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I'll beg to differ on this thread. I reckon Gaff is a waste of time. A soft outside player who isn't overly quick. Never liked him.

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He'd be a good get. But it would mean we've gone away from the contested ball identity we've been on about under Goody. Many think we need X amount of inside players and Y amount of outside. Under the current list management structure, they've gone for ALL contested beasts. Even the FF is expected to drift in the middle and clear the ball. So it wouldn't surprise me to see us overlook him, or just not offer as much as, say, the Saints who would offer a first rounder and more for him.

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He is the type of player we need however he is arguably the softest player in the league. 

Wouldn't want to go all out for him IMO. 

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I dislike paying big money for players unless they are really, really structurally useful.

There's definitely an argument for Gaff to provide the blade in a midfield full of hammers, but I'm not convinced it is completely necessary, not to the level of cash it would take to prevent Wet Toast from matching. And we simply don't have the draft picks to make the trade happen.

On another level, all talk of having separate 'inside' and 'outside' midfield responsibilities always makes me nervous, remembering how that mindset so profoundly shaped Terry Wallace's Richmond. Isn't our team mantra something about flexibility?

 

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I've switched sides on Gaff. Didn't want him. However he's playing a lot more inside this season & goes when it's his turn while still providing run & carry. He's not particularly quick but he provides relentless running and makes good decisions with the footy. We need to add this. I'd love Isaac Smith or Jack Macrae but they're not obtainable. Gaff might be.

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10 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

I've switched sides on Gaff. Didn't want him. However he's playing a lot more inside this season & goes when it's his turn while still providing run & carry. He's not particularly quick but he provides relentless running and makes good decisions with the footy. We need to add this. I'd love Isaac Smith or Jack Macrae but they're not obtainable. Gaff might be.

Don’t disagree Gaff has to be a target. 

But our number 1 target needs to be Ollie Wines - Port have bet the farm and at this stage things are not going well. 

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I'll take him. What do we have to give up and do we have the currency given our poor draft position? $$$ could be a problem if we want to keep TMAC which we obviously do.

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10 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Don’t disagree Gaff has to be a target. 

But our number 1 target needs to be Ollie Wines - Port have bet the farm and at this stage things are not going well. 

Bollocks. He is out of contract, not a free agent. Port would demand the world for him.

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2 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

Bollocks. He is out of contract, not a free agent. Port would demand the world for him.

Port can only demand the equivalent compensation to what they are paying him - last year we got Lever for equivalent to pick 5. Wines is probably not quite to the value of pick 5 but it would be close - so easily doable if he nominated the Demons. 

Dont “lock it in yet Eddy” but Port have taken a huge gamble and it’s not paying off yet. 

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4 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

He would top us off beautifully.  

Will also be 27 next June just to add

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On 5/7/2018 at 1:22 PM, DaveyDee said:

Port can only demand the equivalent compensation to what they are paying him - last year we got Lever for equivalent to pick 5. Wines is probably not quite to the value of pick 5 but it would be close - so easily doable if he nominated the Demons. 

Dont “lock it in yet Eddy” but Port have taken a huge gamble and it’s not paying off yet. 

What? How do you figure that out? 

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I'd be more than happy to get him, but the article doesn't reveal a whole lot.

I'd be surprised if he didn't re-sign with the Eagles.

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45 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

What? How do you figure that out? 

He is talking about the points system given to each draft number. Our first round pick last year (pick 10) plus our first round pick this year (say pick 11) minus the second rounder they give back to us = pick five.

PS. I may have missed another piece 

PPS. I’m just happy they reckon we will have some salary cap space left!

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On 5/7/2018 at 6:40 AM, Demon Disciple said:

let's worry about our own signings before we got out and try and lure outside talent.

i agree, but as everyone on this sites whines about how its fine we are on masterchef, surely we can sign our current crop as well as look at outside players (literally) to join the club? i'm sure the club is more than capable these days to juggle some balls..

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1 hour ago, FarNorthernD said:

He is talking about the points system given to each draft number. Our first round pick last year (pick 10) plus our first round pick this year (say pick 11) minus the second rounder they give back to us = pick five.

PS. I may have missed another piece 

PPS. I’m just happy they reckon we will have some salary cap space left!

Or exactly what I said we would pay before the trade went thru ( I even made a bet on this site ) and exactly what Peter Jackson confirmed after the trade went thru.

Adelaide opted for the 2 x first rounders due to the fact this years draft in full of talented SA kids - so no go home factor - and we were more than happy to oblige. Lever was a bargain due to the Crows internal player payment structure - but that payment structure has worked well for them in the past just in this instance we took advantage of it.  

Wines needs to be our priority this year, followed by Gaff as a free agent. I think we will easily have the cap room - Port wont have, but Ollie is very loyal. Gaff think the salary would be similar on either side of the country - just a matter of does he want to come home. 

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On 5/7/2018 at 10:25 AM, DaveyDee said:

Don’t disagree Gaff has to be a target. 

But our number 1 target needs to be Ollie Wines - Port have bet the farm and at this stage things are not going well. 

Inside mids - Jones (2-3 seasons left), Tyson (meh but gets the ball), Viney, Oliver, Petracca (coming), Brayshaw, ANB (more HFF, no silk)

Classy outside mids - Stretch (far from proven), Hunt (more HBF), Salem (maybe).....

I'm on board with Gaff as far fetched as I think it is.  

Let Wines go. We took Toumpas, like we took Tyson.  

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4 minutes ago, mordja said:

Inside mids - Jones (2-3 seasons left), Tyson (meh but gets the ball), Viney, Oliver, Petracca (coming), Brayshaw, ANB (more HFF, no silk)

Classy outside mids - Stretch (far from proven), Hunt (more HBF), Salem (maybe).....

I'm on board with Gaff as far fetched as I think it is.  

Let Wines go. We took Toumpas, like we took Tyson.  

Fair enough - However, in todays game coaches love players that can win their own football - winning the contested ball is everything. 

Funny enough I reckon our position will be strengthened or weakened depending on what we decide to do with Lewis & Vince. 

Fun times ahead.  

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On this year’s form and being exactly what we need, it’d be too good to be true. Icing on the best cake we’ve had in some time. 

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40 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Fair enough - However, in todays game coaches love players that can win their own football - winning the contested ball is everything. 

Funny enough I reckon our position will be strengthened or weakened depending on what we decide to do with Lewis & Vince. 

Fun times ahead.  

agree and look forward to seeing how we deal with it.

Vince has shown form in the last week but I wonder if he's not on his last legs.  Lewis has value, if an on field Hodge type presence over anything else.  At some point we must breed our own team and only poach the panacea we require.

Love Wines, wish we'd drafted him, wanted to draft him.  Just dont see another inside ball winning mid as the priority.

Omac, Jetta, HIbberd, Salem, Lever provide the backbone we need

Hogan, Tmac, Petracca and any number of HFF players make us potent

We are flush with inside mids, we lack delivery

If i can watch a game that doesnt look like me hitting a bad 9iron into the swamp I'm sure we are the difference between 9th and top four.

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On 5/6/2018 at 11:17 AM, McQueen said:

That’s been the common understanding particularly on here over the years...

It is 100% correct. I used to go to the footy (Melbourne matches) with Andrew, his mother and younger brother. All Demons! Father was (and is still presumably) a Tigers supporter.

His younger brother used to be a Tigers supporter too, but changed to Demons. I bet he regrets that !!!!

 

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