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2 minutes ago, old dee said:

Go after Clarkson now, he is the only way this group will win a flag. 

Could not afford it in 2022. (Clarkson's salary plus Goodwin payout)

Goodwin has done more than enough to coach in 2022.

I was not a fan but I am now on the fence.

Too early to think about renewing his contract post 2022

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1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Could not afford it in 2022. (Clarkson's salary plus Goodwin payout)

Goodwin has done more than enough to coach in 2022.

I was not a fan but I am now on the fence.

Too early to think about renewing his contract post 2022

He will be gone by the time we realise our coach cannot take us to the holy grail.

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Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

Had it from an impeccable source that Barassi was deciding recruitment strategies etc at MFC at least one full season before he left North.

Different times but if you were the Pies why not do a similar deal for Clarkson either formally or informally. Sure there's a potential for conflict but it's only 12 months and with care could be managed.

Both the Pies & Blues lists have enough talent to contend for the finals ... not top 4 but somewhere between 6th & 10th (if their talent is utilised)

Bring in Clarkson along with 2 or 3 decent players and either club would probably have a W/L record in the positive straight off the bat

The fact that Brad Scott, Ross Lyon and 1 or 2 other ex coaches are in the mix says to me that Clarkson would supercede all of them.  Or appoint a rookie coach?

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36 minutes ago, Macca said:

He'll get an offer too good to refuse before you know it.  That succession plan at the Hawks may not last very long

Surely the Hawks would have known that in advance yeah?  They can't hope to hang on to Clarko nor can they hold him back.  Contracts are one thing but they are effectively getting rid of him

Money talks and what would Clarkson be worth?  $1.5Million per season?  4 or 5 year deal?  

Or sit at Hawthorn watching the clock?  

Yeah I can’t see him staying past November, Carlton and filth will throw at least 1.5at him plus what ever handshake deals they give him off the records. 

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3 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Nice to see you back to your positive, optimistic, cheerful self old dee!  :D

Thanks ds. Actions speak louder than words. How do you explain losses to teams that will not play finals?

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15 minutes ago, demonstone said:

In two words:  "That's football".

Where were you when we were knocking over Richmond, Geelong, Bulldogs and Brisbane?

Good sides don’t lose to poor teams they lose to other good sides. 
I was here but admiration gets lost among a million adore comments.

Pointing out poor game results is seen as negative.

So be it!

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Upsets happen all the time, od.  If you go back and look at the season's results for any premier, you will find that they have dropped games to inferior opposition.  This is because any team can beat any other team on a given day.

But you've gone beyond mere pointing out of poor game results to extrapolating that to mean that the coach is no good and that we can't win the flag under him.

We may not win the flag this year, but it's premature to catastrophise at this point.

Having said that, we really need to beat Port this week!  

Isn't it great that we've got this forum to discuss such topics with fellow Demon tragics.

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Clarkson will hate being a lame duck coach next year. 

We will need to be delicate and the next 3 months will play a big role in the decision on what we do beyond 2022 - but you’d be remiss in your duty if you didn’t keep a thought to getting him.

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

Good sides don’t lose to poor teams they lose to other good sides. 
I was here but admiration gets lost among a million adore comments.

Pointing out poor game results is seen as negative.

So be it!

Were the 2017 premiers a good side? They lost to Fremantle on the MCG and were whacked by Alan Richardson's St Kilda by 67 points.

Shall we look back at the great Geelong side of '07 too? And countless other examples of poor teams beating good sides? I don't think you have a leg to stand on here historically, mate.

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In fact, based on percentage, this is the most even the competition has been for decades, probably ever.   

Only one team has a percentage less than 80.   Even North who got flogged early in the year are playing not atrocious football now.  Need to keep winning to make top 2 or 4 but really do we care who against? Finals is when judgements on Goodwin ultimately can be made. 

 

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Can't believe posters are talking about flipping coaches. That's crazy thinking, that's MFCSS thinking

Seriously, we are in this, really in this for the first time in my life. Every top side has a slump at some point in a season. This year is a great chance to snaffle a flag, its so even in the top 4 or 5. 

I have seen 40 years of hope, from Robbie's last year, to our GF defeats. And then there was 2018. Each of these I thought during the year we were punching above our weight. Not this year. 

If the worst we have to fix is centre clearances and getting some form into Ben Brown, then we can do it. We've got a very good midfield. Goodwin isn't on his own anymore, the inclusion of Yze and Choco has clearly worked.

While we haven't been in form for a few weeks, lets not forget we beat Dogs and Lions not so long ago. 

At the moment the glass is much more than half full.

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This thread hasn't had a decient work out for a while and that there are people seriously posting about changing our coach at this point in the proceedings is an utter disgrace.

I read an article on the Fox Spots site earlier this week that the MFC has hit a form slump at just the wrong time.  I couldn't disagree more.  We have had such a great run of form and knack of beating all comers to this point that it has set us up in a genuine position of finishing top 2 - 4.  If what we have encountered now could even be characterized as a form slump, I'd rather be having it now, with 7 games to go in the season to correct it and test it against some genuine finals contenders than stumbling around comming off a string of losses come round 22 or 23.

