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4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Very noticeable change in game plan today. Good selections with Hannan and Melksham doing particularly well, Weideman winning or halving nearly all of his contests and Hibberd a welcome return.

A lot more composure with the ball and we forced WCE to chase us and defend. Was very worried with the WCE overlap running in the last but a few great contests where we wone the ball back and it opened up for us.

Well done to Goody and the players.

And ( I can't believe I am saying this) the umps were actually reasonable - except for the shocking decision on vandenBerg were they got a goal.

1. Using the medium forwards in Melk and Hannan deep to try and isolate Cole and Duggan, smaller defenders not suited to one on ones.

2. Tempo footy at key moments in the 2nd and 3rd

3. Throwing Tommy MC in to the relief ruck instead of the Weid when the Weid was cooked. Tommy made a few mistakes down back (the glory days) but was important around the ground

4. Playing a spare back when Gawn was off. Not sure that's always the right move but worked today.

Disagree on the umps. Thought they started well. Then were inconsistent on holding the balls and holding the man. Eagles got a nice momentum boost in the 2nd and 3rd quarters at times. Then in the last quarter they were equally terrible for both sides which is certainly an improvement in Perth although not a validation. Still very lucky Dom Tyson wasn't called for holding the ball/incorrect disposal 1m out from goal. Nice to see the Eagles boo the umpires off despite winning the free kick count with less possession, more tackles and less contested ball.

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2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

We did play on a lot. I felt we got the balance better with attack and defending. We didn't play so wide off our men so that when they got the ball we were able to shut them down quite quickly. At the same time we were able to get loose when we had the ball. 

Definitely tempo footy at critical times and keeping control. 

Also our defence wasn't so high. We got caught out the back a few times with Ryan and Rioli who are super quick but I suspect they were struggling at times withut Darling and having to shift mcGovern fwd a few times.

It is also a narrower ground than the MCG and so slightly easier to defend the corridor.

So not a whole new game plan per se but a few tweaks designed to counter their keepings off style - where we have been beaten quite a few times this year..

If we can get that balance right we have the potential to be a scary opposition. The ability to go manic all out offence, with the fire power we have (I think West Coast had the third lowest points against before today) combined with the ability to shut the game down with a flick of a switch, control the ball and work hard to maintain possession. 

I agree that we seemed to play a bit closer too, and that really helped keep a close check at turnovers. That has been a real bug bear of mine.

We really pressured physically today,  the way we have against weaker opposition. It was good to reassert ourselves in the clearances again too; we've struggled in this department the last 6 weeks (except the adelaide game). 

Next week will be a really good chance to test out our game at the G again.

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9 hours ago, deanox said:

If we can get that balance right we have the potential to be a scary opposition. The ability to go manic all out offence, with the fire power we have (I think West Coast had the third lowest points against before today) combined with the ability to shut the game down with a flick of a switch, control the ball and work hard to maintain possession. 

I agree that we seemed to play a bit closer too, and that really helped keep a close check at turnovers. That has been a real bug bear of mine.

We really pressured physically today,  the way we have against weaker opposition. It was good to reassert ourselves in the clearances again too; we've struggled in this department the last 6 weeks (except the adelaide game). 

Next week will be a really good chance to test out our game at the G again.

Only the 2nd time this year the Eagles conceded >90 points.

No doubt we have the firepower and can beat any side on our day. Its the defensive side that needed to get better. They took a big step yesterday including their confidence.

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13 hours ago, dino rover said:

Are you kidding i reckon 22 bombs into fwd

Barrass had a field day

Still when under pressure and without another option its to be expected i suppose 

Barass was helped with 5 free kicks....

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13 hours ago, jnrmac said:

We controlled the tempo a lot more. Short chip kicks to keep control of the ball. Make them chase us. Saw very few long bombs to outnumbered contests in the fwd line. Much more one one one to try and stop WCE playing their natural game (similar to Sydney) of keepings off.

Yep definitely. We seemed to have more moments where we would aim to keep possession, its something we've been crying out for all season. Don't get me wrong its great to be going helter skelter like we do but it was getting one dimensional. The ability to keep possession, pinpoint some short passes and control the tempo a bit more was beneficial especially in the last quarter. You do a lot more running as a team without the ball and to be able to play a bit of keeping's off will wear down the opposition. 

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There does remain to be an issue of our inability to defend in transition. For periods in the second half we'd get a F50 entry, get close to making something of it then a West Coast defender would take it away and we'd get sliced down the middle and they would score. It honestly felt like this was happening non-stop for about 5 minutes.

I'm not 100% sure if this is a coaching thing but I do think structures need to be looked at. The high line we play really burns us quite often.

Not trying to pot the coach here I know Lever would make a massive difference here and to be fair the West Coast backline has some serious rebound. 

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Goodwin on SEN.

- more variety in our clearances (Gawns taps a bit wider according to David King)

- We are just focusing on every contest

- at critical points yesterday structures stayed strong, leaders were communicating well

- Selection - DKing:" went with more solid bodies" SG: brought some speed and power back into the team

- we are now preparing for a 'new season' GWS is an important game. Then reset for a big campaign. We are far from done.

- Viney. Traveling 'positively', ramped up his training. Will join the main group at training this week

Plane was delayed by 3 hours. They got back at 3am....

