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21 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

Love it or hate it, it's become the main place to discuss the coach, so it should stay open.  

But if we win the flag,  a change to the title is warranted.

"Is premiership coach Simon Goodwin the right guy?"

Three MFC Premiership coaches in our VFL/AFL history - Chadwick (1), Hughes (4), Smith (6) (in 1900 coaches didn't exist) 

Only THREE!

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I had the good fortune to meet David Parkin at the time Jackson appointed Paul Roos. Parkin had been on the Melbourne coaching selection panel and he wasn't delighted that mid process of finding a coach, the Roos appointment gazumped the selection process.

Parkin said of all the candidates they interviewed the one that stood out was Goodwin, as his understanding of building the culture being the lynchpin to long term success impressed Parkin and others on the panel.

While it is easy to reflect after the fact, when you hear the member players talk about team, selfless, team first, playing your role, winning is what matters ahead of personal achievement, you can see that Goodwin has built that culture. Obviously, Chaplin, Yze, Williams, Burgess, Richardson and the rest of the FD have all played their role, but congrats to Goodwin on what he has achieved.

To those who judge success as only a premiership, having supported the Demons for over 50 years, a premiership will be the ultimate success and two more wins will be fantastic and bring untold joy too many Demons, bar one of two sad sacks who seem happier losing. At least we have built a list and team that are in a position to finish top 4 the next 5 years and have multiple cracks at winning a flag. Lets hope we only have to wait 15 days!!!

Congrats to Goody for getting us this far, lets hope we see him lift the cup Saturday fortnight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

 

   

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It really does show, and there are other examples of this, that you can have a great senior coach, but the support around them from the board, GM of footy, Assistant coaches, fitness staff, have to all be the right people for things to work. 

i think we've had some of those, but this season we seem strong accross the board, and it makes sense a 17-4 season has followed

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1 hour ago, Grapeviney said:

Love it or hate it, it's become the main place to discuss the coach, so it should stay open.  

But if we win the flag,  a change to the title is warranted.

"Is premiership coach Simon Goodwin the right guy?"

Can we at least run a concurrent thread called the ‘Is Goodwin the right guy thread hall of shame’?

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2 hours ago, GoD's67 said:

I had the good fortune to meet David Parkin at the time Jackson appointed Paul Roos. Parkin had been on the Melbourne coaching selection panel and he wasn't delighted that mid process of finding a coach, the Roos appointment gazumped the selection process.

Parkin said of all the candidates they interviewed the one that stood out was Goodwin, as his understanding of building the culture being the lynchpin to long term success impressed Parkin and others on the panel.   

Thank you for your post GoD. I've loved Goodwin from day dot and still have a bit of affection for Roos. But I'm curious about Parkin's assessment of Goodwin in terms of the succession model we had in place from the get-go. The secondary job first got offered to Dew (as far as anyone on the outside is aware). Was that Roos' doing alone? Who else on the panel backed Simon, if you're free to divulge? I don't even recall the other members of the panel. 

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4 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Can we at least run a concurrent thread called the ‘Is Goodwin the right guy thread hall of shame’?

I think a 'Is Goodwin the right guy' greatest hits thread is the go.

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6 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

Three MFC Premiership coaches in our VFL/AFL history - Chadwick (1), Hughes (4), Smith (6) (in 1900 coaches didn't exist) 

Only THREE!

Those three are also the only Demon coaches with better overall win-loss ratios than Goodwin.

Two more wins to fill that all-important 'PR' column at the end of the table, which would also give Goodwin our best winning rate in finals.

Aaaaaaaaand there it is, my gut just twisted and I am no longer successfully putting off nerves for tonight. The awareness that 'success right here and now' means being legitimately on the same level as the all-time greats... that's a massive thought and my brain is cooking itself trying to process it.

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8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

That article should be read by the Carlton board...

 

Goodwin kept the players, and that is a pre-requisite for bouncing back like we have.

The biggest catalyst has to be the move by the players to embrace a selfless culture. And that is only going to happen under a coach that implores it.

