Changes v The Blues

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2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Yeah me too, I reckon Spargo is going to be very very unlucky!

Disagree. This kid is part of the future. He has exceeded expectations and plays.

I thought they might rest Vince but now there is a 7 day break.

I am not an ANB fan and he still makes some shocking mistakes, but that was his best game this year.

I thought the turnover king Tyson was terrible and if Viney is ok there is the change.

If wet maybe Weid goes out for a smaller player, but he is really improving and his assists fantastic. Those 2 quick little handballs were great and probably went unnoticed by many. His ruck work as I have said before is not bad and his follow up is also good.

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11 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I just had a look at the highlights and Harmes sling tackle doesn't look great he may get a week.

What do other people think?

probably a fine as there was negligible impact

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Spargo with 2 goals and some composure and poise deserves a crack at Carlton - let Garlett work his way back in. Can rest spargo against teams like crows if Garlett has form bsvk

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sorry off topic here: where can i find goodwins post match presser? its not on the afl website or melbournes home page

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2 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Whilst I understand what the club is doing with the Weed there’s needs a balanced approach. Currently playing 3 talks up forward gives us a lot of flexibility, so after the Carlton game Pedo should come in for the Weed. Against the Crows we can’t afford any passengers, there will be opportunities later in the year for him to get more games but as it stands he’s not in our best 22. 

 

1 hour ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

I would argue Weid is in our best 22 structurally but is not in our 22 best players. I would be keen to know the difference between Weids kms per game time vs Pedersen. Just because they both can play forward and relief ruck and just because Ped is more accomplsihed at VFL does not directly translate to we would be better this year (now and later) with Ped playing the role. 

 

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I think the Weed will be a player for us in the future but for where we are right now I think Pedo would have more of an impact when we come up against more hardened opposition.

Crashing packs and creating contests is what happens when you’re not marking and converting the footy. Yes Weideman is competing, ( the contested marks against the Bombers/Saints were greaayt) and he also has good 2nd efforts in his tackling. But for mine if he at times is struggling against weaker opposition the club needs to weigh up our opponent when selecting him, hence a balanced approach.

Sorry 'Bombay', agree with 'big red' on this.

Plus will add that Pedders is not an AFL level forward, his best work has been as a running ruck and his ruck work as a relief early in the season was uncompetitive. His ability to at least create a contest had gone off. It's Weideman's spot now and his to lose.

Only injury will see Pedders back this year.

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2 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

I guess everyone is on the [censored] off Vince train this week

Fair point but I dont think its malicious.

 Fine tuning and perhaps looking to the future. His form this year is below his par.

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Ed Curnow to have a 1 week off for maggot molesting.

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Can't see Vince being dropped, the back 7 will stay as is unless/until Hunt or someone else demands a spot. Viney is not a Vince replacement!

Can't see Gawn, Jones, Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, Tyson, Fritsch being moved out of the midfield. Viney comes back in to that group and Fritsch/Harmes play more forward.

Spargo was quiet but he was so impressive the two weeks prior he has to keep his spot. ANB much better and I think he stays as well, his work rate - whilst sometimes indiscriminate - is vital.

So with Fritsch and Harmes spending more time in the forward line it's really one of the talls or mediums who should make way. 

I think it should be Weid's but not convinced. I just think it's not easy being a third tall, he's had more influence in the ruck but T Mc can do that. Petracca not as his best but I wouldn't drop him. Hannan had a bad 6 quarters before a good second half. Melksham is making terrible decisions - he's forgot he can kick 55 easily and is looking for stupid passes - but he's winning the ball. Weid's or Hannan I think.

 

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Tough call, having seen this one live.....In Viney out Spargo or Weid, depending if we go tall or smaller

very little times last night when we had 3 big talls deep, TMac and Hoges both rotated on the ball/wing alot

Salem was really good, as was Lewis, they won a lot of important footy one on one as the Suns charged forward, Vince solid, so no changes down back for me.

Weid is building ok, a luxury to have him build in the AFL. Spargo will be a beauty, but not impacting enough yet, ANB was much much better than him

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2 hours ago, Delusional Dee said:

So you want to keep our co-captain at Casey. Makes sense.

I never said but they are playing completely different roles. 

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15 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Easy this week. 

Out: Tyson

In: Viney

Totally agree. 

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10 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I never said but they are playing completely different roles. 

We have enough half forward/mid types. It's okay.

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

 

 

Sorry 'Bombay', agree with 'big red' on this.

Plus will add that Pedders is not an AFL level forward, his best work has been as a running ruck and his ruck work as a relief early in the season was uncompetitive. His ability to at least create a contest had gone off. It's Weideman's spot now and his to lose.

Only injury will see Pedders back this year.

You’re probably right with regards to injury opening the door for Pedo, I just feel Weideman’s year in terms of development  v output needs to be managed. 

