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6 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

You can be filthy but the "AFL jobs for the boys" landed us Peter Jackson.  As for being on the AFL "leash" it's been a pretty good ride so far.

 

Yeah but PJ wasn't part of the "boy's" club. He was an outsider recommended by the AFL. Wouldn't want a Lethlean type anywhere near our club.

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4 hours ago, Blinkybill said:

I’m far from convinced that the AFL has a monopoly on football management intelligence. 

I trust our current board to make the right decision unprompted by the AFL.

They certainly don't Blinky.

But we've made hotchpotch's the fashion statement of the great north.

 

 I'm glad we have the AFL support over the past 5 or so years, and still now.

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9 hours ago, It's Time said:

This business of the AFL dictating the CEO's of the MFC to the Board is a furphy.

I've spoken to several Board members over the journey who are adamant the Board made the final decision on PJ not the AFL. Demetrio found him and put him forward after being asked by the Board for any suggestions but they had the capacity to go with someone else if they wanted to. Having said that, I'm sure if the AFL thought their choice was bad they would have said something. Luckily for us the Board listened to them.  

Given the footy dept looks very settled hopefully for the next 5-10 years the major job of the next CEO will be ensuring the long term financial security of the Club. First decision which will effect the next 20-30 yrs will be how they utilise the money from the Bentleigh Club and the Leighoak etc. The second will be growing memberships and sponsorships. That is going to require very smart marketing knowledge. Is Mahoney the right man for that?  I'd be guessing de Crepny would be more skilled in that area. 

Maybe after that's all setup you can go back to a footy based CEO for the future transition of the footy dept. 

If the AFL is pulling the strings, no disrespect intended, but board members aren't going to tell you this

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10 hours ago, DV8 said:

Why do we always live in fear of loss at Melbourne.

This is one of the same fears,,, of recruiting blemished talented players;  and of out of contract players on our list. may leave, IF...

 

The same fears carry over, to turn us negative at matches, when things are tough,,, and we have to climb our way back into a game. 

We have to overcome this, just as the players have to overcome their fears and negatives, as they are taking hold.

 

Mahoney will do whats right for him, anyway...  sometimes that "old acquaintance" thingy,  takes too much toll on us all.   And spoils our output.

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Possibly over thinking some of this DV8

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I don't want anyone from Gill's cadre of blow waved twerps near the club. PJ has been at the coal face for years and should know the type of bloke who is suited to the job.

Have always had a bad feeling about McLachlan after reading 'Breakfast with Bails'. If the book is to be believed, he tried to trick Bails into going into a one to one meeting without legal representation. Then at said meeting with Bails' lawyer pretended he was his BFF until the lawyer called BS. Once his charm offensive failed, he then played heavy and threatened to have Bails blackballed from the industry if he didn't play ball.

Always had a bad taste in my mouth about him after reading that.

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3 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I don't want anyone from Gill's cadre of blow waved twerps near the club. PJ has been at the coal face for years and should know the type of bloke who is suited to the job.

Have always had a bad feeling about McLachlan after reading 'Breakfast with Bails'. If the book is to be believed, he tried to trick Bails into going into a one to one meeting without legal representation. Then at said meeting with Bails' lawyer pretended he was his BFF until the lawyer called BS. Once his charm offensive failed, he then played heavy and threatened to have Bails blackballed from the industry if he didn't play ball.

Always had a bad taste in my mouth about him after reading that.

My comments Re board,,, have absolutely Nothing, Nothing, to do with Gillon, AT All.

but the AFL hierarchy.

Gillon is only the face of the AFL.

 

Its the footy people within that organisation, that get the best feedback during the years, that are in the know about footy matters.

They gave us PJ and Roosy.

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1 hour ago, the rolling fog said:

Wouldn't be surprised if James Sutherland now ends up doing something related to AFL.

I would be surprised if he stepped down to club level from running CA, but that would be a real coup if it could be pulled off.

I think it would be coup for James Sutherland rather than for any club that might appoint him.

I've been surprised for the best part of the last decade that Sutherland has remained as CA CEO while that sport has progressively diminished in so many ways. 