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6 hours ago, GoD's67 said:

I had the good fortune to meet David Parkin at the time Jackson appointed Paul Roos. Parkin had been on the Melbourne coaching selection panel and he wasn't delighted that mid process of finding a coach, the Roos appointment gazumped the selection process.

Parkin said of all the candidates they interviewed the one that stood out was Goodwin, as his understanding of building the culture being the lynchpin to long term success impressed Parkin and others on the panel.

While it is easy to reflect after the fact, when you hear the member players talk about team, selfless, team first, playing your role, winning is what matters ahead of personal achievement, you can see that Goodwin has built that culture. Obviously, Chaplin, Yze, Williams, Burgess, Richardson and the rest of the FD have all played their role, but congrats to Goodwin on what he has achieved.

To those who judge success as only a premiership, having supported the Demons for over 50 years, a premiership will be the ultimate success and two more wins will be fantastic and bring untold joy too many Demons, bar one of two sad sacks who seem happier losing. At least we have built a list and team that are in a position to finish top 4 the next 5 years and have multiple cracks at winning a flag. Lets hope we only have to wait 15 days!!!

Congrats to Goody for getting us this far, lets hope we see him lift the cup Saturday fortnight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

 

   

That's fascinating, thanks for that. So glad Jackson was around to start a process and then kill it when he got the person he was chasing.

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22 hours ago, mauriesy said:

It's embarrassing reading the first page of this thread again.

Goodwin is just another in a line of coaches (e.g. Alistair Clarkson and Damien Hardwick) who were rated poorly early in their career. I remember some of the vitriol aimed at Clarkson in his first two years when the Hawks finished 14th and 11th. Or Hardwick when they finished 15th and 12th.

And as I recall, early 2008 Cats fans were baying for Thompson’s head. 

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22 hours ago, Skuit said:

Thank you for your post GoD. I've loved Goodwin from day dot and still have a bit of affection for Roos. But I'm curious about Parkin's assessment of Goodwin in terms of the succession model we had in place from the get-go. The secondary job first got offered to Dew (as far as anyone on the outside is aware). Was that Roos' doing alone? Who else on the panel backed Simon, if you're free to divulge? I don't even recall the other members of the panel. 

I can't recall who else was on the panel, but remember Roos did want Dew as he had worked with him at the Swans.

Fortunately we got Goodwin, adding Choco, and Yze to the FD this year has topped things off our coaching group, re a major improvement in skills and better strategic edge. Just heard Craig Jennings mention on the radio that Goodwin recognises there are others better at match day and in match strategy e.g. Yze, but that Goodwin is excellent down on the boundary dealing with the players as he has a great feel for the game and is very calm in dealing with the players.

Only one more match to win for that elusive flag and watching how well the Demons covered the whole ground, I'm feeling very confident this is our year and Goodwin will be our fourth premiership coach. Plus the other factors:

- As like in 64 its a Tokyo Olympics year

- We finished on top like 64

- An incredible leader like in 64 with Barassi, we have Gawn 

- Last night was just fantastic

- and finally to seal the deal - having been a MCC and MFC member forever, the fact all Melbourne supporters based in Melb who would typically get to the GF at the MCG, the irony is not lost on me we're not allowed to go to Perth to see the big game, almost guarantees we WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

GO DEMONS, we've had a terrific year, lets finish it in 14 days time! 

 

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Not sure if anyone was watching AFL360?

They just had Mike Sheehan on there with his Melbourne scarf on. He told a very interesting story about Goody.

He said at the start of the year Mike was down at Sorrento pub and he bumped into Goodwin. Sheehan jokingly said to him that he'll be out playing golf soon because he might get the [censored]. Goody leant over to Mike and quietly and confidently said that if we don't get any injuries we'll win it this year.

Mike was stunned.

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What is it with Iron Mike doing his best to tip over the apple cart with deliberately provocative media commentary before crunch games?

I remember before the Geelong final in ‘18 that he dragged Neeldy out of the woodwork for a sit down interview that set Beamer and Brad Green off like rockets, and now this. 

It thankfully had no effect on us winning that game, and I hope it doesn’t this time either.

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