Last season we lost to lowly positioned (but retrospectly in form sides) Freo and Sydney and then proceeded to beat every team we played for the next 11 games straight.  Only time will tell if Goodwin can take this team all the way, but I'm happy to back him and the team of coaches he has around him in at this point over throwing out the baby before it's even [censored] in the bath.

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I look at it this way, we have say a James Jordan (Goodwin) who is young and doing well this year, looking like he is on the rise.

but we could trade him for a Dusty Martin (Clarkson). I would do it in a heart beat.

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16 hours ago, old dee said:

Good sides don’t lose to poor teams they lose to other good sides. 
I was here but admiration gets lost among a million adore comments.

Pointing out poor game results is seen as negative.

So be it!

So in 2018 we were a good side? We beat up on poor teams but lost to other good sides.

Things aren't black and white od, as a vehement anti-Collingwood supporter you should be well aware of that :lol:

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Hopefully Gary Pert has already made some Phone calls

We are only going to get one chance to get Clarkson

I hope too but I seriously doubt it. 

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Are we serious? There is talk among us about making a pitch to Clarko? Now? ?

I remember back in 2013 when the Lions sacked Vossy for reasons similar to this (although the Lions weren't in as good a position at the time as we are now). The word was that Roosy was considering getting back into coaching with us, and his deal was nearly completed. The Lions, not wanting to be beaten to one of the best builders of culture in the game as well as a 'favorite son' (though Roosy has said that his bonds with the Brisbane Lions aren't as strong as they are with Sydney), panicked and gave Vossy the arze lest he win the last 3 or so soft games of the season (which would put him around the .500 mark and would have made him harder to sack.).

Do you know what happened? Roosy, with his deal negotiated over the course of six months basically excluding him from going to Brisbane,  looked at them as an absolute bucket shop organization since they were willing to shaft a GENUINE favorite son and make a pitch to him in such a ham fisted manner. 

Same deal with the Crows when they ultimately signed Don Pike. Our deal with Goody was done and dusted basically when Ricciuto began to put out feelers to Goody.  While Goody probably has warm feelings towards Mark Ricciuto as an ex premiership teammate, there was no way he was going to jump into such an ad hoc arrangement based on an ill concieved approach.

I've only seen this come off once with Ross Lyon and the Dockers, and that was cloak and dagger and in the mix for months prior to it's announcement. If you enjoyed the fracture, incompetence, delusions of adequacy and professional disloyalty extended to employees, players and coaches of our club during the Red and Blue Print era, you will be getting a redux of that should we even momentarily entertain such an obtuse suggestion. If you did enjoy that, the encore should leave you euphoric.

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A bit of a clean up. I was bloody gobsmacked at some of the suggestions.
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9 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Are we serious? There is talk among us about making a pitch to Clarko? Now? ?

I remember back in 2013 when the Lions sacked Vossy for reasons similar to this (although the Lions weren't in as good a position at the time as we are now). The word was that Roosy was considering getting back into coaching with us, and his deal was nearly completed. The Lions, not wanting to be beaten to one of the best builders of culture in the game as well as a 'favorite son' (though Roosy has said that his bonds with the Brisbane Lions aren't as strong as they are with Sydney), panicked and gave Vossy the arze lest he win the last 3 or so soft games of the season (which would put him around the .500 mark and make him harder to sack.).

Do you know what happened? Roosy, with his deal negotiated over the course of six months basically excluding him from going to Brisbane, also looked at them as an absolute bucket shop organization if they were willing to shaft a GENUINE favorite son and make a pitch to him in such a ham fisted manner. 

Same deal with the Crows when they ultimately signed Don Pike. Our deal with Goody was done and dusted basically when Ricciuto began to put out feelers to Goody.  While Goody probably has warm feelings towards Mark Ricciuto as an ex premiership teammate, there was no way he was going to jump into such an ad hoc arrangement based on an ill concieved approach.

I've only seen this come off once with Ross Lyon and the Dockers, and that was cloak and dagger and in the mix for months prior to it's announcement. If you enjoyed the fracture, incompetence, delusions of adequacy and professional disloyalty extended to employees, players and coaches of our club during the Red and Blue Print era, you will be getting a redux of that should we even momentarily entertain such an obtuse suggestion. If you did enjoy that, the encore should leave you euphoric.

Not exactly sure Col but I think you don't like the idea. 

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18 hours ago, old dee said:

Good sides don’t lose to poor teams they lose to other good sides. 
I was here but admiration gets lost among a million adore comments.

Pointing out poor game results is seen as negative.

So be it!

We've been over this old dee.

This is not correct.

And yes, pointing out poor game results is negative, particularly when it's done on an OTT basis, with statements like the bolded that aren't correct, and particularly when we're 12 and [censored] 3.

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