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1 hour ago, DV8 said:

My comments Re board,,, have absolutely Nothing, Nothing, to do with Gillon, AT All.

but the AFL hierarchy.

Gillon is only the face of the AFL.

 

Its the footy people within that organisation, that get the best feedback during the years, that are in the know about footy matters.

They gave us PJ and Roosy.

By the way PJ told the story and my interpretation of events, his appointment came about like this:

1) With the club in full blown emergency, supporters ready to revolt,  a senior coach who had painted himself into an untenable position with his players and unable to cope with the heat coming his way and a CEO who had proven himself thoroughly incompetent (who thought it was a good idea to film Neeldy's pre match address before 148 when he was under the pump as much as he was? That is David Brent levels of oblivious), the club sent out an SOS to headquarters for a new CEO.

2) Given the fact that if things continued down the path they were, the club's existence might be at stake, an immediate appointment was necessary. No industry wide searches. No drawn out processes. No waiting for other players to come out of contract. We needed someone the next bloody week. With this as the background, Vlad made the executive decision to recommend PJ. PJ had stated that Peter Spargo directly reached out to Demetriou and he then directly contacted  PJ.

3) Considering the unknowns facing him, PJ committed for six months. Upon seeing how the joint was organized (3 football dept. staff reporting to Schwab, unnecessary staff like CC and other costs weighing the organization down) and the complacent attitudes to the chaos around them, he committed for two years. It would take more than six months to put this dumpster fire out.

It sounds to me that the decision was very much a Demetriou endorsed one and one that was imposed on him by the urgency of the situation. Who knows what might have worked out if the entire coterie of corporate spivs that make up head office had the chance to get their fangs into that decision?

Never forget how bad things were round 2, 2013. @Sir Why You Little can be a little melodramatic at times but he was 100% spot on in those days. We were at death's door and immediate surgery was required to save the patient. An instant decision had to be made.

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12 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

By the way PJ told the story and my interpretation of events, his appointment came about like this:

1) With the club in full blown emergency, supporters ready to revolt,  a senior coach who had painted himself into an untenable position with his players and unable to cope with the heat coming his way and a CEO who had proven himself thoroughly incompetent (who thought it was a good idea to film Neeldy's pre match address before 148 when he was under the pump as much as he was? That is David Brent levels of oblivious), the club sent out an SOS to headquarters for a new CEO.

2) Given the fact that if things continued down the path they were, the club's existence might be at stake, an immediate appointment was necessary. No industry wide searches. No drawn out processes. No waiting for other players to come out of contract. We needed someone the next bloody week. With this as the background, Vlad made the executive decision to recommend PJ. PJ had stated that Peter Spargo directly reached out to Demetriou and he them directly contacted  PJ.

3) Considering the unknowns facing him, PJ committed for six months. Upon seeing how the joint was organized (3 football dept. staff reporting to Schwab, unnecessary staff like CC and other costs weighing the organization down) and the complacent attitudes to the chaos around them, he committed for two years. It would take more than six months to put this dumpster fire out.

It sounds to me that the decision was very much a Demetriou endorsed one and one that was imposed on him by the urgency of the situation. Who knows what might have worked out if the entire coterie of corporate spivs that make up head office had the chance to get their fangs into that decision?

Never forget how bad things were round 2, 2013. @Sir Why You Little can be a little melodramatic at times but he was 100% spot on in those days. We were at death's door and immediate surgery was required to save the patient. An instant decision had to be made.

That's as i remember it as well CBF. 

 

And 5 decades of sub standard football and accomplishments for our club says to me I do not want our board in any way associated with the MCC people apart from working groups.

I do not want MCC anointed board members, running our Mfclub.

 

We NEED footy people... smart footy people, to make footy decisions;  we do not want to be like a cricket club..

 

We need more access to to this club, and to grow the club's support base, & to grow its diverse base... growing towards independence.

 

No more Mcc Apron strings,,,  and meaningless & directionless appointed boards, of pleasant chaps & ladies.

 

Lets get back to Smith or Checker days of lets take the bastards on, attitudes.

 

No more hiding behind aprons.

