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13 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

On the assumption we have a bad opening 2 weeks, and let’s hope we don’t...

Does anyone else have the thought at the back of their mind that a very early season sacking has the chance to not only salvage our season but to re-write a bit of history, for the better.

Sometimes the best calls are the most brutal of calls. Refer the Wayne SCHIMMELBUSCH/ Dennis Pagan story of 1993 for North Melbourne. Clearly that particular side lead by a super star in Wayne Carey were not able to perform to their peak under the former. A damaging pre season loss saw Pagan come on board and the club became an overnight success story, finishing 3rd that year (albeit did lose their week 1 final) and then prelims and 2 flags from 1994-2000.

I don’t want to get to the point we’re he’s replaced at round 11 and we’re rooted in the bottom 4 and the season is done and dusted.

I’m in favor of making the call early if we make a bad start but I think the board will wait until BB has played before pulling the trigger. From a football perspective absolutely no point in waiting.

I’m not sure how the finances would work though. I imagine Ooze will be elevated and paid accordingly so 2 senior coach salaries for 18 months or so would be a big drain on limited financial resources. Perhaps we could negotiate a settlement or hope he gets picked up as a senior assistant somewhere else next year. By all accounts is contract is water tight so would be due full payment if sacked.

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32 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I’m in favor of making the call early if we make a bad start but I think the board will wait until BB has played before pulling the trigger. From a football perspective absolutely no point in waiting.

I’m not sure how the finances would work though. I imagine Ooze will be elevated and paid accordingly so 2 senior coach salaries for 18 months or so would be a big drain on limited financial resources. Perhaps we could negotiate a settlement or hope he gets picked up as a senior assistant somewhere else next year. By all accounts is contract is water tight so would be due full payment if sacked.

This is the same board that gave him a stupid 3 year extension before a ball was bounced in 2019. I don’t expect them to move early because it makes them look even sillier. The only way he will be flung before the end of this year is if we are Zero - 8. 

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3 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

Remember the talk when he got the gig from Paul Roos - he was being given the keys to a Ferrari and he’d be kicking his lips......

Hilarious. He spent the next two years destroying our defensive efforts.

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3 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

Remember the talk when he got the gig from Paul Roos - he was being given the keys to a Ferrari and he’d be kicking his lips......

And Goodwin wasn’t even Roos’s first choice. It was Stewie Dew but his wife didn’t let him take the job.

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4 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

Remember the talk when he got the gig from Paul Roos - he was being given the keys to a Ferrari and he’d be kicking his lips......

And a year later he had turned us into Suzuki Swift.

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Cannot believe the talk & even “want” in getting rid of Goodwin mid season . If anyone is stupid enough to believe it wouldn’t derail our season you must have rocks in your head or you live in an “alternate world” where you dream that either Yze or Choco are going to “ waltz” in and turn us into a premiership team mid season. Just doesn’t happen!  If we don’t reach our potential end of the year ...have the conversation but don’t have our club go down the path of getting rid of coaches again. For some reason clubs (successful & big clubs) persevered with their coaches & they ultimately got the big job done. It would be so invigorating to have some positivity and excitement going into this season...the chance to see our team live & have some hope. I can categorically say (first hand) that  players are absolutely “fired up” (the ones I have spoken to anyway) . I realise we seem to have the most pessimistic group of supporters  going round (on Demonland anyway) & I’m sure I’ll get the perennial “blah blah” we always hear but I for  one am extremely excited & positive. There’ll be good & bad but I won’t be doing any wrist slashing till at least mid season . Go Dees !!

 

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

Cannot believe the talk & even “want” in getting rid of Goodwin mid season . If anyone is stupid enough to believe it wouldn’t derail our season you must have rocks in your head or you live in an “alternate world” where you dream that either Yze or Choco are going to “ waltz” in and turn us into a premiership team mid season. Just doesn’t happen!  If we don’t reach our potential end of the year ...have the conversation but don’t have our club go down the path of getting rid of coaches again. For some reason clubs (successful & big clubs) persevered with their coaches & they ultimately got the big job done. It would be so invigorating to have some positivity and excitement going into this season...the chance to see our team live & have some hope. I can categorically say (first hand) that  players are absolutely “fired up” (the ones I have spoken to anyway) . I realise we seem to have the most pessimistic group of supporters  going round (on Demonland anyway) & I’m sure I’ll get the perennial “blah blah” we always hear but I for  one am extremely excited & positive. There’ll be good & bad but I won’t be doing any wrist slashing till at least mid season . Go Dees !!

