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5 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Except the rules of Victoria don't necessarily apply in Western Australia, which is where it happened, and the WA Police Commissioner Dawson has already indicated a reluctance to step into the professional sport arena:

“Physical contact on the footy field is expected. The central issue here is what should be governed by the sporting code and what falls within the criminal realm."

The Saudi Arabia analogy was put in to highlight the stupidity of the original quote. Violence at nightclubs is usually alcohol fueled with a different context

Great point about Victoria v WA!

But the legal contact associated with football is consensual, punching isn't:

 

"In Western Australia, an assault may occur by, for example, striking, touching, moving, or applying force of any kind to another person, either directly or indirectly, without the person’s consent."

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Damo said:

There has been an over reaction to Gaff's stupid punch IMO. I can see the arc swinging back in a day or two to sympathy for the devil.

It is a huge blot in an otherwise stellar career. I think 6 weeks and a genuine apology would see it over.

IMO Gaff should miss the same amount of time lost by young Brayshaw, plus some, for the undisciplined and unwarranted action.

 

4 hours ago, radar said:

What if the punch killed the kid?

still 6 to 8?

What if Miller killed Lonergan ?  accidents do happen, unintentionally ?

 

A kid throws a rope over a branch on a tree, inside the front yard...  he tries to climb the rope, the branch snaps and falls, hitting a pedestrian on the footpath, killing them ?

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Ah the smell of double standards in the morning :

"In 2015, Nisbett said any amateur player who engaged in thuggery should be deregistered, coming after an incident in Perth amateur ranks where a player had his jaw broken. Nisbett said the Gaff case was different.

"This is probably different circumstances ... because we have a process in place the AFL will deal with it," he said."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/highest-grading-you-can-get-gaff-sent-straight-to-tribunal-20180806-p4zvua.html

Almost Trumpesque ?

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Some folks may recall the Leigh Matthews/Neville Bruns incident back in 85. Leigh Matthews was charged with grievous bodily harm by a police officer who was on duty at the match, and was deregistered by the league for a period of weeks. Now this was back in the “tough old days” before all the regulation and ultra-professionalism that followed over the years. One would imagine the same would apply in the current epoch. Regardless of Bradshaw’s wishes, the message it sends to society by banning someone from work for a few weeks for an outright assault is disturbing. Damn the game. It leaks into the popular culture. And that’s the last thing we need more of as a society. He should be formally charged. 

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27 minutes ago, deanox said:

Great point about Victoria v WA!

But the legal contact associated with football is consensual, punching isn't:

"In Western Australia, an assault may occur by, for example, striking, touching, moving, or applying force of any kind to another person, either directly or indirectly, without the person’s consent."

Correct, however that assault law covers many moves in the game of Aussie Rules. Obviously punching a player isn't in those rules, but police will be reluctant to get involved IMO, it opens a can of worms. Eg. Was Cameron's elbow chargeable by police? Wasn't consentual. Hard to know where to draw the line.

I'd rather the AFL dish out harder suspensions for tummy taps,  jumper punches, etc. Despite the howls of the outraged majority, i do believe Gaff wanted to punch Brayshaw's chest and in that split second got it horribly wrong. That's not excusing him, however many body punches get off with a fine and are too accepted by players and the MRP.

Gaff made a massive mistake which cost Brayshaw dearly. He'll pay the price which should only be in supended matches, not police charges. 

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52 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

After missing out on half the competition, they must have 3 mill a year left over to offer him.

It really is getting quite comical with how they are throwing money at just about any uncontracted player now.

I bet they'd accept reeling in a 6-pack ring, just as to 'catch' something from all their casting in 3 years of fishing. Getting rather pathetic.

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1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Correct, however that assault law covers many moves in the game of Aussie Rules. Obviously punching a player isn't in those rules, but police will be reluctant to get involved IMO, it opens a can of worms. Eg. Was Cameron's elbow chargeable by police? Wasn't consentual. Hard to know where to draw the line.

I'd rather the AFL dish out harder suspensions for tummy taps,  jumper punches, etc. Despite the howls of the outraged majority, i do believe Gaff wanted to punch Brayshaw's chest and in that split second got it horribly wrong. That's not excusing him, however many body punches get off with a fine and are too accepted by players and the MRP.

Gaff made a massive mistake which cost Brayshaw dearly. He'll pay the price which should only be in supended matches, not police charges. 

Good points. 

I suppose I draw the line on "football act". Cameron's elbow was horrible and brutal but he was within the rules to attempt to mark or spoil (and contract associated with those acts is consensual), and despite how clumsy, negligent, reckless etc. he was, I think anyone would be hard pressed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to elbow him like that.

