half through poor delivery and selection.

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9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Bernie Vince has played some excellent games as a shut down defender over the past month. 

 

Let's not forget he's also played some very good games as a run-with players as well (at least once this year).  He offers some versatility.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him run with Sidebottom on the weekend.  

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Another fantastic win - was really proud of the boys how they overcome the early setbacks and just powered away to win comfortably.   

Hopefully, just another game to add to the bielf -  that success is a combination of hard work and a positive mind set. 

Go Dees

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