 

 

 

 

If we sack the coach then the season would have already been derailed to have triggered the sacking. Sponsors, suppprters, and even staff may be forcing the club's hand.

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The problem is that we are running out of time

Our older players are just that 

The middle tier are hitting their peak

Weve traded in ready made talent 

If we get off to a poor start and its the same old same old they need to pull the trigger early. 

The absolute worst thing that could happen is we get to the bye at 5-6 and then do the sacking because the back half of the season is much harder and itll totally waste the whole year. 

Must be 3-1 if we want to play finals.

 

Dont forget this is goodwins 5th year.

5th.

In that time we've finished 9th because we weren't ruthless enough and lost winnable games

Had a streak of 4 great wins that included a west coast with no key forwards, a cooked GWS, a cooked geelong and a declining hawks - after we nearly threw it all away by losing to a bottom 6 sydney

A disaster of a year

And then 9th when we lost 2 games we absolutely should have won in freo and sydney (again!)

We have all Australians all over the park

We absolutely shoukd be aiming for a MINIMUM of top 6

If we dont look like that after the first month then changes must be made

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3 hours ago, old dee said:

And a year later he had turned us into Suzuki Swift.

NO THE FERRARI WAS COLLATERAL FOR A BIG BET ON THE NAGS AT MORPHET PARK

HENCE THE SWIFT

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3 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

Cannot believe the talk & even “want” in getting rid of Goodwin mid season . If anyone is stupid enough to believe it wouldn’t derail our season you must have rocks in your head or you live in an “alternate world” where you dream that either Yze or Choco are going to “ waltz” in and turn us into a premiership team mid season. Just doesn’t happen!  If we don’t reach our potential end of the year ...have the conversation but don’t have our club go down the path of getting rid of coaches again. For some reason clubs (successful & big clubs) persevered with their coaches & they ultimately got the big job done. It would be so invigorating to have some positivity and excitement going into this season...the chance to see our team live & have some hope. I can categorically say (first hand) that  players are absolutely “fired up” (the ones I have spoken to anyway) . I realise we seem to have the most pessimistic group of supporters  going round (on Demonland anyway) & I’m sure I’ll get the perennial “blah blah” we always hear but I for  one am extremely excited & positive. There’ll be good & bad but I won’t be doing any wrist slashing till at least mid season . Go Dees !!

 

 

 

 

I don’t understand the logic of limping on til the end of the year because we don’t want to be one of those clubs that sack coaches. Whats wrong with sacking under-performing coaches? He’s in his 5th year. How many years should we be giving this bloke?

Just to be clear. I don’t “want” him gone by mid-season because that would mean we have had a poor season (yet again). I truly believe the addition of chocco and Ooze will make a big difference and sincerely hope they do.

But let’s be honest here, the only reason Goodwin hasn’t gone already is because of his fat contract and the payout involved. If he had been out of contract at the end of this season would you have re-signed him?

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57 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

I don’t understand the logic of limping on til the end of the year because we don’t want to be one of those clubs that sack coaches. Whats wrong with sacking under-performing coaches? He’s in his 5th year. How many years should we be giving this bloke?

Just to be clear. I don’t “want” him gone by mid-season because that would mean we have had a poor season (yet again). I truly believe the addition of chocco and Ooze will make a big difference and sincerely hope they do.

But let’s be honest here, the only reason Goodwin hasn’t gone already is because of his fat contract and the payout involved. If he had been out of contract at the end of this season would you have re-signed him?

NO!

