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On 9/3/2018 at 12:09 PM, Jaded said:

I agree that making finals is a pass mark. Having made finals by beating two top 8 teams in a row, with the pressure of needing to win to make finals, was an excellent achievement and Goodwin deserves a lot of credit for that.

I think if we get absolutely blown away on Friday, then the shine of making finals will be tarnished somewhat. A competitive game, regardless of the result, will be a good outcome and a very positive step towards next year. 

At the end of the day Goodwin got us to finals, which IMO he had to do in order to feel safe going into 2019. I want to see finals success next year, and a push into the top 4. I think we should realistically be aiming to win a flag from 2020 onwards, injury list permitting. 

 

I think falling into finals and losing would have been a fail.
Storming into finals and losing would have been a pass.
Storming into finals and winning a final is a great year already.

We've got a massive ceiling this year though now. No expectation AND no reason we can't just keep on winning.

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I think Goodwin is doing okay. A slight negative is that we did not do the camp. We should have been like Adelaide and did our camp. Fugazi. 

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11 minutes ago, chookrat said:

I think Goodwin is doing okay. A slight negative is that we did not do the camp. We should have been like Adelaide and did our camp. Fugazi. 

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I think the good thing for us and Goodwin is there isn’t the pressure on us that other teams might have. Finishing 5th and winning a final was my realistic hope and expectation, whereas the Hawks who finished 4th are in real danger of going out in straight sets. I feel like we’re playing with a freedom and confidence I haven’t seen since ‘98 and ‘00, and truthfully I think their playing even better. 

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10/10 for the season in the end. No matter what happens from here, it has been a massively important season for us. To make and win a final is an enormously important step on the way to a flag. 

Kudos to him. I’ve had my doubts and he has answered almost all of them. 

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10 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Talking of pass marks doesn't really jive with me.

I'm not in the category of if there is no flag then we tear the club apart or that you can't take some positives out of the year.

We have a great opportunity before us right now. I have seen two separate eras where we have been told that 'not winning this year isn't a huge loss as we are still young'. 

Those second cracks never came around again.

 

Agree - although this team does seem different. This time we've built on a solid foundation of toughness and football ability. Northeys teams were tough but were battlers in the footy sense. Daniher had a very skillful team that went to water too easily.

We seem to have the mix right to be perennial challengers over the next 5 or so years this time. Of course that doesn't guarantee anything, the Saints had similar opportunities and were pipped at the line twice.

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On 7/24/2018 at 4:29 PM, old dee said:

Can we quote you on that ding?

I waited for a respectful amount of time before bumping this as it isnt a gloat.

Sometimes you just need to have faith.

Go Dees.

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3 hours ago, ding said:

I waited for a respectful amount of time before bumping this as it isnt a gloat.

Sometimes you just need to have faith.

Go Dees.

Respect ding!

That is something in short supply in the 21st century glad to see there are still a few that have it.

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On 9/8/2018 at 11:55 AM, rpfc said:

I know what you are saying; this year is so open and I dont see any game we would play as a game we wouldn’t have a huge chance in before getting to the Tigers in the GF. Hawthorn, WCE or Coll hold no fears for me.

Why not this year?

GWS...they're the ones I'm wary of 'rp'.

If they keep injuries in check (notice Kelly now has a knee problem) but does seem an issue.

Will be a very interesting game against the Pies this week, they get through this one I wouldn't be surprised if they make the GF.

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it feels like beating a top 8 side was kind of the last major hoodoo and as soon as we knocked that off the players now fear no one. I can’t see us losing to the hawks and we have the wood over meth coast. A grand final appearance is well and truely on the cards 

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9 hours ago, rjay said:

GWS...they're the ones I'm wary of 'rp'.

If they keep injuries in check (notice Kelly now has a knee problem) but does seem an issue.

Will be a very interesting game against the Pies this week, they get through this one I wouldn't be surprised if they make the GF.

If it comes to it, I'd much prefer GW$ @ the MCG rather than the Tiges. 

 

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3 hours ago, GCDee said:

If it comes to it, I'd much prefer GW$ @ the MCG rather than the Tiges. 

 

Will be much easier to get tickets that's for sure

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Hey @jnrmac, Roosy clears things up for you re playing finals in year 3.

From today's HS: “What we tried to do is pick the right guy to take the club to the next level because it was unlikely we were going to play finals in three years.

Confusion gone I hope.

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3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Hey @jnrmac, Roosy clears things up for you re playing finals in year 3.

From today's HS: “What we tried to do is pick the right guy to take the club to the next level because it was unlikely we were going to play finals in three years.

Confusion gone I hope.

He would say that wouldn't he?

Nice try but you can't escape Jackson 'the saviour' words that the plan was to make finals by 2016. Jackson hired Roos by the way and his task for Roos was finals in 2016.

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

He would say that wouldn't he?

Nice try but you can't escape Jackson 'the saviour' words that the plan was to make finals by 2016. Jackson hired Roos by the way and his task for Roos was finals in 2016.

You can set a goal to do something knowing it is unlikely you will make it.  What actually happened though is that Roos (and Jackson) did a brilliant job in rebuilding the club via the draft for a genuine tilt at premierships.  If finals in 2016 had been the main goal then Roos would have imported way more seasoned talent and traded draft picks, and we'd probably be a basket case today.   

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1 hour ago, Watson11 said:

You can set a goal to do something knowing it is unlikely you will make it.  What actually happened though is that Roos (and Jackson) did a brilliant job in rebuilding the club via the draft for a genuine tilt at premierships.  If finals in 2016 had been the main goal then Roos would have imported way more seasoned talent and traded draft picks, and we'd probably be a basket case today.   

Well said, but some posters don't do logic.

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Obviously, this is just an opinion of a lone poster but I never thought Roos would be in a position to make finals and that he would just set things up for Goodwin.

Last years failure is erased if we can expose this group to a prelim.

The fact I am saying the above sentence 5 years after where we were is simply amazing. It’s hard to fathom.

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Did anyone seriously think we'd make finals in 2016? Seriously?

I certainly didn't. 

Imagine this thread going off if we were so fortunate to beat the Tigers in a couple of weeks!!!! Soooooo many posters with egg on their face!

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3 hours ago, rpfc said:

Last years failure is erased if we can expose this group to a prelim.

I reckon last year's failure has been erased already.

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