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Just now, DV8 said:

That's as i remember it as well CBF. 

 

And 5 decades of sub standard football and accomplishments for our club says to me I do not want our board in any way associated with the MCC people apart from working groups.

I do not want MCC anointed board members, running our Mfclub.

We NEED footy people... smart footy people, to make footy decisions;  we do not want to be like a cricket club..

No more Mcc Apron strings,,,  and meaningless & directionless appointed boards, of pleasant chaps & ladies.

Huh?

While there are MCC reps on the board, where have any of the current board displayed any of the qualities that you have listed above? In fact, who exactly on the board do you take issue with? Glenn Bartlett (an old school tie MCC type if I ever saw one)?

Now I am convinced this is dee-luded. Just need a few multi colored letters and different text types, more bizarre non sequiturs (though your Don Pyke thread was a pretty true to form), references to the Northern stand and the social club and the gig will be up.

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1 hour ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

 

Never forget how bad things were round 2, 2013. @Sir Why You Little can be a little melodramatic at times but he was 100% spot on in those days. We were at death's door and immediate surgery was required to save the patient. An instant decision had to be made.

It really was that bad, i hope people can now understand what i was trying to say. 

The MFC was a shell of itself back then. 

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On 6/5/2018 at 12:12 PM, Lucifer's Hero said:

On Footy Classified last night Caroline Wilson gave an update.  She said the club is plugging for Josh Mahoney as CEO but because of our 'financial position' the AFL wants to call the shots.   I reckon that is AFL speak to keep us on their leash.

We may not like what she writes at times but she gets excellent inside info from the AFL.  She played a weekend interview with Goodwin and he sounded strongly behind Mahoney and talked about our succession planning. 

I think she said we have engaged a 'head hunting' firm - not sure if that was to help get Mahoney over the line or to be able to demonstrate due process and good governance have been followed.

At the end of the day, I would like us to control our own destiny and strongly feel our Board should be allowed to choose the best person for the job.   I strongly support the idea of succession planning and promotion from within.

I will be filthy if we end up with an AFL's 'job for the boys' appointment.

I want the best person available. If that comes from within, fantastic, but if it's an external appointment, so be it.

It doesn't bother me at all that the AFL want to closely audit our progress. I don't have any trust in our football club not to [censored] it up again and neither should the AFL.

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7 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

I don't want anyone from Gill's cadre of blow waved twerps near the club. PJ has been at the coal face for years and should know the type of bloke who is suited to the job.

Have always had a bad feeling about McLachlan after reading 'Breakfast with Bails'. If the book is to be believed, he tried to trick Bails into going into a one to one meeting without legal representation. Then at said meeting with Bails' lawyer pretended he was his BFF until the lawyer called BS. Once his charm offensive failed, he then played heavy and threatened to have Bails blackballed from the industry if he didn't play ball.

Always had a bad taste in my mouth about him after reading that.

Best thing I have red this week - outstanding.

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4 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Just on SEN - Stephen Trigg available and discussing he'd be a good fit for Dees perhaps.

A prime example of the jobs for the boys standards of the AFL head office and the industry in general.

Directly involved in blatantly fraudulently hiding extra under the table payments and draft deals with Tippett and gets 6 mths and a recommendation from Head Office that he's welcome into the industry anytime. 

Dean Bailey does something far less significant that many others in the industry did and gets a full 12mths ban and tainted forever. And don't get me started on how Connelly was treated. 

Don't care how good this bloke is. It's a no from me. 

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Just now, Miles from Nowhere said:

An anti-MCC rant might be understandable if the MFC were not a sporting section of the cricket club.  But it is.  And was in the halcyon days of Checker and Norm.

Take a look at the MCG as a world class Stadium. 

I have no problem with the MCC being part of us. 

One of our problems stemmed from leaving the MCC in 1982. 

Both the MCC and MFC can be strong

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Probably out of our price range but James Sutherland's done a better job than his current reputation reflects as the CEO of cricket Aus. Launched the Big Bash, made some big money with a TV deal, done the rounds with the players on a pay deal. Worth a phone call at least to see if he wants to move his office just down the street. The more competition the better.

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