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4 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

Cannot believe the talk & even “want” in getting rid of Goodwin mid season . If anyone is stupid enough to believe it wouldn’t derail our season you must have rocks in your head or you live in an “alternate world” where you dream that either Yze or Choco are going to “ waltz” in and turn us into a premiership team mid season. Just doesn’t happen!  If we don’t reach our potential end of the year ...have the conversation but don’t have our club go down the path of getting rid of coaches again. For some reason clubs (successful & big clubs) persevered with their coaches & they ultimately got the big job done. It would be so invigorating to have some positivity and excitement going into this season...the chance to see our team live & have some hope. I can categorically say (first hand) that  players are absolutely “fired up” (the ones I have spoken to anyway) . I realise we seem to have the most pessimistic group of supporters  going round (on Demonland anyway) & I’m sure I’ll get the perennial “blah blah” we always hear but I for  one am extremely excited & positive. There’ll be good & bad but I won’t be doing any wrist slashing till at least mid season . Go Dees !!

 

 

 

 

I was really enjoying your post, almost starting to feel optimistic. Until I got to the bit about slashing your wrists mid season.

 

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3 hours ago, Better days ahead said:

 

But let’s be honest here, the only reason Goodwin hasn’t gone already is because of his fat contract and the payout involved. If he had been out of contract at the end of this season would you have re-signed him?

Probably not, but last year was as odd as it gets, and 2019 was a year where we had a terrible preseason where a large part of the team had no miles in their legs. Not excuses, but definitely reasons.

I don’t think he’s a bad coach, rather a limited one that thinks tricks that would baffle opponents in the lower league would work at AFL level. If he sticks at the process he might make it, but I don’t think he’s close to being a write off- yet

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12 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Just checking in to see how this thread is going...

All quiet I see 

While you're doing the rounds, maybe tap on the doors over at the Tom McDonald spud thread, the St Kilda have gone past us thread, the Carlton have gone past us thread, and the delist Jordon thread, and the Steven May is an overpriced disaster thread, and the Jake Lever is the worst trade ever thread, and the Tomlinson is a spud thread, and... yeah, it would be a busy night.

Edit:  I forgot the 'Our midfield can't function with Viney' thread.

 

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6 hours ago, DubDee said:

Just checking in to see how this thread is going...

All quiet I see 

I’m a Goodwin critic.

Positives signs but still 20 games to go.

How’s about this. I promise to give him a fair go and won’t jump on here after every loss if you resist the temptation to go with the “where are the Goodwin doubters now” post after every win.

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7 hours ago, DubDee said:

Just checking in to see how this thread is going...

All quiet I see 

You’ve got to be kidding? 
 

ok then, right now, gun to my head - new coach please. I hope it doesn’t get to that but two games doesn’t change the recent and relevant past.

 

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6 minutes ago, rpfc said:

You’ve got to be kidding? 
 

ok then, right now, gun to my head - new coach please. I hope it doesn’t get to that but two games doesn’t change the recent and relevant past.

 

I agree, I would rather see Choco in the seat than Goody. No amount of wins will erase my memory of the game plans put in place by this spud.I believe Choco and Yze have been the difference shown so far this season.

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6 hours ago, biggestred said:

Hes a much better coach when he's on the boundary. 

Can talk to players etc etc

Leave the tactics to the assistants

This.

I mentioned it somewhere on here last year, the team is better when he’s down there with them.

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20 minutes ago, doc roet said:

I agree, I would rather see Choco in the seat than Goody. No amount of wins will erase my memory of the game plans put in place by this spud.I believe Choco and Yze have been the difference shown so far this season.

An earleir comment here noted Goody was better at ground level and leave the tactics strategy Assistants up in the box. By that I assume Yze which I think is great.

I posted last week on the TOG stats and again this week the Dees blitzed it with May, Langdon and Tomlinson at 100%, lever at 96% and Tmac at 93%. Saints not even close. I forgot about Maxxy at 94%.

I think we are now seeing a combination of a few running machines (langdon, Tomlinson , Tmac) and Darren Burgess undoubted impact on overall fitness coming to play now.

 

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On 3/13/2021 at 8:00 PM, 3183 Dee said:

I think the same - it’s the  game to honour Danny Frawley - they will run over the top of us. One of my biggest frustrations with our club is that, put in the same position of a must-win, cultural stakes game, we would end up putting on an insipid show.

 

Never happier to be completely wrong!

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