Gaff threw a punch. Off the ball.  Punches are never part of the game (unless an attempted spoil, which this wasn't). A push may be consensual in this case given the players were jostling to make position (and that "may" is enough to ensure charges couldn't be laid for that act) but the punch was deliberate.  He looked at him and swung with a closed first. He may not have deliberately hit him that hard, or deliberately hit him in the head, but the decision to punch was intentional. The punch was against the rules and not part of expected play,  which imo would make it non-consensual.

 

Does that explain my position?

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8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Ah the smell of double standards in the morning :

"In 2015, Nisbett said any amateur player who engaged in thuggery should be deregistered, coming after an incident in Perth amateur ranks where a player had his jaw broken. Nisbett said the Gaff case was different.

"This is probably different circumstances ... because we have a process in place the AFL will deal with it," he said."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/highest-grading-you-can-get-gaff-sent-straight-to-tribunal-20180806-p4zvua.html

Almost Trumpesque ?

The Eagles toxic drug culture was under Nisbetts watch.

He seems like total scum.   Anything to win, who cares about the well being of his own players or anyone elses.

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Predisclaimer: this comment does not intend to imply anything and nothing should be inferred from it.

I got the sense that Gus was pretty close to taking a swing at his own brother during our Freo match-up. Does anyone recall any near-miss jumper punches that were thrown?

If anyone thinks I condone Gaff's act, see the first-line caveat.

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8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Ah the smell of double standards in the morning :

"In 2015, Nisbett said any amateur player who engaged in thuggery should be deregistered, coming after an incident in Perth amateur ranks where a player had his jaw broken. Nisbett said the Gaff case was different.

"This is probably different circumstances ... because we have a process in place the AFL will deal with it," he said."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/highest-grading-you-can-get-gaff-sent-straight-to-tribunal-20180806-p4zvua.html

Almost Trumpesque ?

Not almost .... actually trumps Trump by a fair margin

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18 minutes ago, Skuit said:

Predisclaimer: this comment does not intend to imply anything and nothing should be inferred from it.

I got the sense that Gus was pretty close to taking a swing at his own brother during our Freo match-up. Does anyone recall any near-miss jumper punches that were thrown?

If anyone thinks I condone Gaff's act, see the first-line caveat.

Was thinking about that yesterday, young Andrew may be a pest? Seems like a nice kid though. Was he tagging Gaff on the day?

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8 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

Was thinking about that yesterday, young Andrew may be a pest? Seems like a nice kid though. Was he tagging Gaff on the day?

So quietly I intended to imply he may a pest or be acting too big for his boots for a footie freshie.* The golf-buddies connection is a weird aspect. My footy career ended when I punched one of my best mates (after a match) and split my knuckle beyond Medicare repair. It's the first and last time I've ever hit anyone - so I'm not sure if that means it's out of character or not. We got over it though.

*See earlier secondary disclaimer. No, nothing condones Gaff's act. Yes, I'm prejudiced by wanting him in my team.

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1 minute ago, Skuit said:

So quietly I intended to imply he may a pest or be acting too big for his boots for a footie freshie.* The golf-buddies connection is a weird aspect. My footy career ended when I punched one of my best mates (after a match) and split my knuckle beyond Medicare repair. It's the first and last time I've ever hit anyone - so I'm not sure if that means it's out of character or not. We got over it though.

*See earlier secondary disclaimer. No, nothing condones Gaff's act. Yes, I'm prejudiced by wanting him in my team.

The golf round adds a bizarre twist. I just think Gaff had a complete brain snap where he probably didn't even know who he punched at the time, only Gaff would know that though. I don't think he meant to smash his teeth in, I do think it was meant for the chest. Neville Bruns said in the paper today that Gaff should not face criminal charges. I'd love Brayshaw and Gaff at the Dees. Maybe Debra can send her boys home and the Dees will look after them for the next 10 years.

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1 minute ago, MSFebey said:

The golf round adds a bizarre twist. I just think Gaff had a complete brain snap where he probably didn't even know who he punched at the time, only Gaff would know that though. I don't think he meant to smash his teeth in, I do think it was meant for the chest. Neville Bruns said in the paper today that Gaff should not face criminal charges. I'd love Brayshaw and Gaff at the Dees. Maybe Debra can send her boys home and the Dees will look after them for the next 10 years.

If there's nothing the public loves more than crucifying a villain it's a redemptive story. It's rooted in our Catholic past of confession and resurrection. This story will end with an all round feel-good factor when Gus and Andrew and Gaff pose for photos together at the annual Brayshaw Christmas repeat sprint before round one next year.

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2 minutes ago, sue said:

Did I just overhear on the news Paul Roos putting the boot into Gil for being out of touch and something about integrity of the game?  

Yes, On The Couch last night. Roos and Healy sent a few messages Gil’s way. 

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