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4 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

I guess everyone is on the [censored] off Vince train this week

I would be ok with giving him a week off to recover and freshen up his old/aging bones, but bring him back in for the Crows game as he usually does a pretty  good job against them and gets under their skin.

Personally I'm of the view that Bernie still has a lot to offer if he is managed right.  Good old fashioned hard, tough, honest player, with a good footy brain and skills to match.

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5 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Hopefully Garlett plays well today.  Back against the Blues next week.  

Spargo out i’d say.  He has had a taste

Not exactly sure what it is (sniff, sniff) but there is something attractive about Garlett being in the team in the forward pocket area in our game against Carlscum ... fit, good form, ready to pounce and hungry ... on our way to a Demon thrashing of the Navy Blues (you know what they say about sailors, don't you?)

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4 hours ago, Redleg said:

Disagree. This kid is part of the future. He has exceeded expectations and plays.

I thought they might rest Vince but now there is a 7 day break.

I am not an ANB fan and he still makes some shocking mistakes, but that was his best game this year.

I thought the turnover king Tyson was terrible and if Viney is ok there is the change.

If wet maybe Weid goes out for a smaller player, but he is really improving and his assists fantastic. Those 2 quick little handballs were great and probably went unnoticed by many. His ruck work as I have said before is not bad and his follow up is also good.

Didn't improve at all this week IMHO and did far less than Pedo did in his last game senior Vs the Lions in Rd 2 after which he was dropped.  I think Pedo is far more impactful in the ruck, because he doesn't get pushed around like Weid does and takes important marks around the ground. That said, I don't think it will hurt us overly to keep blooding Weid against the blues and he and the team will be better for it in the long run.  ...and the coach seems to have a huge man crush on Weid, so I think he is safe.

I'm resigned to Weid being a long term project that probably won't really consistently bare the sort of fruit we'd like for another year or so yet at least.  For whatever reason, I actually found watching Oscar play over the last few years less frustrating.  On that note, I think Oscar actually played his worst game for the year last night without being terrible.

Edited May 13, 2018 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Damo 3,447]

Out Weid in T.Smith - or is 4 kicks a game his "role"?

Out Tracc in Bugg - All tip, no iceberg

 

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13 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

Out Weid in T.Smith - or is 4 kicks a game his "role"?

Out Tracc in Bugg - All tip, no iceberg

 

4 goal assists wasn't a bad return

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The little paper said 6 possessions. I will watch the replay and will defer if 4 of them are goal assists. Brings to mind the hot Chocolate Song "Everyones a winner baby".

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4 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

The little paper said 6 possessions. I will watch the replay and will defer if 4 of them are goal assists. Brings to mind the hot Chocolate Song "Everyones a winner baby".

Most on field. 

I agree we want more statistical impact from him, but the forward line is functioning well; Weid isn't losing contests, and isn't getting in the way of the other forwards. So why change it?

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23 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

Out Weid in T.Smith - or is 4 kicks a game his "role"?

Out Tracc in Bugg - All tip, no iceberg

 

It is mushroom season isn't it ?????

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Weideman is not only taking up space at present but quite often gets in the way. He also lacks confidence in himself around goals - or at least the necessary desire to kick them. He may have a handful of assists (5 for the year) but for most of them should have taken the shot himself.

The last players who I recall being continually excused for their limited input due to their 'role' hitting packs and bringing the ball to ground were Dawes and before him Howe. We may need to get games into Sam, but if his role is just to smash into a contest then he can learn that at Casey or in the park. Also - Pedo is/would be better at that role regardless, and even takes pack marks on occasion.

The other issue we have - Garlett has never performed at Casey so won't make it back in the team on form - such that the coaching dept will have to live with the hypocrisy to bring him back in. Now is the time. He has way too much finishing class to be left out. With Viney back, I think Trac should spend some more minutes finding his mojo again as a forward target.

Out: Weid Spargo

In: Viney Garlett

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26 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

Out Weid in T.Smith - or is 4 kicks a game his "role"?

Out Tracc in Bugg - All tip, no iceberg

 

We have 2 unskilled players in ANB and Tyson already and you want to add another in Bugg.

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I am not arguing Tyson, its obvious he should be switched for Viney. ANB or Bugg wouldnt turn a game probably but Bugg has the potential to, in my opinion.

Petracca is always threatening and then nothing comes from it. But maybe he is also getting the wonderful, magical "Goal Assists".

Do you believe Tracc's safe?

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4 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

I am not arguing Tyson, its obvious he should be switched for Viney. ANB or Bugg wouldnt turn a game probably but Bugg has the potential to, in my opinion.

Petracca is always threatening and then nothing comes from it. But maybe he is also getting the wonderful, magical "Goal Assists".

Do you believe Tracc's safe?

Tracc is safe until he puts in a few shockers in a row and that is unlikely.