DKing: " Melbourne can win this"

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13 hours ago, Jaded said:

Credit to Goodwin today. I thought he coached very well and I was happy to see him using TMac appropriately in defense to drag McGovern out of the contest and control the tempo when they were coming hard at us

Yep.  Crucial to chop-out our young defenders, who have been shell-shocked for the past month. 

They need de-stressing prior to the finals.

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1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Only the 2nd time this year the Eagles conceded >90 points.

No doubt we have the firepower and can beat any side on our day. Its the defensive side that needed to get better. They took a big step yesterday including their confidence.

We have to maintain possession thru the midfield going forward.

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16 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

Goodwin isn't the right guy. He never was the right guy. The type of football we played today (which was cleaner than usual) is the type of football I expect us to play every week. I think we have low standards around here if we think that just because we play the odd good game against quality sides - that Goodwin gets a pass. For most of the year all we have done is bomb the ball into our forward line. The game we don't we beat a top 2 side on their home turf. That is what our list is capable of every week, but we don't get that. I would love to see a good coach with this list. I think we would be near undefeated. Our own fans underrate our list IMO, and they overrate Goodwin.

Nah, Goodwin is a very good coach.

Melbourne is the most inexperienced team in the top 8 (average games played) and yet they're either one, two, or three in the following categories: contested possessions, centre clearances, clearances, ground-ball gets, goal assists, scores from turnovers, tackles, inside 50s, quarters won, marks inside 50, contested marks, and they're the highest scoring team in the competition. They're actually no.1 in most of those categories.

A young coach with a young team and yet dominant in key stats. You don't achieve those parameters unless you're a very good coach.

Will he be a better coach in year 5 or 6 ? Of course. Like everything in life you get better with more experience.

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Every team "bombs the ball in" during games. When a player is under pressure to take a kick, or there's congestion inside 50, or no one makes a lead, or no one is on an isolated position near goal, there's usually no other option. You can't always "lower your eyes". At least kicking inside 50 tries to win a subsequent contest (something we're good at), rather than losing it outside 50.

Besides, I thought some of the inside 50s yesterday (e.g. to Melksham, Hannan, Tom and Kent etc.) were pretty damn good.

I agree with Pro Dee. The team is developing well. Reactions to Goodwin are just the same as they were to Clarkson and Hardwick early in their careers, when supporters were hopelessly impatient.

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Our Defence still worries me, but we made finals which was the bottom line objective for me. 

GW$ were the walking wounded yesterday, beat them and we gett a home Final

Just Paid the MCC/MFC Premium Membersip...

$914.00

Go Demons....

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On 8/20/2018 at 10:17 AM, jnrmac said:

Barass was helped with 5 free kicks....

Of course he was. But if there is variety in the approach, if you hit up short targets when available, but kick long to the top of the square when it's the best option, what is wrong with that? Finding it v hard to accept the criticism having regard to our percentage. Remember what store Roos placed on percentage when he came to  MFC

On 8/20/2018 at 1:07 PM, mauriesy said:

Every team "bombs the ball in" during games. When a player is under pressure to take a kick, or there's congestion inside 50, or no one makes a lead, or no one is on an isolated position near goal, there's usually no other option. You can't always "lower your eyes". At least kicking inside 50 tries to win a subsequent contest (something we're good at), rather than losing it outside 50.

Besides, I thought some of the inside 50s yesterday (e.g. to Melksham, Hannan, Tom and Kent etc.) were pretty damn good.

I agree with Pro Dee. The team is developing well. Reactions to Goodwin are just the same as they were to Clarkson and Hardwick early in their careers, when supporters were hopelessly impatient.

 

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1 hour ago, Salems Lot said:

paywall :(

Doesn't say much except for Neil Craig rates Simon Goodwin as the best captain Adelaide had and the player who would move on to be the best coach.  Craig was at Adelaide from 1997 to 2011 I think.  A little bit about the pre-season camp debacle and how that can be forgotten now.

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The frontrunning mids is where we live or die. They are so aggressive that it can be overwhelming against a team that isn't up for it but two precise handballs and we are toast.

Goodwin has us going at a top 4 pace for getting tough footy and moving it forward - that's the basis of finals success. The last thing is to have discipline when we have it forward and not over commit and stick to whatever instruction the coaching staff has in mind.

I really want Geelong because I think we will destroy them. They want to kick their way out of trouble and avoid a contest at all costs - we are the contest, and we can dominate them for large periods providing we don't have periods where we just go to sleep and move away from the structure outlined when we have it forward of centre.

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A heads up for those with Foxtel that Goody will be interviewed ‘On The Couch’ this Monday night.

Hopefully it's off the back of another win.

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13 minutes ago, McQueen said:

A heads up for those with Foxtel that Goody will be interviewed ‘On The Couch’ this Monday night.

Hopefully it's off the back of another win.

Here’s hoping. Very good time to get him on the couch. 

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22 minutes ago, layzie said:

Here’s hoping. Very good time to get him on the couch. 

He’ll actually be interviewed in a chair.

They need to address that.

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1 minute ago, McQueen said:

He’ll actually be interviewed in a chair.

They need to address that.

Oh yeah that’s right, the comfy looking single seater. 

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Long maintained that Goody and Roos before him were not necessarily bad match-day coaches but were sticking to a rigid plan - well aware that we have by far and away the best up and coming team in the land.  Noticed a subtle difference in  approach last weekend - indicating that Simon is well and truly up to the job, but has just now taken the sniff as a serious  opportunity.

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Man, this thread goes quite after a win, particularly a win landing us in the finals! Some folks only thrive in negativity.

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